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Taxpayers face bill of £5m a month to house Afghans refused asylum

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  • FORDAKIDZFORDAKIDZ Member Posts: 259
    A few things from me.

    £700 Milly a year to house all these people !! WTF

    Some of the hotel chains are French owned so why would they stop them from geting here and lower their profits ?

    Born and bred, paid my whole life, never signed on before and i have been awarded the grand sum of £27.80 per week benifits on PIP !

    Not even a new mobile or new tele or free food for me !

    It's a joke, we read about things all the time but you only find out how bad it really is when you fall on genuine hard times and you cannot get anything as a native.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,724
    FORDAKIDZ said:

    A few things from me.

    £700 Milly a year to house all these people !! WTF

    Some of the hotel chains are French owned so why would they stop them from geting here and lower their profits ?

    Born and bred, paid my whole life, never signed on before and i have been awarded the grand sum of £27.80 per week benifits on PIP !

    Not even a new mobile or new tele or free food for me !

    It's a joke, we read about things all the time but you only find out how bad it really is when you fall on genuine hard times and you cannot get anything as a native.

    That's very sad to read @FORDAKIDZ, I hope things sort themselves out very quickly for you. You are quite right, people that pay into the system all of their lives should be looked after when they need help, they deserve it and that isn't happening, it's very wrong.
  • FORDAKIDZFORDAKIDZ Member Posts: 259
    @Enut, thanks for the kind words :) What is worse for me is that i was referred back to the vascular specialist clinic in Nov 2024 after giving up work from ill health, i have not even had a letter confirming any appointment and it is May 2025. NHS are overwhelmed apparently.

    I wonder why ?

    Still hoping for the lottery win, can get a Lotus and go private !

    Take care
  • FORDAKIDZFORDAKIDZ Member Posts: 259
    You would think the NHS could flag up a fully paid member and give them some priority but thats not the case, people who have never given one penny to this country get treated before us.

    Apologies, two and a half glasses of Pino in and having a ranting moment :(
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,759
    FORDAKIDZ said:

    You would think the NHS could flag up a fully paid member and give them some priority but thats not the case, people who have never given one penny to this country get treated before us.

    Apologies, two and a half glasses of Pino in and having a ranting moment :(

    I suppose by that way of thinking, anyone with a life long condition which stops them working and “not be a fully paid up member” should go to the back of the queue ?

    Maybe the richest in society could get priority status, and a waiting room away from the plebs.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,221
    HAYSIE said:
    I always detest anything that refers to "teams" of Lawyers. Simply because the person referring to it is almost invariably a tw@t.

    Here's some free advice-not legal advice, simply because I am no longer a Solicitor. And if anyone reading this has the ear of anyone in Reform, feel free to pass it on.

    Does this idea have advantages for Reform? Yes, it does. It will provide free publicity for them and their ideals. But-and it is an important but-it will only be free for Reform. Because the taxpayer will be paying. Every which way this goes.

    Let's look at this really simply. From the point of view of both sides to any legal dispute. Because, at its simplest, the binary options are (for both sides) Win. Or Lose.

    Let's suppose for 1 moment that Reform were to win. Unlikely. But let's run with it. The Local Taxpayers of, say, Staffordshire, will be funding that side of the action. And that is an expensive legal action. Any Judicial Review is. And this 1 would likely cost hundreds of thousands (if not many millions) of pounds.

    The winner does not get all of its costs back. Far from it. But would probably get about 70% back were they to win. But who pays those costs? It's not the Government. It is us, the Taxpayer. Meanwhile, the rest of the country would have to pay any costs of housing Staffordshire's share of migrants. Because the migrants are still there. It is no different from, say, Essex declaring that old people have to live in Care Homes outside Essex.

    And were they to lose? In all likelihood, any Council bringing and losing this action would face 2 major problems. Firstly, how to pay not only their own costs, but also the other side's. Secondly, they would have already spent money earmarked for adult social care and education-the things that eat up Council's budgets.

    They wouldn't be able to pay. So-guess who ends up paying? A mixture of the residents of (in my example) of Staffordshire, and the taxpayers of the Nation.

