What rake % would be taken on a 10 game if the rake was taken from the 10 pounds?
AS 10% of 10 is still 1, and if you take 1 we are now paying a higher rake %
Even if you try the buyin as 9 and add the 10% you get 9.9.
9.1 will give you a rake of .91 which makes it 10.01.
And if you start faffin with more decimals, some prizes could end up decimals of pence, unless organized manually.
I think it is too complicated to do and keep the rake as the 10% added. Otherwise it is 10% deducted in which we would be paying more rake. As we would now be playing 9+1 instead of 10+1.
Sounds like a bad idea to me. Takes rec players maybe a day to realise that tournes are £11 not £10 and they soon get used to it and accept the charge no problem.
Seems bad for Sky aswell, all winning players if they played the same tournies would be losing a couple of percent proffit. Plus all recs who were going to deposit £44 to play 4 £11 tournies are now only depositing £40 to play the same amount.
Sounds like a bad idea to me. Takes rec players maybe a day to realise that tournes are £11 not £10 and they soon get used to it and accept the charge no problem. Seems bad for Sky aswell, all winning players if they played the same tournies would be losing a couple of percent proffit. Plus all recs who were going to deposit £44 to play 4 £11 tournies are now only depositing £40 to play the same amount. Posted by 1267
If you took the 10% rake out of the prize pool the breakeven percentage for dyms would go from 55% to 55.56 % (by my calculations). When you consider a lot of winning regs win percentage is around the 58% mark it really isn't good
It looks like they're trialling Tikay's idea in tonight's Mini. Seems a weird way to go about testing it, as although I'm annoyed the Mini now has a smaller buy-in, I'll still play it if I'm playing the Main. Surely it would be better to just create a new trial tournament to get a gauge on how many people actualy want to play with rounded numbers...
It looks like they're trialling Tikay's idea in tonight's Mini. Seems a weird way to go about testing it, as although I'm annoyed the Mini now has a smaller buy-in, I'll still play it if I'm playing the Main. Surely it would be better to just create a new trial tournament to get a gauge on how many people actualy want to play with rounded numbers... Posted by Wilhelm
Well if that is true, it's news to me, but I don't see why they should not at least try it.
If it does not work, job done, scrap the idea.
It's good to try new concepts, imo, or think a bit left-field now & then. Nothing ventured & all that.
In Response to Re: "£10 MTT entry please". "Fine, that'll be £11". : BOOM! Love those. Friday Fifty Sunday Centurion Sunday Century Century on Sunday Fursday Forty The smaller stuff adapts well, too. The Quick Quid. (Hard to do that @ £1.10). In SNG's.... Ten Bob Turbo I'd better stop there...... Oh wait. What about Rainman's jobbie? Have to move that to 2pm. Posted by Tikay10
No please don't stop micro stakes - Friday farthing ..Sunday sixpence..Thursday thrupence..Tuesday tanner..Friday florin...(bit hefty tht one..save up mi paper round money)..new decimalisation was a con young uns nowadays could benefit greatly in the maths we had to do to work out a 5bob each way on a 13/2 winner ...oh for original question I think leave as is online as the std poker player is used to a reg fee and newbies may get a tad miffed if they play a tourney for 5quid and next go to a 5qd buy inat local casino (I know 5qd is unrealistic for casino but for sake of simplicity suits my point) and they say that's 6qd please,may be off putting. I'm rambling now so i best leave it there.
It looks like they're trialling Tikay's idea in tonight's Mini. Seems a weird way to go about testing it, as although I'm annoyed the Mini now has a smaller buy-in, I'll still play it if I'm playing the Main. Surely it would be better to just create a new trial tournament to get a gauge on how many people actualy want to play with rounded numbers... Posted by Wilhelm
I just had a look at that, & yes, you are correct.
It states....
£4.55 + £0.45
Perhaps it is the start of a trial, I don't know, I don't think it's a huge deal either way.
Yh no harm trialling it but seems a pointless tourney to trial it on. If numbers are way up or down does it really tell you anything considering the unique-ness of this particular sat mini?!
in our home game, if we play a £10 sng [ i know its different to a tournie ] its winner takes all bur the winner puts a fiver in the pot for an annual drink. 6 players, £55 to the winner and £5 "rake". it works a treat and maybe its more easily worked as a sng as to a mtt. thats it. im off to the pub.
