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Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?

IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
edited July 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Im quite a tight player, i get my money in when i think im winning, i be agresssive when i feel im strong, if theres possible straights or flushes that could come out i tend to stick more money in, as most of the time they shouldnt hit and i get paid. I get alot of good wins. But it seems BAD LUCK hits me way too much. 1 example. and it happens so much. on average i say 8/10 times. (seriously) i have pocket aces, get as much in, be strong all the way through (unless theres for than 3 people in the hand and theres a few things out there someone can have to beat me) ... but i always seem to get beat. its making me want to fold aces straight away!!! haha ...

other example which has happened to me 4 times in the past  week... i have pocket 8s. 2 7 8 flop. i raise 3 blinds (to try get people involved) i get raised again. i re raise (by this point i know im going all in) ... river card. they hit there 10 (when having 10s in their hand) ... im sure it happens to everyone. but 4 times in a week and this is happening week in week out.

2 2 6 comes out ( i have 6's) ... other player has 8s. river card is a 8 ... and again. this is happening to me all the time. should i just give up if i havnt got the absolute nuts every time? i think not. but it seems every sinle time someone has AN AMAZING hand they have been waiting for for ages ... somone els has to absolute nuts

i have 8 10 ... flop 6,7,9 .... obviously geting my money STRAIGHT in there! ... turn is a 2 ... river card is a 8 .... the way ive played and been agressive, i wouldnt put any 1 on 10 jack. paying 2/3 quid for the turn and river in search of that 8 that might come out... the 8 does come out. he goes all in. i have no choice as i still have a straight... i lose of course as always :)

im not sure theres an answer to any of this. Or if this is just how it happens for some players (the losers) ... love the game so much. i feel im pretty clever at times and know when im winning and losing. but stuff like this just keeps happening to me ... :(
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    Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2012
    Post up some hands so we can see if there's anywhere you went wrong.

    Try and give info if possible, was it a DYM? If it was an MTT, was it deep, was it the bubble etc etc?
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?:
    Post up some hands so we can see if there's anywhere you went wrong. Try and give info if possible, was it a DYM? If it was an MTT, was it deep, was it the bubble etc etc?
    Posted by Lambert180
    Cash games mate, on my phone, cant post the hands :( 
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    Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2012

    Is this on a diff site?? Variance is cruel but not as bad as players make it out to be. To be honest if you had some evidence of the hands that the forum regs could see, then I am sure there are ways we could help. At the end of the day, you can't always get your money in good and lose.

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    Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2012
    not coming out correct
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    Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2012
    It's not just your screen, it aint coming up properly. You can read the thread in the clinic about how to post hands.

    Make sure you're getting them from the HH bit on the actual browser on the homepage. Don't get it from your HH while at the table, and don't get them from the HH in the download. Then just highlight it up, copy and paste.
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Assassin35 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £11.10
    walksfar Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £5.90
     Your hole cards
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    321matt123 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £10.69
    IMikeyBoyI Call  £0.30 £0.75 £10.92
    Shankiiies Fold     
    BigBudd_ Fold     
    Assassin35 Fold     
    walksfar Call  £0.20 £0.95 £5.70
    Flop
      
    • 6
    • 10
    • 5
    		   
    walksfar Check     
    321matt123 Bet  £0.50 £1.45 £10.19
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £1.00 £2.45 £9.92
    walksfar Fold     
    321matt123 All-in  £10.19 £12.64 £0.00
    IMikeyBoyI All-in  £9.92 £22.56 £0.00
    IMikeyBoyI Unmatched bet  £0.23 £22.33 £0.23
    321matt123 Show
    • J
    • J
    		   
    IMikeyBoyI Show
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 8
    		   
    River
      
    • J
    		   
    321matt123 Win Three Jacks £20.93
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    soldout Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £3.07
    oms Big blind  £0.10 £0.20 £12.25
     Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 8
    		   
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £0.20 £0.40 £10.67
    pr1nnyraid Fold     
    yidarmy92 Fold     
    soldout Call  £0.10 £0.50 £2.97
    oms Raise  £0.30 £0.80 £11.95
    IMikeyBoyI Call  £0.20 £1.00 £10.47
    soldout Call  £0.20 £1.20 £2.77
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • 8
    • 4
    		   
    soldout Check     
    oms Bet  £0.60 £1.80 £11.35
    IMikeyBoyI Call  £0.60 £2.40 £9.87
    soldout Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 7
    		   
    oms Bet  £1.30 £3.70 £10.05
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £2.60 £6.30 £7.27
    oms Call  £1.30 £7.60 £8.75
    River
      