    This might be good for the Reform Party. And good for the bank balances of some Lawyers. And a total disaster for the taxpayer. Win. Or Lose. Just a massive, taxpayer-funded, Party Political Broadcast.

    But-what can you expect from a Party with precisely Zero experience of how to run anything?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:
    I always detest anything that refers to "teams" of Lawyers. Simply because the person referring to it is almost invariably a tw@t.

    Here's some free advice-not legal advice, simply because I am no longer a Solicitor. And if anyone reading this has the ear of anyone in Reform, feel free to pass it on.

    Does this idea have advantages for Reform? Yes, it does. It will provide free publicity for them and their ideals. But-and it is an important but-it will only be free for Reform. Because the taxpayer will be paying. Every which way this goes.

    Let's look at this really simply. From the point of view of both sides to any legal dispute. Because, at its simplest, the binary options are (for both sides) Win. Or Lose.

    Let's suppose for 1 moment that Reform were to win. Unlikely. But let's run with it. The Local Taxpayers of, say, Staffordshire, will be funding that side of the action. And that is an expensive legal action. Any Judicial Review is. And this 1 would likely cost hundreds of thousands (if not many millions) of pounds.

    The winner does not get all of its costs back. Far from it. But would probably get about 70% back were they to win. But who pays those costs? It's not the Government. It is us, the Taxpayer. Meanwhile, the rest of the country would have to pay any costs of housing Staffordshire's share of migrants. Because the migrants are still there. It is no different from, say, Essex declaring that old people have to live in Care Homes outside Essex.

    And were they to lose? In all likelihood, any Council bringing and losing this action would face 2 major problems. Firstly, how to pay not only their own costs, but also the other side's. Secondly, they would have already spent money earmarked for adult social care and education-the things that eat up Council's budgets.

    They wouldn't be able to pay. So-guess who ends up paying? A mixture of the residents of (in my example) of Staffordshire, and the taxpayers of the Nation.

    This might be good for the Reform Party. And good for the bank balances of some Lawyers. And a total disaster for the taxpayer. Win. Or Lose. Just a massive, taxpayer-funded, Party Political Broadcast.

    But-what can you expect from a Party with precisely Zero experience of how to run anything?
    He is the master of the soundbite, but always lacking in details, or explanations.
    They had a massive result in the council elections, when all their leaflets focused on immigration.
    The voting public now has four years until the general election, to realise that this is a government, rather than local council issue.
    He maintains that Reform will stop the boats, but how they intend to do this remains a secret.
    He surely cant be a successful leader.
    At least I hope not.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
    UK migrant centre sees sixfold rise in a year of staff sacked over failed drug tests


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-migrant-centre-sees-sixfold-080030164.html
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,105
    HAYSIE said:

    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html



    Why is it a problem that these people are doing Fast Food Delivery jobs & earning a few bob? Presumably there were unfilled vacancies, because nobody else was prepared to do the job... I think we can assume The Telegraph, given it's agenda, exaggerated everything too.

    I had my car valeted at a local "Hand Car Wash" Centre yesterday. I had barely got out of the car when the cleaning crew swarmed all over it, & I returned an hour later to find my car exterior sparkling & the interior absolutely mint.

    All the lads were Poles, Albanians or Western Europeans, & I very much doubt any of them were "documented".

    What's the problem?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html



    Why is it a problem that these people are doing Fast Food Delivery jobs & earning a few bob? Presumably there were unfilled vacancies, because nobody else was prepared to do the job... I think we can assume The Telegraph, given it's agenda, exaggerated everything too.

    I had my car valeted at a local "Hand Car Wash" Centre yesterday. I had barely got out of the car when the cleaning crew swarmed all over it, & I returned an hour later to find my car exterior sparkling & the interior absolutely mint.

    All the lads were Poles, Albanians or Western Europeans, & I very much doubt any of them were "documented".

    What's the problem?
    I suppose the other side of the argument would be £8bn per year in hotel bills, and 3 meals per day..
    And over £1bn in benefits, as they are officially not allowed to work.
    Add to this no income tax, or NI.
    How could them pay them when they dont exist.
    You were criticising those wrongly claiming benefits the other day.
    An exception in this case?
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,105
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html



    Why is it a problem that these people are doing Fast Food Delivery jobs & earning a few bob? Presumably there were unfilled vacancies, because nobody else was prepared to do the job... I think we can assume The Telegraph, given it's agenda, exaggerated everything too.