In Response to Re: "£10 MTT entry please". "Fine, that'll be £11". : I just had a look at that, & yes, you are correct. It states.... £4.55 + £0.45 Perhaps it is the start of a trial, I don't know, I don't think it's a huge deal either way. Time will tell. Posted by Tikay10
It isn't a huge deal. It's just reducing the buy-in by a fraction. For purely selfish reasons, I'd prefer if the buy-in were increased by a fraction, but that's neither her nor there.
My issue is, how much is anyone going to learn by trialling this idea on an existing product with an established player pool? Not a great deal I suspect, unless you asked everyone who played the tournament for their thoughts afterwards.
In reply to the OP, I don't think it's a terrible idea. Unlikely to really alienate anyone. The benefit of the slighlty reduced rake is negated by the smaller prize pool. However this only really affects consistently winning players, but since this idea seems to be aimed at attracting recreational players, it doesn't matter. I'd still be annoyed if it happened though.
Just a quick point, lads, I'll address it properly over the weekend, as I'm doing other stuff today, but....
There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding on the Thread, & I'd like to correct it before it gains legs, & traction.
As I stated on Page 1 of this Thread, it is NOT about increasing the numbers of runners in any specific Tourney, at least not directly, or in the short term. It's much wider than that, more detail, the general "simple, easy fun" thing.
I used to be really miffed with 'Stars, because they only took deposits in dollars. I thought that was wrong, & I told them so, many times. I can't spend a dollar in Tesco, & I don't carry dollars, why would I have to play poker in dollars? That, of course, was 10 or more years ago. It was a bizarre notion, that I HAD to think in dollars.
Tonight's Mini won't get a single extra runner because of the change, not one. Nor is it expected to.
Wrong tourney to trial it on? Maybe, but how would you or I know that, without the sophisticated analytics & data the Business use?
I did not know they were doing it, & have no idea what they plan to do. But I guarantee you that as a Trial, it will not be based, assessed or measured on a single MTT.
Hope you all have a winning Saturday, I'm gonna be pokering soon, ooooooh. Excited!
Just a quick point, lads, I'll address it properly over the weekend, as I'm doing other stuff today, but.... There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding on the Thread, & I'd like to correct it before it gains legs, & traction. As I stated on Page 1 of this Thread, it is NOT about increasing the numbers of runners in any specific Tourney, at least not directly, or in the short term. It's much wider than that, more detail, the general "simple, easy fun" thing. I used to be really miffed with 'Stars, because they only took deposits in dollars. I thought that was wrong, & I told them so, many times. I can't spend a dollar in Tesco, & I don't carry dollars, why would I have to play poker in dollars? That, of course, was 10 or more years ago. It was a bizarre notion, that I HAD to think in dollars. Tonight's Mini won't get a single extra runner because of the change, not one. Nor is it expected to. Wrong tourney to trial it on? Maybe, but how would you or I know that, without the sophisticated analytics & data the Business use? I did not know they were doing it, & have no idea what they plan to do. But I guarantee you that as a Trial, it will not be based, assessed or measured on a single MTT. Hope you all have a winning Saturday, I'm gonna be pokering soon, ooooooh. Excited! Posted by Tikay10
Its not about looking at sophisticated business data, they are trying it on a 3max tournament which is non standard for the site. Surely you would change one variable rather than change type of tournament (which is picked based on what a few forum regs want for the main, eg a small % of the players that will play the main) and then also change the buy in.
Just a quick point, lads, I'll address it properly over the weekend, as I'm doing other stuff today, but.... There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding on the Thread, & I'd like to correct it before it gains legs, & traction. As I stated on Page 1 of this Thread, it is NOT about increasing the numbers of runners in any specific Tourney, at least not directly, or in the short term. It's much wider than that, more detail, the general "simple, easy fun" thing. I used to be really miffed with 'Stars, because they only took deposits in dollars. I thought that was wrong, & I told them so, many times. I can't spend a dollar in Tesco, & I don't carry dollars, why would I have to play poker in dollars? That, of course, was 10 or more years ago. It was a bizarre notion, that I HAD to think in dollars. Tonight's Mini won't get a single extra runner because of the change, not one. Nor is it expected to. Wrong tourney to trial it on? Maybe, but how would you or I know that, without the sophisticated analytics & data the Business use? I did not know they were doing it, & have no idea what they plan to do. But I guarantee you that as a Trial, it will not be based, assessed or measured on a single MTT. Hope you all have a winning Saturday, I'm gonna be pokering soon, ooooooh. Excited! Posted by Tikay10
Sorry Tony, I caught the wrong end of the stick on this one. Good luck with your pokering.