    • 5
    		   
    oms All-in  £8.75 £16.35 £0.00
    IMikeyBoyI All-in  £7.27 £23.62 £0.00
    oms Unmatched bet  £1.48 £22.14 £1.48
    oms Show
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    IMikeyBoyI Show
    • 8
    • 8
    		   
    oms Win Straight to the 8 £20.74
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    rev167 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £17.76
    27unsuited Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £12.37
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		   
    painy12 Fold     
    STR1BS Fold     
    steveyram Raise  £0.20 £0.35 £11.97
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £0.50 £0.85 £10.58
    rev167 Fold     
    27unsuited Call  £0.40 £1.25 £11.97
    steveyram Call  £0.30 £1.55 £11.67
    Flop
      
    • 7
    • 7
    • K
    		   
    27unsuited Check     
    steveyram Bet  £0.78 £2.33 £10.89
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £1.56 £3.89 £9.02
    27unsuited Call  £1.56 £5.45 £10.41
    steveyram Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 9
    		   
    27unsuited Check     
    IMikeyBoyI Bet  £1.60 £7.05 £7.42
    27unsuited Call  £1.60 £8.65 £8.81
    River
      
    • 2
    		   
    27unsuited Bet  £4.33 £12.98 £4.48
    IMikeyBoyI All-in  £7.42 £20.40 £0.00
    27unsuited Call  £3.09 £23.49 £1.39
    27unsuited Show
    • 7
    • 9
    		   
    IMikeyBoyI Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    27unsuited Win Full House, 7s and 9s £22.09
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    wynnbig Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £7.35
    IMikeyBoyI Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £12.04
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		   
    rev167 Call  £0.10 £0.25 £13.57
    27unsuited Call  £0.10 £0.35 £14.92
    painy12 Raise  £0.40 £0.75 £9.77
    STR1BS Fold     
    wynnbig Fold     
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £0.70 £1.45 £11.34
    rev167 Call  £0.70 £2.15 £12.87
    27unsuited Fold     
    painy12 Raise  £1.60 £3.75 £8.17
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £4.00 £7.75 £7.34
    rev167 Fold     
    painy12 Call  £2.80 £10.55 £5.37
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • 3
    • K
    		   
    IMikeyBoyI Bet  £5.28 £15.83 £2.06
    painy12 All-in  £5.37 £21.20 £0.00
    IMikeyBoyI Call  £0.09 £21.29 £1.97
    IMikeyBoyI Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    painy12 Show
    • 6
    • 6
    		   
    Turn
      
    • J
    		   
    River
      
    • 6
    		   
    painy12 Win Three 6s £19.89
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012
    mj8bs Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £7.02
    scrumdown Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £8.32
     Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 9
    		   
    garner909 Fold     
    IMikeyBoyI Call  £0.10 £0.25 £7.84
    7se7ens7 Fold     
    mj8bs Fold     
    scrumdown Check     
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 8
    • 6
    		   
    scrumdown Bet  £0.25 £0.50 £8.07
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £0.50 £1.00 £7.34
    scrumdown Call  £0.25 £1.25 £7.82
    Turn
      
    • 7
    		   
    scrumdown Bet  £0.30 £1.55 £7.52
    IMikeyBoyI Raise  £0.90 £2.45 £6.44
    scrumdown Raise  £2.89 £5.34 £4.63
    IMikeyBoyI All-in  £6.44 £11.78 £0.00
    scrumdown All-in  £4.63 £16.41 £0.00
    scrumdown Unmatched bet  £0.48 £15.93 £0.48
    scrumdown Show
    • J
    • 10
    		   
    IMikeyBoyI Show
    • 10
    • 9
    		   
    River
      
    • A
    		   
    scrumdown Win Straight to the Jack £14.73  £15.21
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012

    Seriously get hit by stuff like this all the time ... I dont like assuming people are being aggressive every time with the nuts. or is that how i should play to avoid this?

