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robcrobc Member Posts: 521
edited April 2010 in The Poker Clinic
nffc4eva Small blind  10.00 10.00 4970.00
robc Big blind  20.00 30.00 4980.00
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
     
?????? Call  20.00 50.00 4980.00
murphy06 Fold     
Monsterlug Fold     
lev74 Fold     
nffc4eva Fold     
robc Raise  60.00 110.00 4920.00
?????Call  60.00 170.00 4920.00
Flop
   
  • 9
  • J
  • Q
     
robc Bet  100.00 270.00 4820.00
???? Call  100.00 370.00 4820.00
Turn
   
  • Q
     
robc Check     
????Bet  20.00 390.00 4800.00
robc Raise  140.00 530.00 4680.00
????Call  120.00 650.00 4680.00
River
   
  • J
     
robc Bet  650.00 1300.00 4030.00
????? All-in  4680.00 5980.00 0.00

 This was in the second hand of a tournament, i no the check on the turn isn't great, but what it does tell me from this is he probably has the q after he calls my c-raise which had me jumping up and down. till the river. do you sigh and fold or call and pray? i thought he might have put in a smaller raise with the nuts? any thoughts would be great
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    silentbobsilentbob Member Posts: 2,137
    edited April 2010
    For me it's a fold. I just can't see how you're ahead here. You're behind to any jack or any queen & as it's only the 2nd hand of the tourney you've still 4k behind. I suppose it's possible he could have something like K10 & that might explain the overbet but I don't feel comfortable putting my tourney on the line this early without the stone cold nuts.
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    zingzing Member Posts: 333
    edited April 2010
    you checked when you should of bet turn and bet when you should of checked river.



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    CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited April 2010
    Simply cannot bet the river here.

    Check fold river or check call if you have some sort of read that villain may bluff at this board.
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    DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited April 2010
    I do think the check is a poor move, a stronger bet might have left you with more information. The bet on the flop was reasonably strong, the bet on the turn needed to be 400/500 to give him something to think about. If he has a J, there's a fair chance he folds- if he has a Q, he reshoves. When he reshoves though, it's a pretty set call I think so you'd be out in that case- I think you've actually got away with it.

    There's obviously the possibility he had a 10 only all along and made a MASSIVE bluff at the end- but I think that would be a bad move on his part, since the way you played it highly suggests you having a Q or J- I doubt he could put you on trip 9's. So yea, trying to bluff there wouldn't generally be a good move- I think you have to sigh, realise that 9/10 he has the stronger house and fold, it's the best move most of the time.
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    robcrobc Member Posts: 521
    edited April 2010
    hey guys cheers for the response i got the answers i knew i would really, been running horribly recently and making me play bad aswell, he did have the queen which we all knew really lol. and i busted out knowing i was beat as i called, its a mistake i wont be making again, normally it would be a easy fold but was tilting to much and thought surely i cant of been rivered again lol.


      Cheers for the replies guys gl at the tables

     Rob
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    DeuceAK_47DeuceAK_47 Member Posts: 381
    edited April 2010

    Bet bigger pre (for value and because your out of position)

    Bet bigger on the flop..atleast 3/4 pot (As the board is wet)

    Bet turn

    Fold river

    At least you bet the flop though...see so many players checking lol
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