Afternoon Mr Kendall Why not challenge the "suits" to look at standardising the rake across all levels/games on the site so that everyone is on an equal footing first? On the MTT front I don't mind the current system, it is easy to see how much rake you are paying and where the rake is above 10% then you can avoid it like the plague!!!! Posted by dabossman
+1
I'm with dabossman, standard % of rake on all games
it should be 10% on MTTs whether your putting down 50p or 50 quid.
It's my biggest gripe with Sky that they try and hammer the players who play small stakes by taking a bigger percentage of rake.
Voice this TK and lets have a bit of equality across the board
In Response to Re: "£10 MTT entry please". "Fine, that'll be £11". : +1 I'm with dabossman, standard % of rake on all games it should be 10% on MTTs whether your putting down 50p or 50 quid. It's my biggest gripe with Sky that they try and hammer the players who play small stakes by taking a bigger percentage of rake. Voice this TK and lets have a bit of equality across the board Salazar Posted by salazar
Hi Salazar,
I already offered to start a thread to discuss this, but there were no takers. If by "voice it" you mean start a thread, OK, yes, I'll do it Monday morning.
I doubt I'll convert a soul, but I think many of you might be a bit surprised to see some of the perceived logic.
In Response to Re: "£10 MTT entry please". "Fine, that'll be £11". : Hi Salazar, I already offered to start a thread to discuss this, but there were no takers. If by "voice it" you mean start a thread, OK, yes, I'll do it Monday morning. I doubt I'll convert a soul, but I think many of you might be a bit surprised to see some of the perceived logic. Monday morning, then. Posted by Tikay10
Well I meant voice it to the powers that be who set the limits. I'm sure people on here who play the micro cash and small stakes MTTs would be in agreement but there's not much they or I can do apart from play somewhere else.
However a mention to the powers that be from TK might help
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just suppose that skypoker has an income of £25M a year.
a 1% difference in rake earns £250,000
a 11% difference in rake will earn £2.75M (going to £9+£1)
that's enough to pay for 3D graphics that have the cards rise from the floor.
Seems bad for Sky aswell, all winning players if they played the same tournies would be losing a couple of percent proffit.
Plus all recs who were going to deposit £44 to play 4 £11 tournies are now only depositing £40 to play the same amount.
If it does not work, job done, scrap the idea.
It's good to try new concepts, imo, or think a bit left-field now & then. Nothing ventured & all that.
I just had a look at that, & yes, you are correct.
It states....
£4.55 + £0.45
Perhaps it is the start of a trial, I don't know, I don't think it's a huge deal either way.
Time will tell.
My issue is, how much is anyone going to learn by trialling this idea on an existing product with an established player pool? Not a great deal I suspect, unless you asked everyone who played the tournament for their thoughts afterwards.
Just a quick point, lads, I'll address it properly over the weekend, as I'm doing other stuff today, but....
There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding on the Thread, & I'd like to correct it before it gains legs, & traction.
As I stated on Page 1 of this Thread, it is NOT about increasing the numbers of runners in any specific Tourney, at least not directly, or in the short term. It's much wider than that, more detail, the general "simple, easy fun" thing.
I used to be really miffed with 'Stars, because they only took deposits in dollars. I thought that was wrong, & I told them so, many times. I can't spend a dollar in Tesco, & I don't carry dollars, why would I have to play poker in dollars? That, of course, was 10 or more years ago. It was a bizarre notion, that I HAD to think in dollars.
Tonight's Mini won't get a single extra runner because of the change, not one. Nor is it expected to.
Wrong tourney to trial it on? Maybe, but how would you or I know that, without the sophisticated analytics & data the Business use?
I did not know they were doing it, & have no idea what they plan to do. But I guarantee you that as a Trial, it will not be based, assessed or measured on a single MTT.
Hope you all have a winning Saturday, I'm gonna be pokering soon, ooooooh. Excited!
I already offered to start a thread to discuss this, but there were no takers. If by "voice it" you mean start a thread, OK, yes, I'll do it Monday morning.
I doubt I'll convert a soul, but I think many of you might be a bit surprised to see some of the perceived logic.
Monday morning, then.