    I had my car valeted at a local "Hand Car Wash" Centre yesterday. I had barely got out of the car when the cleaning crew swarmed all over it, & I returned an hour later to find my car exterior sparkling & the interior absolutely mint.

    All the lads were Poles, Albanians or Western Europeans, & I very much doubt any of them were "documented".

    What's the problem?
    I suppose the other side of the argument would be £8bn per year in hotel bills, and 3 meals per day..
    And over £1bn in benefits, as they are officially not allowed to work.
    Add to this no income tax, or NI.
    How could them pay them when they dont exist.
    You were criticising those wrongly claiming benefits the other day.
    An exception in this case?
    You are assuming they are claiming benefits & are living in a Government-funded Hotel room? How do you know that?

    And let's not forget, British folks "game" the welfare system aplenty...
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
    edited May 5
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html



    Why is it a problem that these people are doing Fast Food Delivery jobs & earning a few bob? Presumably there were unfilled vacancies, because nobody else was prepared to do the job... I think we can assume The Telegraph, given it's agenda, exaggerated everything too.

    I had my car valeted at a local "Hand Car Wash" Centre yesterday. I had barely got out of the car when the cleaning crew swarmed all over it, & I returned an hour later to find my car exterior sparkling & the interior absolutely mint.

    All the lads were Poles, Albanians or Western Europeans, & I very much doubt any of them were "documented".

    What's the problem?
    I suppose the other side of the argument would be £8bn per year in hotel bills, and 3 meals per day..
    And over £1bn in benefits, as they are officially not allowed to work.
    Add to this no income tax, or NI.
    How could them pay them when they dont exist.
    You were criticising those wrongly claiming benefits the other day.
    An exception in this case?
    You are assuming they are claiming benefits & are living in a Government-funded Hotel room? How do you know that?

    And let's not forget, British folks "game" the welfare system aplenty...
    Asylum seekers are taken into custody on arrival.
    They are put into hotels, and fed 3 meals per day.
    While we take years to process their claims.
    If their claims are denied, we have an army of lawyers standing by, to advise them of the best ways of appealing, at our cost.
    This may involve impersonating a Christian for a short time, and attending a Church for a couple of weeks, or claiming to be gay, despite having a wife and three kids.
    They are paid benefits, because they are not allowed to work.
    If they attempted to pay tax, and NI, they would presumably be stopped from working.

    We discussed the Winter Fuel Allowance last year.
    I was in agreement that there are many pensioners didnt need it, but some probably did.
    Labour have got into terrible sh1t over it.
    The saving from not paying it was £1.4bn
    The hotel bills, and benefits for asylum seekers is over £9bn.



    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,724
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html



    Why is it a problem that these people are doing Fast Food Delivery jobs & earning a few bob? Presumably there were unfilled vacancies, because nobody else was prepared to do the job... I think we can assume The Telegraph, given it's agenda, exaggerated everything too.

    I had my car valeted at a local "Hand Car Wash" Centre yesterday. I had barely got out of the car when the cleaning crew swarmed all over it, & I returned an hour later to find my car exterior sparkling & the interior absolutely mint.

    All the lads were Poles, Albanians or Western Europeans, & I very much doubt any of them were "documented".

    What's the problem?
    That's absolutely disgusting @Tikay10, I've never heard of anything so ridiculous, how can you take your car to a scratch and shine centre? You'll be saying that it only cost you £20 next.

    A man of your sophistication should know that that to properly detail a car is a work of art. Citrus prewash, rinse, iron fallout removal, rinse, PH neutral snowfoam, rinse, contact wash (2 bucket method) rinse, high quality microfibre towel dry, or non contact dry using airblower, followed by quick detailer or ceramic spray and that's assuming that you aren't going to bother with clay barring, correcting, polishing and coating. Oh and that's also not including the wheels, tyres or any of the interior.

    A proper detail will take hours and will cost you in the hundreds rather than £20, but they won't scratch your car to bits.

    Now let's not hear any more of this rubbish ;)



  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,105


    lol, God bless @Enut



    Guilty as charged, but I confess I've not cleaned my car, inside or out, since I purchased it new...... 13 years ago. Slightly embarrassing, but true.

    I keep thinking I ought to change it, treat myself to a new one, but the old girl - a 3 Series BWM with 135,000 miles on the clock - still gets the job done, and is still as reliable as clockwork. And it's never once broken down. I only do around 10,000 miles a year these days, & I drive "sympathetically", and I get it serviced once a year when the MOT falls due. It's passed every MOT at the first time of asking.

    German cars are amazingly well engineered, especially, if like me, your car owning history includes a variety of cars made by BMC, Rover, Jaguar etc, which were embarrassingly poorly made.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,221
    For balance, I agree that something needs to be done to tighten up the rules relating to delivery drivers being free to sub-contract their work to whoever they like regardless of whether the sub-contractor is entitled to work in this country.

    No other industry works in this way. Really not difficult to put the onus on the original Contractor to have to keep records proving any substitute had the right to work.

    However, there is a risk of demonising the truly desperate. I'm sure there are lots of people coming over here knowing they are going to work illegally. Although I would suggest they are principally people on Student Visas and Single young men, rather than the many people genuinely fleeing oppression.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs



    Migrants are making up to £500 a week by working for delivery services – including Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats – it has been revealed in a month-long Telegraph investigation.

    The Telegraph has gone undercover to speak to people smugglers, exposing carefully honed sales pitches promoting the UK as the ultimate asylum destination because working in the gig economy is “easy” and migrants are guaranteed a “free” Government hotel room.

    One Istanbul-based smuggler said Britain is best because “all you need is a mobile phone and a bike” to make “good money”.

    Migrants housed in Home Office-funded UK hotels have told how they share bikes and illegal e-bikes, many modified to exceed speed limits, and work for delivery apps as “substitute” riders.

    Courier accounts are rented out to migrants for between £75 and £100 a week on the black market.

    In 2023, the Home Office found that two in five delivery drivers stopped during random checks were working illegally.

    A resident based in a London hotel, which is home to hundreds of male asylum seekers, said “nearly all” the hotel’s inhabitants were working as self-employed couriers to cover their Channel crossings.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-flock-britain-easy-104202084.html



    Why is it a problem that these people are doing Fast Food Delivery jobs & earning a few bob? Presumably there were unfilled vacancies, because nobody else was prepared to do the job... I think we can assume The Telegraph, given it's agenda, exaggerated everything too.

    I had my car valeted at a local "Hand Car Wash" Centre yesterday. I had barely got out of the car when the cleaning crew swarmed all over it, & I returned an hour later to find my car exterior sparkling & the interior absolutely mint.

    All the lads were Poles, Albanians or Western Europeans, & I very much doubt any of them were "documented".

    What's the problem?
    I suppose the other side of the argument would be £8bn per year in hotel bills, and 3 meals per day..
    And over £1bn in benefits, as they are officially not allowed to work.
    Add to this no income tax, or NI.
    How could them pay them when they dont exist.
    You were criticising those wrongly claiming benefits the other day.
    An exception in this case?
    You are assuming they are claiming benefits & are living in a Government-funded Hotel room? How do you know that?

    And let's not forget, British folks "game" the welfare system aplenty...
    The current rules are that you must be on British soil to apply for asylum.
    So, what if we could scrap that.
    We then say that if you arrive on our shores illegally, you will be immediately deported.
    The government decides on the number of people we can comfortably afford to help.
    We then take online applications.
    Our embassies abroad could assist applicants.
    We can ensure that the people we accept are generally deserving of our help, and are not dangerous criminals.
    That would be the end of the small boats.

    The people that arrived subsequent to their applications being accepted, could use the money they would have paid the people traffickers, to get up and running.
    Therefore no hotel bills, no benefits, no moaning Brits, controlled borders, a number that we could comfortably afford, and probably the end of Reform.

    This topic is at least as divisive as Brexit.
    If Starmer cant sort it out before the general election, it would not surprise me to see Farage as PM.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,949
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