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Playing the nuts against 2 players

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,927
edited May 2010 in The Poker Clinic
10 handed table, im playing a few games, my approach on these tables is to just play the cards im dealt, try n flop the nuts, or find AA / KK pre and get it in, im not really interested in watching how others play, whats been going on, who's lairy, agro etc - I cant multi table like others, so I just play cards - Hence I have no reads.

Ive posted a hand before, where I flop the nut flush and have 2 people betting into me.......

I posted for advice, and was advised to play it strong on the flop. I dont want to lose customers here, so what hands could my oppos have? overpair to the board, Ace/King of diamonds? a six? - and what is the correct play bearing in mind the hands I'm likely to be up against? - Can ya give an exact raise size if that is your option? - and reasing behind it....looking at stack sizes imparticular...

How do you respond on the turn? - they both have a pot sized bet left behind....
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
sophie123 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £37.08
DOHHHHHHH Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £94.57
  Your hole cards
  • 7
  • 4
     
JAKOBOY Fold     
lemonada Call  £0.50 £1.25 £44.50
blackbeltb Fold     
BENDOG40 Raise  £2.00 £3.25 £48.00
John_Banks Fold     
tilldeath Fold     
sophie123 Call  £1.75 £5.00 £35.33
DOHHHHHHH Call  £1.50 £6.50 £93.07
lemonada Call  £1.50 £8.00 £43.00
Flop
   
  • 3
  • 6
  • 5
     
sophie123 Check     
DOHHHHHHH Check     
lemonada Bet  £3.50 £11.50 £39.50
BENDOG40 Fold     
sophie123 Call  £3.50 £15.00 £31.83
DOHHHHHHH Call  £3.50 £18.50 £89.57
Turn
   
  • 6
     
sophie123 Check     
DOHHHHHHH Check     
lemonada Bet  £7.50 £26.00 £32.00
sophie123 Call  £7.50 £33.50 £24.33
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    mr_mbromr_mbro Member Posts: 1,152
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    10 handed table, im playing a few games, my approach on these tables is to just play the cards im dealt, try n flop the nuts, or find AA / KK pre and get it in, im not really interested in watching how others play, whats been going on, who's lairy, agro etc - I cant multi table like others, so I just play cards - Hence I have no reads. Ive posted a hand before, where I flop the nut flush and have 2 people betting into me....... I posted for advice, and was advised to play it strong on the flop. I dont want to lose customers here, so what hands could my oppos have? overpair to the board, Ace/King of diamonds? a six? - and what is the correct play bearing in mind the hands I'm likely to be up against? - Can ya give an exact raise size if that is your option? - and reasing behind it....looking at stack sizes imparticular... How do you respond on the turn? - they both have a pot sized bet left behind.... Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance sophie123 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £37.08 DOHHHHHHH Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £94.57   Your hole cards 7 4       JAKOBOY Fold         lemonada Call   £0.50 £1.25 £44.50 blackbeltb Fold         BENDOG40 Raise   £2.00 £3.25 £48.00 John_Banks Fold         tilldeath Fold         sophie123 Call   £1.75 £5.00 £35.33 DOHHHHHHH Call   £1.50 £6.50 £93.07 lemonada Call   £1.50 £8.00 £43.00 Flop     3 6 5       sophie123 Check         DOHHHHHHH Check         lemonada Bet   £3.50 £11.50 £39.50 BENDOG40 Fold         sophie123 Call   £3.50 £15.00 £31.83 DOHHHHHHH Call   £3.50 £18.50 £89.57 Turn     6       sophie123 Check         DOHHHHHHH Check         lemonada Bet   £7.50 £26.00 £32.00 sophie123 Call   £7.50 £33.50 £24.33
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Hi DOHHHHHHH,
    Why would you want to do anything other than call the turn bets and then bet the river, as i see it the only other  move is to pot it and hope that one or both call.
    One thing i definitely would not do is call the turn and then check the river, even when your opponents have consistantly led out, but you know this better than me m8.

    col
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    mr_mbromr_mbro Member Posts: 1,152
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    In Response to Playing the nuts against 2 players : Hi DOHHHHHHH, Why would you want to do anything other than call the turn bets and then bet the river, as i see it the only other  move is to pot it and hope that one or both call. One thing i definitely would not do is call the turn and then check the river, even when your opponents have consistently led out, but you know this better than me m8. col
    ps edit can you see my deliberate mistake lol
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    OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited May 2010
    Dunno, this can be as tense as trying to get a bluff through sometimes.  Personally I would raise that turn, but by how much I`m not sure.
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    OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited May 2010
    I played this hand last night, but I suppose it plays itself when you see villains hand
    AEMF1873 Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £14.33
    keezy Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £16.37
      Your hole cards
    • 4
    • A
    		     
