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what do we think of my general line on this hand? Btn is newish to the table not seen anything strange going on yet. Not sure I would have questioned this if I had had a winning session but as I didn't looking through could have maybe saved money here? could c/c river to but I think that allows to many a10 k10 hands to check behind?
feel free to pick apart and insult as you like
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| jams88 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £18.80 | |
| crash48 | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £14.58 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| ulsterfr30 | Fold | ||||
| BigM19 | Fold | ||||
| wayne22827 | Fold | ||||
| Did | Raise | £0.60 | £0.90 | £40.51 | |
| jams88 | Call | £0.50 | £1.40 | £18.30 | |
| crash48 | Call | £0.40 | £1.80 | £14.18 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| jams88 | Check | ||||
| crash48 | Check | ||||
| He | Bet | £1.35 | £3.15 | £39.16 | |
| jams88 | Call | £1.35 | £4.50 | £16.95 | |
| crash48 | Fold | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| jams88 | Check | ||||
| Just | Bet | £3.38 | £7.88 | £35.78 | |
| jams88 | Raise | £7.76 | £15.64 | £9.19 | |
| Own | Call | £4.38 | £20.02 | £31.40 | |
| River | |||||
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| jams88 | All-in | £9.19 | £29.21 | £0.00 | |
| Me | Call | £9.19 | £38.40 | £22.21 | |
| jams88 | Show |
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| ? | Show |
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| Pair of Queens | £36.60 | ||||
Comments
Pre - 3-bet or fold. Calling out of the sb with this sort of hand is a leak.
As played c/c flop, c/c turn, c/f river.
If we are talking as played I don't really agree about the river if we take your line up to the turn as played. When he calls your reraise at turn he clearly has a hand that the jack doesn't overly concerrrn him. He might be thinking about sets, but not the jack. This means your river shove is a stone-cold bluff with not a lot of weight behind it. If he calls the turn like he did he isn't in my opinion often going to fold the river when it is a brick. Even if pot odds look good I'm not sure I want to dump off 50% of my stack on a bluff that I think he is calling quite often given his turn call.
Some people won't lay down overpairs, and in my book if they are willing to spend £8 at turn they won't often fold for £9 at river. So in short you ogt stacked playing a hand you could have folded preflop, or at worst 3bet it and folded to the 4bet you would have got. Personally unless he is fairly loose on the button I'd pick fold.
I'm quite happy with the call preflop tbh we are deep and people are saying its rubbish like its 95o or something. My thinking would be i have a hand that can flop nicely when i call it gives the bb good odds to call so we are liekly taking it 3 way. Obviously oop is a major disadvantage but its a btn open and we have suited gappers. I think i would have preferred a c/c c/c c/c line but maybe i just suck lol
You commetn that the hand is hardly 95os. Well alctually it's not far off. Being suited only adds about 3% to your overall hand strength, and so a suited bad hand is still a bad hand, it just looks nicer. The difference between 95os and J8s is lilke 4-10% depending on the range villian is given. Specific premium hand is 4% difference and against totally random range it is 10% and you would be marginal favourite. Still taht is only one aspect of this hand.
You can really reverse odds, as you can't be certain BB will call even wtih attractive odds. He could fold, or worse squeeze you both with a 3bet. He knows good chance BTN is weak and you didn't 3bet him so can put you on fairly weak hand too. If you were BB with this hand and in same spot with Btn and SB call then sure good odds with the hand. Also if in CO or BTN it's a hand you can raise with.
Also, if playing this hand, much as you said yourself, you are normally playing it to hit somethign better than a pair, or being careful if playing it with a pair only because of the weak kicker. As stateed above your raise at the turn has only two outcomes. They fold worse and call or shove with better. If they shove wilil barely have the odds to call on your flush draw really, and will know the jack alone isn't good enough.
So, I'm not saying your play is horrible, but just calling with this hand willw ooften end with a C/F on the flop and a wasted bit of cash. This is just my opinion, and if you took it personally due to my choice of words, taht was not my intent at all, and I'm sorry. I just think long-term this can turn into a leaky habit. Raise by all means to test out the BTN, but not so much of a fan of calling with this type of hand OOP.
Imo turn is my worst play c/c seems alot better and i understand why just needed the replys to point it out for me lol
Honestly i don't take anything personally don't worry. i repleyed to explain my thinking so it could be further picked apart if wrong. No point posting in the clinic and then crying when somebody tells you your not perfect