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Peter Sullivan who has spent 38 years in jail for murder has conviction quashed

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
Peter Sullivan who has spent 38 years in jail for murder has conviction quashed
Mr Sullivan was convicted of murdering Diane Sindall in Birkenhead in August 1986 but a review found his DNA was not present on samples preserved at the time.




A man jailed for murder nearly 40 years ago has had his conviction quashed by the Court of Appeal, ending what's thought to be the longest-running miscarriage of justice in British history.

Peter Sullivan was convicted of murdering Diane Sindall in Birkenhead in August 1986. The 21-year-old florist had been beaten and raped and left in an alleyway.

Mr Sullivan, 68, had always maintained his innocence and new tests, ordered by the Criminal Cases Review Commission, revealed his DNA was not present on samples preserved at the time.

"He has always been trying and working towards a breakthrough. That DNA evidence was that moment for him," said his solicitor Sarah Myatt.

"When he was told about the new evidence, he was ecstatic."










https://news.sky.com/story/peter-sullivan-who-has-spent-38-years-in-jail-for-murder-has-conviction-quashed-13363928
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,511


    38 years, wow. I wonder what sort of compo he'll get? He's lost almost his entire life.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,590
    That's one for those that want to bring back the death penalty.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,730
    Tikay10 said:



    38 years, wow. I wonder what sort of compo he'll get? He's lost almost his entire life.

    No amount could ever be enough but it needs to be sorted quickly and allow him to live the life of luxury for the rest of his days. A very sad story and it's amazing it has taken so long to find him not guilty, whoever denied the requests for DNA testing needs to answer a few questions.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,511
    Enut said:

    Tikay10 said:



    38 years, wow. I wonder what sort of compo he'll get? He's lost almost his entire life.

    No amount could ever be enough but it needs to be sorted quickly and allow him to live the life of luxury for the rest of his days. A very sad story and it's amazing it has taken so long to find him not guilty, whoever denied the requests for DNA testing needs to answer a few questions.

    @Enut

    Yes, Amen to all that.

    He deserves to be able to spend his remaining years in absolute luxury.

    He does not appear to be at all bitter about it either.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,730
    @Tikay10 his comments were "It is said the truth shall set you free. It is unfortunate that it does not give a timescale as we advance towards resolving the wrongs done to me.

    "I am not angry, I am not bitter.

    "I am simply anxious to return to my loved ones and family as I've got to make the most of what is left of the existence I am granted in this world."

    I don't think I would have been so eloquent or concise. He and his family also expressed their concern for Diane Sindall's family, after all her killer either got away with it or is still out there.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,511


    @Enut



    Wow. What an incredible man, & I agree, hard to imagine anyone could have been more eloquent. When we rub shoulders all the time with "entitled" poker players, it does - or should - really make one think.

    There are some extraordinary people around.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    Tikay10 said:



    @Enut



    Wow. What an incredible man, & I agree, hard to imagine anyone could have been more eloquent. When we rub shoulders all the time with "entitled" poker players, it does - or should - really make one think.

    There are some extraordinary people around.

    Everyone in prison apparently says they are innocent.
    But doing all that time knowing that you really innocent, would surely do your head in.
    Not only that, knowing that proof was available to prove that you were innocent, could only make things worse.
    Unfortunately there are a number of cases where the police have been able to manipulate those with learning difficulties.
    He doesnt sound much like a man that would have signed a confession, yet he did.
    They ruled in 2008 that it was not possible to retest the dna.
    Yet it obviously was, which is why we ended up where we are today.
    So was this due to advances in technology, or someone that was more determined becoming involved?


    MailOnline reports Mr Sullivan is in line for the maximum level of compensation from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), with payouts currently capped at £1million for 10 or more years imprisonment.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,511
    edited May 14

    In the circumstances, £1 million does not sound much, but I guess compared to what he's endured for 38 years, he'll be able to live in relative luxury.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    Peter Sullivan who has spent 38 years in jail for murder has conviction quashed
    The Court of Appeal ruling ends what's thought to be the longest-running miscarriage of justice in British history.





