This is the 12th fake news article from the Telegraph you have subjected us to this month.
If so that's a shame as the Telegraph always used to be one of the better papers
The Headline says 1 thing. The meat of the article (once you get halfway down) says precisely the opposite.
I've read the article, I think the headline is apt, the article covers the fact that the man had been convicted of sexually assaulting a minor, whilst already having convictions for assaulting his wife, assaulting emergency service workers and a previous sexual assault, yet a first tier tribunal judge decided that it would be 'unfair to deport him'. Only near the end does this get overturned by the upper tribunal after the Home Office appealed. I think the gist of the article is that it appears to be very difficult to deport an individual, even the scumbag (as polite as I can be) described in this piece.
Yet again there was a 1st instance decision. Overturned on appeal. With exactly the opposite result of the headline.
I wonder if he's actually been deported, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was still here. Even if he has been deported he'll probably get back in.
30 years ago the Telegraph was a quality newspaper that said things that I disagreed with. But it said them well.
Now? It is a shambles. Sacked most of its journalists. Not a single British taxpayer amongst its owners-who want to lecture me on how to be British.
The Telegraph just recycles the same story time and time again. It is employing someone to look at immigration appeals. Only reporting on the first instance decision after the appeal has been successful-without wishing to sound obvious, wasn't this a story before the appeal, not after?
The only bit that changes is the headline-from the newly irrelevant overturned decision. A change of nationality. Derision about that horrible notion that there should be any consideration as to human rights. And then shoehorn in the foreign nuggets bit. Repeat ad nauseam.
Perhaps they could try some journalism. Some thought. About why it takes so long. Why there is such a logjam. What previous Govts got wrong. Or, for that matter, right. As I've said before Sunak was a vast improvement on Johnson on that score.
There have always been problems deporting people. But these have become a lot worse since the Shamima Begum fiasco. We declared that a British person ceased being British once she assisted others in committing crimes abroad. And now lots of countries are using that as a reason to refuse to take people back.
This is just GB News and like-minded papers giving out false facts, in a bid to boost Robert Jenrick.
The Sentencing council was set up on 2010. Before that, various guidelines were produced by other bodies, such as the Magistrates Association.
It doesn't make things up on a whim. As an example, its recommendations are discussed with a Parliamentary Select Committee. The idea being that tariffs are best set by experts, rather than electioneering by any Justice Secretary/Shadow Justice Secretary. And that clown Jenrick knows this-he has previously worked closely with this body when in Govt.
It is a sad fact that lots of people fleeing persecution lack travel documents. Simply because they have been confiscated by the people they are fleeing from. Or because people are desperate.
To give a simple example, a first offender is always treated more leniently than a repeat offender. But the reverse is also true-why did the Tory Govt not seek to ensure a mandatory 12+ month prison sentence for repeat offenders? They had 14 years in Govt. Lots of Justice Secretaries-including Jenrick.
The Telegraph loves telling lots of stories about people coming in repeatedly. I'm sure I am not alone in having a lot less sympathy for people coming in time and time again. Why did Jenrick not do anything before? 14 years not enough time?
Spouting about whether the traffickers should get life or 10-16 years seems irrelevant. The 1 thing both Labour and the Tories seem to have totally failed to do is actually "smash" the gangs. Lots of words. No action.
Most (nearly all) of the Right Wing conspiracy nut-jobs have left this forum.
Hats off to @Haysie for filling this "void" by providing large amounts of articles, largely devoid of actual facts, by many of the UK's leading fruitcakes.
If Bev Turner is the answer. Then it must be a very stupid question.
Covid denier. Climate change denier. Anti-Semite.
In my defence, I have never previously posted an article from GB News. I also focused my post on information from elsewhere, rather than GB News.
You seem to think it is ok that we got there in the end. I would have preferred it, if we got there in the first place.
I dread to think what the Legal Aid costs might have been? A solicitor at the police station, Magistrates Court, Crown Court, first Tribunal, Appeal. Who knows how many visits on each occasion. All this on top of hotel bills, food, benefits, etc,etc,etc, and maybe driving lessons. Was he actually deported?