    B00MT4NG Fold     
    tung8 Call  £0.20 £0.50 £26.94
    crobe Call  £0.20 £0.70 £25.83
    OMahonyO Call  £0.20 £0.90 £22.27
    AEMF1873 Fold     
    keezy Check     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 8
    • 7
    		     
    keezy Bet  £0.20 £1.10 £16.17
    tung8 Fold     
    crobe Raise  £0.40 £1.50 £25.43
    OMahonyO Raise  £1.00 £2.50 £21.27
    keezy Fold     
    crobe Raise  £3.70 £6.20 £21.73
    OMahonyO Raise  £6.20 £12.40 £15.07
    crobe Call  £3.10 £15.50 £18.63
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    crobe Check     
    OMahonyO All-in  £15.07 £30.57 £0.00
    crobe Call  £15.07 £45.64 £3.56
    crobe Show
    • 10
    • 9
    		   
    OMahonyO Show
    • 4
    • A
    		   
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    OMahonyO Win Flush to the Ace £43.84  £43.84
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    freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited May 2010
    you have to raise the turn, if villan has Ad or Kd he will call, if you dont raise turn villan might not put another penny into pot on river if he miss a draw.
    the size of raise on turn is hard as both players r sat short i would make it £19 if both call then pot is about £75 and a £20 bet on river sets both of all in.
    if it was me i am c/r on flop as when i have played 10 handed on sky its lots of calling stations
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    Action_DanAction_Dan Member Posts: 341
    edited May 2010
    How many fist pumps and expletives came out when you flopped that? You've not had that much fun since flopping the nuts on Kerry Katona! It's tough spot to extract value though - I'd call and bet river in hope another diamond comes or they hit some kind of Full House and get paid that way! On paired board, will big diamond come along regardless or would it scare them off? I guess that's where reads on their previous would've come in handy!
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    freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    How many fist pumps and expletives came out when you flopped that? Dream flop of all dream flops! It's tough spot to extract value though - I'd call and bet river in hope another diamond comes or they hit some kind of Full House and get paid that way! On paired board, will big diamond come along regardless or would it scare them off?
    Posted by Action_Dan
    and if they miss their draw on river you get £0
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    Action_DanAction_Dan Member Posts: 341
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players : and if they miss their draw on river you get £0
    Posted by freechips1
    Deep down I know that's the right move and in theory, I like to think I'd raise but if I'm being honest, I'd call and then bet :(
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    scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited May 2010
    like make it basically a min raise.  about 18/19.
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    zingzing Member Posts: 333
    edited May 2010
    i lead flop
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    lynx3ffectlynx3ffect Member Posts: 452
    edited May 2010
    check/raise flop to 8.5/9, pot is then 33 and they both have pot size stacks so jam turn, they always calling with A or K of diamonds at worse
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    BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited May 2010
    Check raise flop to like 10-12 then just bet every street.
    Or check call flop and cry if a diamond turns.
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    WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    like make it basically a min raise.  about 18/19.
    Posted by scotty77
    +1

    If they call they are comitted to calling a shove on the river with a huge range.
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    DeuceAK_47DeuceAK_47 Member Posts: 381
    edited May 2010

    If the players in the hand are generally passive i lead the flop otherwise i check raise the flop to take control of the pot and make sure im able to get all the money in by the river (pot management).

    Your lucky another diamond didnt come on the turn as that could of ruined your action, your also lucky lemonada looks like has a big hand as the turn could of easily been checked around on that scary of a board.

    Its funny how we always disagree on hands where you slowplay the nuts lol (agree with you on mostly all other hands), you obviously have your reasons for this but my thoughts are that you make most of your money from 50nl games (passive games) by VALUE BETTING as most players call way too lightly.

    DOUBLE YOUR BET SIZES...DOUBLE YOUR WINRATE :-)
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    OMahonyOOMahonyO Member Posts: 1,883
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    like make it basically a min raise.  about 18/19.
    Posted by scotty77

    Yeah, I wanted to say I`d minraise, but refrained as so many think it is so bad.  If there was ever a time to mr, this would be it imo.
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    BrownnDogBrownnDog Member Posts: 729
    edited May 2010
    Fold pre flop
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    beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    Fold pre flop
    Posted by BrownnDog


    Bet or c/r flop ftw. BD is a nit don't listen to him, chirpy chip is the good player with the good advice :-)
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    BrownnDogBrownnDog Member Posts: 729
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players : Bet or c/r flop ftw. BD is a nit don't listen to him, chirpy chip is the good player with the good advice :-)
    Posted by beaneh
    lolololololol
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    beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited May 2010
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:
    In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players : lolololololol
    Posted by BrownnDog


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    xx
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