    Mr Sullivan - who was jailed in 1987 - had always maintained his innocence and first tried to challenge his conviction in 2016, but the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) declined to refer the case, and he lost his own appeal bid in 2019.

    Two years later, he again asked the CCRC to refer his case and new tests, ordered by the commission, revealed Mr Sullivan's DNA was not present on samples preserved at the time.

    https://news.sky.com/story/peter-sullivan-who-has-spent-38-years-in-jail-for-murder-has-conviction-quashed-13363928
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    HAYSIE said:

    Peter Sullivan who has spent 38 years in jail for murder has conviction quashed
    The Court of Appeal ruling ends what's thought to be the longest-running miscarriage of justice in British history.





    Mr Sullivan - who was jailed in 1987 - had always maintained his innocence and first tried to challenge his conviction in 2016, but the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) declined to refer the case, and he lost his own appeal bid in 2019.

    Two years later, he again asked the CCRC to refer his case and new tests, ordered by the commission, revealed Mr Sullivan's DNA was not present on samples preserved at the time.

    https://news.sky.com/story/peter-sullivan-who-has-spent-38-years-in-jail-for-murder-has-conviction-quashed-13363928

    That was 2021, it is now 2025.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    Tikay10 said:


    In the circumstances, £1 million does not sound much, but I guess compared to what he's endured for 38 years, he'll be able to live in relative luxury.

    They werent in a rush to release him.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,730
    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    Enut said:

    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.

    They knew that he was innocent in 2021.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    edited May 14
    Enut said:

    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.

    Andrew Malkinson still waiting for compensation


    A man who spent 17 years in prison after being wrongly convicted of rape is still waiting for compensation three years after his release.

    Andrew Malkinson, 58, had his conviction for the 2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.

    Emily Bolton, the lawyer who represented him during his criminal appeal, said he feels "the state is trying to break him".

    The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said it was trying to make a decision on compensation "as quickly as possible".

    'Still struggling'

    Mr Malkinson's conviction was overturned in July after the Court of Appeal heard allegations of major failures in the handling of the case against him.

    Ms Bolton told the Today Programme that he is "absolutely still struggling" and frustrated over demands for information he must provide to the Department of Work and Pensions in order to receive benefits.

    She said: "It's about being mistrusted. What more does Andy have to prove?"


    Mr Malkinson was previously living in a tent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31eeg4wl5o#:~:text=A man who spent 17 years in prison,2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,590
    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.

    Andrew Malkinson still waiting for compensation


    A man who spent 17 years in prison after being wrongly convicted of rape is still waiting for compensation three years after his release.

    Andrew Malkinson, 58, had his conviction for the 2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.

    Emily Bolton, the lawyer who represented him during his criminal appeal, said he feels "the state is trying to break him".

    The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said it was trying to make a decision on compensation "as quickly as possible".

    'Still struggling'

    Mr Malkinson's conviction was overturned in July after the Court of Appeal heard allegations of major failures in the handling of the case against him.

    Ms Bolton told the Today Programme that he is "absolutely still struggling" and frustrated over demands for information he must provide to the Department of Work and Pensions in order to receive benefits.

    She said: "It's about being mistrusted. What more does Andy have to prove?"


    Mr Malkinson was previously living in a tent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31eeg4wl5o#:~:text=A man who spent 17 years in prison,2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.
    How hard can it be to make a decision ?.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 39,035
    rabdeniro said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.

    Andrew Malkinson still waiting for compensation


    A man who spent 17 years in prison after being wrongly convicted of rape is still waiting for compensation three years after his release.

    Andrew Malkinson, 58, had his conviction for the 2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.

    Emily Bolton, the lawyer who represented him during his criminal appeal, said he feels "the state is trying to break him".

    The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said it was trying to make a decision on compensation "as quickly as possible".

    'Still struggling'

    Mr Malkinson's conviction was overturned in July after the Court of Appeal heard allegations of major failures in the handling of the case against him.

    Ms Bolton told the Today Programme that he is "absolutely still struggling" and frustrated over demands for information he must provide to the Department of Work and Pensions in order to receive benefits.

    She said: "It's about being mistrusted. What more does Andy have to prove?"