This is just GB News and like-minded papers giving out false facts, in a bid to boost Robert Jenrick.
The Sentencing council was set up on 2010. Before that, various guidelines were produced by other bodies, such as the Magistrates Association.
It doesn't make things up on a whim. As an example, its recommendations are discussed with a Parliamentary Select Committee. The idea being that tariffs are best set by experts, rather than electioneering by any Justice Secretary/Shadow Justice Secretary. And that clown Jenrick knows this-he has previously worked closely with this body when in Govt.
It is a sad fact that lots of people fleeing persecution lack travel documents. Simply because they have been confiscated by the people they are fleeing from. Or because people are desperate.
To give a simple example, a first offender is always treated more leniently than a repeat offender. But the reverse is also true-why did the Tory Govt not seek to ensure a mandatory 12+ month prison sentence for repeat offenders? They had 14 years in Govt. Lots of Justice Secretaries-including Jenrick.
The Telegraph loves telling lots of stories about people coming in repeatedly. I'm sure I am not alone in having a lot less sympathy for people coming in time and time again. Why did Jenrick not do anything before? 14 years not enough time?
Spouting about whether the traffickers should get life or 10-16 years seems irrelevant. The 1 thing both Labour and the Tories seem to have totally failed to do is actually "smash" the gangs. Lots of words. No action.
Some purposely hide anything that identifies them. Not knowing where they came from makes it impossible to deport them. Others claim to be schoolchildren when they aree clearly adults. There have been a number of cases, where some offenders have repeatedly entered the UK.
It's the lack of even-handedness that riles me. What is-and should-be the difference between these 2 people:-
1. Desperate man fleeing persecution in some god-forsaken hole pays £20k to gang master to take him to the IK; and 2. Middle class family (mostly in India or Nigeria) pay £20k to a UK University for a temporary study visa. Knowing full well that the person has no intention of leaving the country, and will overstay
Leaving to 1 side my personal feelings about the disadvantaged.
Why are the people in 1 above demonised and treated as criminals, while The much larger group in 2 are never treated as criminals and people just allow this abuse?
I am unaware of any overstayer being imprisoned. No action ever taken against their sponsor No-one suggesting mandatory 12 month prison sentences for the people who have choices. Just the desperate.
It's the lack of even-handedness that riles me. What is-and should-be the difference between these 2 people:-
1. Desperate man fleeing persecution in some god-forsaken hole pays £20k to gang master to take him to the IK; and 2. Middle class family (mostly in India or Nigeria) pay £20k to a UK University for a temporary study visa. Knowing full well that the person has no intention of leaving the country, and will overstay
Leaving to 1 side my personal feelings about the disadvantaged.
Why are the people in 1 above demonised and treated as criminals, while The much larger group in 2 are never treated as criminals and people just allow this abuse?
I am unaware of any overstayer being imprisoned. No action ever taken against their sponsor No-one suggesting mandatory 12 month prison sentences for the people who have choices. Just the desperate.
The whole system has not been fit for purpose for many years. There does not seem to be a will to resolve this. The Labour Party is getting terrible sh1t for cutting back on benefits. Yet the hotel bills dwarf the savings.
We employ and pay people to find illegals that are working. If they catch one, they say they havent got a passport. They are then bailed, and disappear. If the same people are subsequently caught again, we are content to follow the same process. It is a joke.
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Now? It is a shambles. Sacked most of its journalists. Not a single British taxpayer amongst its owners-who want to lecture me on how to be British.
The Telegraph just recycles the same story time and time again. It is employing someone to look at immigration appeals. Only reporting on the first instance decision after the appeal has been successful-without wishing to sound obvious, wasn't this a story before the appeal, not after?
The only bit that changes is the headline-from the newly irrelevant overturned decision. A change of nationality. Derision about that horrible notion that there should be any consideration as to human rights. And then shoehorn in the foreign nuggets bit. Repeat ad nauseam.
