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Why is Labour getting bolder on Europe? It knows even leave voters can now see the benefits

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
    HAYSIE said:

    Then of course you have got the stuff going the other way.
    If you had a company based in Ireland, you could open a subsidiary in NI.
    So you could import tariff free into Ireland from the EU.
    You could import tariff free into NI from USA.
    You could interchange the goods over the non-existent border.
    Not only that, you could export EU goods tariff free to the USA, from NI.
    And goods that originated in the USA, tariff free, into the EU, from Ireland.
    I think that Trump will demand the agricultural stuff, which will put Starmer in a very tough spot.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
    Essexphil said:

    Fascinating question.

    My take is that this is a watershed moment for the island of Ireland. Not us.

    The USA is not a particularly important market for Great Britain. When it comes to goods, our imports/exports are about level. something relatively unusual for both the UK and US.

    While there is a political reason to do a trade deal with the US, logically it cannot come at the cost of damaging trade with the EU-who are geographically and economically far closer to us.

    The same cannot be said for Ireland. Whose economic ties to the US are (in relation to its GDP) far greater. And it is a Member of the EU. Added to that, it wants increasing influence over Northern Ireland.

    The UK will probably seek to do a trade deal that avoids agricultural products. Because if it did not that would mean catastrophe for Farmers.
    Forget soft Brexit if you strike trade deal with Trump, EU insiders warn Starmer


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/forget-soft-brexit-if-you-strike-trade-deal-with-trump-eu-insiders-warn-starmer/ar-AA1CYEfv?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=7ab59f8cb2ef41ee870f22f0339def72&ei=16
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
    Donald Trump says there will '100% be a trade deal' with Europe after meeting with Giorgia Meloni


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-says-100-trade-183302774.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
    HAYSIE said:

    Then of course you have got the stuff going the other way.
    If you had a company based in Ireland, you could open a subsidiary in NI.
    So you could import tariff free into Ireland from the EU.
    You could import tariff free into NI from USA.
    You could interchange the goods over the non-existent border.
    Not only that, you could export EU goods tariff free to the USA, from NI.
    And goods that originated in the USA, tariff free, into the EU, from Ireland.
    Assuming that Trump does a trade deal with the EU, and that it is likely to be a better deal than we could negotiate alone.
    Would that mean that re-joining the EU becomes a much more attractive proposition, than a US trade deal, as well as solving many NI issues.
    It might also be wise to consider how likely any deal with Trump might last, as he seems to change his mind almost on a daily basis.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
    Essexphil said:

    Fascinating question.

    My take is that this is a watershed moment for the island of Ireland. Not us.

    The USA is not a particularly important market for Great Britain. When it comes to goods, our imports/exports are about level. something relatively unusual for both the UK and US.

    While there is a political reason to do a trade deal with the US, logically it cannot come at the cost of damaging trade with the EU-who are geographically and economically far closer to us.

    The same cannot be said for Ireland. Whose economic ties to the US are (in relation to its GDP) far greater. And it is a Member of the EU. Added to that, it wants increasing influence over Northern Ireland.

    The UK will probably seek to do a trade deal that avoids agricultural products. Because if it did not that would mean catastrophe for Farmers.
    Blow for Starmer as Trump says 'baseline' tariffs to stay


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/blow-for-starmer-as-trump-says-baseline-tariffs-to-stay/ss-AA1DbF92?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=3147cf8d90604298b32d18c070c70711&ei=42
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,924
    Essexphil said:

    Fascinating question.

    My take is that this is a watershed moment for the island of Ireland. Not us.

    The USA is not a particularly important market for Great Britain. When it comes to goods, our imports/exports are about level. something relatively unusual for both the UK and US.

    While there is a political reason to do a trade deal with the US, logically it cannot come at the cost of damaging trade with the EU-who are geographically and economically far closer to us.

    The same cannot be said for Ireland. Whose economic ties to the US are (in relation to its GDP) far greater. And it is a Member of the EU. Added to that, it wants increasing influence over Northern Ireland.

    The UK will probably seek to do a trade deal that avoids agricultural products. Because if it did not that would mean catastrophe for Farmers.
    US trade deal 'possible' but not 'certain', says senior minister


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/us-trade-deal-possible-but-not-certain-says-senior-minister/ar-AA1DHIjO?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=d67e7cbc218545f2ac058a5c20a9b200&ei=119
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