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    TINTINTINTIN Member Posts: 1,612
    edited July 2012
    main problem i see from the hands posted is that when you raise its always a min raise. you give people odds to hit their hands if they are drawing. you say you are being aggresive with your big hands but i think your being timid and telling people what you have with these min raises. when your hands hold you are losing out on a lot of value

    the aa v 66 was just unlucky
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    IMikeyBoyIIMikeyBoyI Member Posts: 30
    edited July 2012

    seems if im too agressive people just fold most of the time lol ... and the way i play im nearly always up on all tables. just got hit by hands that seem abit hard to avoid lol... thannks for the advice :)

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    Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?:
    [QUOTE]seems if im too agressive people just fold most of the time lol ... and the way i play im nearly always up on all tables. just got hit by hands that seem abit hard to avoid lol... thannks for the advice :)
    Posted by IMikeyBoyI

    You need to charge people for there draws. Every one of the hands above you have posted but the first (maybe) you bet so small on drawing boards. The 666 jjj hand is unlucky but remember he was ahead pre. The others with all the min raises are avoidable, you need to raise more especially at these levels. The aces hand why are you raising to 70p??? They are all priced into play now, make it £1.25 or more (at this level make it £3 someone will call)

    I think you should go through your hand histroy and get the biggest losing hands and post them on the clinic, not all of them, but this biggest ones where you think you played it well. (I am not trying to be harsh lol but your original post is about asking if you are doing anything wrong and being too careful, definately not more careful lol be more aggro and yes there are some weaknesses, mainly with your bet sizing but this can be improved) There are loads of grinding cash players who will help you here so take it all on board
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    profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited July 2012
    Hi fella

    I'm not really a cash player but to my mind your  bet sizing is the problem in some cases here as you're giving the odds to players to peel...charge them or make them fold. Set over set and running into a caught straight is just ul. You aren't going to get away from those hands a lots without serious reads so let it ride and kick the imaginary cat!! Cheers
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    Die_hardDie_hard Member Posts: 338
    edited July 2012
    As said, bet sizing is all wrong nearly every one of those hands above on nearly every street.

    Bet more with those hands (then you will gets all the fishes that call anyways, like moi :) )
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    FabraclassFabraclass Member Posts: 117
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?:
    Im quite a tight player, i get my money in when i think im winning, i be agresssive when i feel im strong, if theres possible straights or flushes that could come out i tend to stick more money in, as most of the time they shouldnt hit and i get paid. I get alot of good wins. But it seems BAD LUCK hits me way too much. 1 example. and it happens so much. on average i say 8/10 times. (seriously) i have pocket aces, get as much in, be strong all the way through (unless theres for than 3 people in the hand and theres a few things out there someone can have to beat me) ... but i always seem to get beat. its making me want to fold aces straight away!!! haha ... other example which has happened to me 4 times in the past  week... i have pocket 8s. 2 7 8 flop. i raise 3 blinds (to try get people involved) i get raised again. i re raise (by this point i know im going all in) ... river card. they hit there 10 (when having 10s in their hand) ... im sure it happens to everyone. but 4 times in a week and this is happening week in week out. 2 2 6 comes out ( i have 6's) ... other player has 8s. river card is a 8 ... and again. this is happening to me all the time. should i just give up if i havnt got the absolute nuts every time? i think not. but it seems every sinle time someone has AN AMAZING hand they have been waiting for for ages ... somone els has to absolute nuts i have 8 10 ... flop 6,7,9 .... obviously geting my money STRAIGHT in there! ... turn is a 2 ... river card is a 8 .... the way ive played and been agressive, i wouldnt put any 1 on 10 jack. paying 2/3 quid for the turn and river in search of that 8 that might come out... the 8 does come out. he goes all in. i have no choice as i still have a straight... i lose of course as always :) im not sure theres an answer to any of this. Or if this is just how it happens for some players (the losers) ... love the game so much. i feel im pretty clever at times and know when im winning and losing. but stuff like this just keeps happening to me ... :(
    Posted by IMikeyBoyI

    Weaker players will get lucky more often. As they will be getting their money in bad more often. However in the long term, they will win the hand the correct percentage of the time. You will have to make awful lot of money from these players to cone close to making a profit from the game, with the money you pay the site for playing.

    Just enjoy playing. Win or lose take pride in playing well.At the end of the day it is only a game. Losing money in poker doesn't mean you are not playing very well. Your very often , just not able to cover the costs of playing, with money you are winning from weaker players.
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