Perhaps they could try some journalism. Some thought. About why it takes so long. Why there is such a logjam. What previous Govts got wrong. Or, for that matter, right. As I've said before Sunak was a vast improvement on Johnson on that score.
There have always been problems deporting people. But these have become a lot worse since the Shamima Begum fiasco. We declared that a British person ceased being British once she assisted others in committing crimes abroad. And now lots of countries are using that as a reason to refuse to take people back.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madness-illegal-immigrants-dodge-deportation-after-two-tier-sentencing-council-blows-hole-through-border-enforcement/ar-AA1BIBwU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=59ad89f844e24e45a30074a577c8402c&ei=13#fullscreen
This is just GB News and like-minded papers giving out false facts, in a bid to boost Robert Jenrick.
The Sentencing council was set up on 2010. Before that, various guidelines were produced by other bodies, such as the Magistrates Association.
It doesn't make things up on a whim. As an example, its recommendations are discussed with a Parliamentary Select Committee. The idea being that tariffs are best set by experts, rather than electioneering by any Justice Secretary/Shadow Justice Secretary. And that clown Jenrick knows this-he has previously worked closely with this body when in Govt.
It is a sad fact that lots of people fleeing persecution lack travel documents. Simply because they have been confiscated by the people they are fleeing from. Or because people are desperate.
To give a simple example, a first offender is always treated more leniently than a repeat offender. But the reverse is also true-why did the Tory Govt not seek to ensure a mandatory 12+ month prison sentence for repeat offenders? They had 14 years in Govt. Lots of Justice Secretaries-including Jenrick.
The Telegraph loves telling lots of stories about people coming in repeatedly. I'm sure I am not alone in having a lot less sympathy for people coming in time and time again. Why did Jenrick not do anything before? 14 years not enough time?
Spouting about whether the traffickers should get life or 10-16 years seems irrelevant. The 1 thing both Labour and the Tories seem to have totally failed to do is actually "smash" the gangs. Lots of words. No action.
I also focused my post on information from elsewhere, rather than GB News.
You seem to think it is ok that we got there in the end.
I would have preferred it, if we got there in the first place.
I dread to think what the Legal Aid costs might have been?
A solicitor at the police station, Magistrates Court, Crown Court, first Tribunal, Appeal.
Who knows how many visits on each occasion.
All this on top of hotel bills, food, benefits, etc,etc,etc, and maybe driving lessons.
Was he actually deported?
Not knowing where they came from makes it impossible to deport them.
Others claim to be schoolchildren when they aree clearly adults.
There have been a number of cases, where some offenders have repeatedly entered the UK.
1. Desperate man fleeing persecution in some god-forsaken hole pays £20k to gang master to take him to the IK; and
2. Middle class family (mostly in India or Nigeria) pay £20k to a UK University for a temporary study visa. Knowing full well that the person has no intention of leaving the country, and will overstay
Leaving to 1 side my personal feelings about the disadvantaged.
Why are the people in 1 above demonised and treated as criminals, while
The much larger group in 2 are never treated as criminals and people just allow this abuse?
I am unaware of any overstayer being imprisoned.
No action ever taken against their sponsor
No-one suggesting mandatory 12 month prison sentences for the people who have choices. Just the desperate.
There does not seem to be a will to resolve this.
The Labour Party is getting terrible sh1t for cutting back on benefits.
Yet the hotel bills dwarf the savings.
We employ and pay people to find illegals that are working.
If they catch one, they say they havent got a passport.
They are then bailed, and disappear.
If the same people are subsequently caught again, we are content to follow the same process.
It is a joke.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/bulgarian-heart-britain-biggest-benefit-110000580.html
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/british-taxpayers-foot-100k-private-162436246.html
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/extra-1bn-aid-stealth-cut-means-more-than-half-will-be-spent-on-asylum-crisis/ar-AA1Ca2xB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=91706d33316d4ca1b116f27e04de32dc&ei=97#fullscreen