The roi I quoted was from the initial stats skope brings up alongside ur sample/proft/ability etc.
I know you can drill down further and get another ROI stat, I didn't do that. I've had it explained to me before what the differences are but can't remember.
I think there is a definite edge in all satellites, if you accept that they are being entered/played by a higher percentage of lesser ability players. Be that edge your opponents lack of knowledge in shoving ranges, positional play, fold equity, laddering etc etc.
I personelly find the frenzys to be of excellent value and I seem to have a very high strike rate in them.
I think the double rake arguement is valid but if you are consistently achievimg profitable results from satelliting then it is -ve to not play them, ESPECIALLY IF ITS FOR TOURNAMENTS OUTSIDE YOUR BANKROLL.
Sorry Sky, for my 2p the sats are rubbish. I can't believe any decent player can have an edge in 3 and 5 minute sats. I tried one tonight (to try the new main event) and it was a donkfest, shoving with k3, calling with 96 as the blinds increased at epic levels. Back in the day we had a semi-final at 5pm with 10 minute blinds where I believe I did have an edge. I rarely play because of this which is a shame as I would love to play more main events, but the sats at the moment are poor. It's a shame sky doesn't encourage good poker, sats with good blind levels, more mtt's with decent blind levels, sky is a bounty hunters paradise, apart from that it's a bit of a wasteland for the half decent MTT players, like I say just my 2p
Sorry Sky, for my 2p the sats are rubbish. I can't believe any decent player can have an edge in 3 and 5 minute sats. I tried one tonight (to try the new main event) and it was a donkfest, shoving with k3, calling with 96 as the blinds increased at epic levels. Back in the day we had a semi-final at 5pm with 10 minute blinds where I believe I did have an edge. I rarely play because of this which is a shame as I would love to play more main events, but the sats at the moment are poor. It's a shame sky doesn't encourage good poker, sats with good blind levels, more mtt's with decent blind levels, sky is a bounty hunters paradise, apart from that it's a bit of a wasteland for the half decent MTT players, like I say just my 2p Adrian Posted by skicowboys
You've summed up right there why there is an edge. It's gonna be a pretty rare occasion where calling off a shove preflop (particularly in a satellite) with 96 is ever gonna be a good decision. If people are calling with junk like this then we can extend our shoving range to include hands like K3 and we will be getting it in good. If we keep getting it in in spots where we're 60/40, 70/30 etc, and can do that consistently, then that is our edge.
3 improvements to the satellites as they are at the moment that i would make are:
1.have it that when you win a satellite seat it can be used anytime over a set time period(i.e. if i won £11 satellite seat tonight i can use that to enter any £11 tournament over the next month)
2.have satellites with different blind levels from 5-15 minutes
3.have satellites 24/7,if they dont fill just cancel
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Sorry Sky, for my 2p the sats are rubbish.
I can't believe any decent player can have an edge in 3 and 5 minute sats. I tried one tonight (to try the new main event) and it was a donkfest, shoving with k3, calling with 96 as the blinds increased at epic levels.
Back in the day we had a semi-final at 5pm with 10 minute blinds where I believe I did have an edge.
I rarely play because of this which is a shame as I would love to play more main events, but the sats at the moment are poor.
It's a shame sky doesn't encourage good poker, sats with good blind levels, more mtt's with decent blind levels, sky is a bounty hunters paradise, apart from that it's a bit of a wasteland for the half decent MTT players, like I say just my 2p
Adrian
3 improvements to the satellites as they are at the moment that i would make are: