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Etiquette
zenbudhist
Member Posts: 144
I'm still fuming .. just been in a tourney i've got K 10, the board trundles along i make broadway by the turn, hold back checking the board then makes broadway, this MORON goes all in, i check for flush possibility, none, call ... and the lines gets shorter ... shorter .. shorter still ...surely not ...aaaargh timed out. So i lose out on a split pot, which is annoying BUT what kind of CLOWN does that? i mean if you were playing in the real world he'd either been laughed out the game or ...lynched
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Clown?
I must be a clown that didnt get lynched then.
I played in a live mtt a while back.
5 way pot. Broadway runs out on the board by the river. I was first to act and being a MORON, went all in.
2 folded
Oh, and I wasn’t the one who got laughed at.
Fuming, MORON, CLOWN, mentally challenged do not sound very Zen like to me?
In am MTT = I shove. I mean you never know, someone might be slow checking their hand and get timed out allowing you to get a better share of the spoils.
As it's against most house rules to not raise acting last with the nuts, I would expect that everyone "playing in the real world" would also make a raise of some kind, and likely all in for maximum "This guy might fold" EV.
They almost certainly wouldn't enforce the rule in a nuts on board situation, but the possibility is still more reason to shove, as if the opportunity for a fold wasn't enough reason already.
I'm not one to nitpick about people using offensive words/phrases normally, but smh. There's several regulars on this forum with severe mental/physical disorders, learning disorders and so on. Have some consideration for others.
If you don't want to be playing people that fold when the nuts are on board, you're lying.
If you want to throw around those kind of labels based on someone's ability at a game that most people are playing for fun, then I would suggest taking a serious look in the mirror, as I think you have far bigger problems than Poker, even more so when those problems concern what other players at the table are doing rather than your own game.
To me, a mentally challenged Poker player is not the derogatory label in the context that you used it, but rather someone who is tilted by something:
1) Entirely out of their control
2) To their benefit when other people fold, and
3) Feels tilted enough by it that they need to complain about it and be abusive on a public forum.
Just something to consider.
Hopefully you're just doing a tilt post and this isn't how you would normally behave towards other people - In which case, I suggest the following book:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mental-Game-Poker-Strategies-Confidence/dp/0615436137
You have the nuts on the turn,so if there's 2 suited cards on the board already,you must be watching and hoping another one of that suit doesn't come on the river,it doesn't,so other player goes all in,you look at the board and it takes about 100th of a second to see the board is the nuts with no flush draws,
The bit I don't understand is what you were doing for the other 12 or 15 seconds that elapsed ,ending up with you getting timed out
Think the original point he was making was he wanted the guy to check so that when he timed out would have chopped. Would have been tilting but just demonstrates why the guy should always shove here
You mentioned the flatting the nuts rule live - have you ever seen this enforced?
Always thought that was open to angle shooting e.g. nuts on board at the river, heads up pot. First to act has £103 behind, stack of £5’s plus some loose £1’s. He ships in the stack of £5’s, saying nothing, and the £1’s are on the table but “accidentally” obscured from view. Other player has £500 behind, assumes guy is all in as cant see any chips, so pushes in a £100 stack. Can first player take the pot?
What about same scenario but no nuts on board, just a cooler where first guy to act has second nuts, and other guy who calls has the nuts?
10000% shove in any MTT for all of the reasons stated above.
I'm struggling to see why you are so wound up by it?
Zen: relaxed and not worrying about things that you cannot change.....
There most certainly is an etiquette that we should not call players "morons" or "clowns".
I've never seen the rule enforced in split pot situations - Whenever it's happened with me at the table, it's a guy just calling with the nuts because they've taken a liking to the other player (Sometimes is +EV to be nice to everyone and not be that guy with the headphones), or because they've not realised their flopped pair of Aces has actually made the nut flush.
In most games I've played, there's normally a warning from the dealer for a first offence because it's just not worth ruining the atmosphere at the table with a floor call in a £20 turbo. I've seen the dealer or another player tell people off a couple of times, but never seen the floor called for it when I've been at the table.
I've only seen a floor call for it on live streams, and read a couple of stories on 2+2 etc. Even when the floor does get called and there's a penalty given, it's always a few hands or an orbit penalty which starts once the current hand ends, they don't kill any of the hands, so the angle you suggested wouldn't be possible.
I'm not sure the rule even applies in cash either, at least not universally, because players could reasonably choose not raising as a strategy to avoid additional rake.
If you maintained it , it wouldnt be an issue, p artist.