    Mr Malkinson was previously living in a tent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31eeg4wl5o#:~:text=A man who spent 17 years in prison,2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.
    How hard can it be to make a decision ?.
    They just needed to send the f...ing cheque.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,511
    rabdeniro said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.

    Andrew Malkinson still waiting for compensation


    A man who spent 17 years in prison after being wrongly convicted of rape is still waiting for compensation three years after his release.

    Andrew Malkinson, 58, had his conviction for the 2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.

    Emily Bolton, the lawyer who represented him during his criminal appeal, said he feels "the state is trying to break him".

    The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said it was trying to make a decision on compensation "as quickly as possible".

    'Still struggling'

    Mr Malkinson's conviction was overturned in July after the Court of Appeal heard allegations of major failures in the handling of the case against him.

    Ms Bolton told the Today Programme that he is "absolutely still struggling" and frustrated over demands for information he must provide to the Department of Work and Pensions in order to receive benefits.

    She said: "It's about being mistrusted. What more does Andy have to prove?"


    Mr Malkinson was previously living in a tent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31eeg4wl5o#:~:text=A man who spent 17 years in prison,2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.
    How hard can it be to make a decision ?.

    @rabdeniro


    Correct.

    It's binary, either yes or no. How long can that take? One half suspects they are procrastinating until he dies, then the problem goes away.

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,238
    edited May 14
    Tikay10 said:

    rabdeniro said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Enut said:

    £1 million isn't enough. If he wants to buy a house to live in then the remainder will probably generate an adequate pension income but he certainly won't be living in luxury. If he was in the South East he wouldn't get much change after buying a moderately nice house.

    I wonder if his family can sue for their stress? I'm sure they have also suffered greatly due to his wrongful conviction.

    Lots of things don't look right in this case. Do they ever get reviewed? Not just the conviction but also the appeals process and those involved that kept an innocent man in prison for decades.

    I am pro death sentence for murder but only now, when modern DNA testing and forensics would have meant he was not convicted in the first place.

    Andrew Malkinson still waiting for compensation


    A man who spent 17 years in prison after being wrongly convicted of rape is still waiting for compensation three years after his release.

    Andrew Malkinson, 58, had his conviction for the 2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.

    Emily Bolton, the lawyer who represented him during his criminal appeal, said he feels "the state is trying to break him".

    The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said it was trying to make a decision on compensation "as quickly as possible".

    'Still struggling'

    Mr Malkinson's conviction was overturned in July after the Court of Appeal heard allegations of major failures in the handling of the case against him.

    Ms Bolton told the Today Programme that he is "absolutely still struggling" and frustrated over demands for information he must provide to the Department of Work and Pensions in order to receive benefits.

    She said: "It's about being mistrusted. What more does Andy have to prove?"


    Mr Malkinson was previously living in a tent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31eeg4wl5o#:~:text=A man who spent 17 years in prison,2003 sex attack near Bolton quashed last year.
    How hard can it be to make a decision ?.

    @rabdeniro


    Correct.

    It's binary, either yes or no. How long can that take? One half suspects they are procrastinating until he dies, then the problem goes away.

    With the greatest of respect, most of this is not binary.

    The first point to make is that any case of this sort involves what Lawyers will call "liability" and "quantum". Or, as I prefer to say, if and how much.

    It is not as simple as wrongful conviction automatically entitling someone to money. Let me give a simple example.

    X is convicted and imprisoned for a Rape in London. The DNA evidence that exonerates him is that it can now be proved that at that time he was raping someone in Birmingham. In that example, who wants to give that person your money?

    The next point to make is the role of his Solicitor. He will have spent many £thousands on this case already. And that money has usually either been borrowed from a Bank or from Legal Expenses Insurers. And the pressure on the Law Firm drops once liability is admitted.

    The change I would like to see is this.

    1. A much faster check to ensure that Liability should not be an issue. That bit should not take 31 weeks.
    2. Once that check has been passed, the wrongly convicted person should be entitled to a substantial interim payment. Allowing him to live comfortably while the matter is settled. And the Lawyers only get paid at that later stage.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 177,511

    That's all fair comment @Essexphil

    Nothing is ever quite as simple as it seems, is it?
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