Could anyone have folded here?

Toffeeandy · December 2017

1st time I've posted on here but this was a belter; my exit hand from the 9.30pm £10+£1 bounty hunter. I was sitting 6th with 29 remaining, top 16 paid, then this hand happened. Could anyone have got away from this or was I just extremely unlucky? Relatively new to poker (only been playing for about 3 years) so any advice willingly taken, cheers.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SPG	Sit out
Moneycrazy	Small blind		150.00	150.00	19748.00
mullie	Big blind		300.00	450.00	3674.00
	Your hole cards	2 2
Tsaaaar	Fold
pottapoker	Fold
Toffeeandy	Raise		600.00	1050.00	13550.00
Moneycrazy	Call		450.00	1500.00	19298.00
mullie	Fold
Flop
		2 4 4
Moneycrazy	Check
Toffeeandy	Bet		750.00	2250.00	12800.00
Moneycrazy	Call		750.00	3000.00	18548.00
Turn
		A
Moneycrazy	Check
Toffeeandy	Check
River
		K
Moneycrazy	Bet		1500.00	4500.00	17048.00
Toffeeandy	Raise		3900.00	8400.00	8900.00
Moneycrazy	All-in		17048.00	25448.00	0.00
Toffeeandy	All-in		8900.00	34348.00	0.00
Moneycrazy	Unmatched bet		5748.00	28600.00	5748.00
Moneycrazy	Show	A A
Toffeeandy	Show	2 2
Moneycrazy	Win	Full House, Aces and 4s	28600.00		34348.00

K0BAYASHl · December 2017

Just a cooler, You got unlucky. Once you have re raised on river it's hard to fold with 8k behind us.

Toffeeandy · December 2017

Thanks, kinda thought that, I was thinking it was the perfect spot to double up against any ax or kx hand, the only ones I was losing to being aa(!) or kk obviously; or 44 but I wasn't really concerned about that.

K0BAYASHl · December 2017

And a4. But yes, I’m sure if you got dealt this again you are going broke, too many times a player will probably have 45 etc here when they have just flatted your raise pre from the big blinds.

Tikay10 · December 2017

Hi Andy,

Just unlucky.

I think if you fold here, then you are playing way too tight.

Imagine playing YOUR exact hand on THAT exact flop 1,000 times. How often will you run into A-A, 4-4 or A-4? 25 times? 50 times? It wont be often.

You seem to have done very well in the last 2 or 3 months, including winning a Mini UKOPS if I'm not mistaken. Well done.

Shame we don't see more of you on the Forum - if you ever want any poker advice, don't hesitate to post here, & you'll get no end of help & good advice from good players. And me.

Toffeeandy · December 2017

Thanks guys, that helps. I maybe should post for advice a bit more because there are some spots I get in where I'm not sure if I'm playing it properly or whether I could have played it differently.

Yeah Tikay, my results have picked up a bit recently, pretty much since I got married in July but that might just be a coincidence! Time playing is limited, got a 2 year old so have to get her to bed first!

Toffeeandy · December 2017

Tonight's exit hand from the mini ukops b/h, thought I was being a right smart ar$e just calling with JJ..........

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Toffeeandy	Small blind		200.00	200.00	9254.00
Fabsct	Big blind		400.00	600.00	16432.75
	Your hole cards	J J
kevg14	Fold
jalilio	Call		400.00	1000.00	10311.00
darryn1973	Fold
ynwa197525	Fold
Toffeeandy	Call		200.00	1200.00	9054.00
Fabsct	Check
Flop
		Q Q J
Toffeeandy	Check
Fabsct	Check
jalilio	Check
Turn
		6
Toffeeandy	Check
Fabsct	Bet		900.00	2100.00	15532.75
jalilio	Call		900.00	3000.00	9411.00
Toffeeandy	Raise		1800.00	4800.00	7254.00
Fabsct	Fold
jalilio	Call		900.00	5700.00	8511.00
River
		4
Toffeeandy	Bet		3456.00	9156.00	3798.00
jalilio	All-in		8511.00	17667.00	0.00
Toffeeandy	All-in		3798.00	21465.00	0.00
jalilio	Unmatched bet		1257.00	20208.00	1257.00
Toffeeandy	Show	J J
jalilio	Show	J Q
jalilio	Win	Full House, Queens and Jacks	20208.00		21465.00

Toffeeandy · December 2017

A recurring theme, my exit in 6th from the final table of the ukops mini b/h, a very sore one:

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Haz12353	Small blind		3000.00	3000.00	148293.22
Toffeeandy	Big blind		6000.00	9000.00	123032.00
	Your hole cards	7 10
splashies	Fold
darryl1976	Fold
greecyun	Call		6000.00	15000.00	272400.36
Duesenberg	Fold
Haz12353	Fold
Toffeeandy	Check
Flop
		4 Q 7
Toffeeandy	Bet		7500.00	22500.00	115532.00
greecyun	Raise		15000.00	37500.00	257400.36
Toffeeandy	Call		7500.00	45000.00	108032.00
Turn
		10
Toffeeandy	All-in		108032.00	153032.00	0.00
greecyun	Call		108032.00	261064.00	149368.36
Toffeeandy	Show	7 10
greecyun	Show	8 Q
River
		8
greecyun	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 8s	261064.00		410432.36

Toffeeandy · January 2018

It just doesn't stop; you lose, you win, eh no, you lose

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Toffeeandy	Small blind		30.00	30.00	1997.28
theowls29	Big blind		60.00	90.00	9167.50
	Your hole cards	8 K
SAMLIB	Fold
cowhead	Fold
Burgernips	Raise		120.00	210.00	1580.00
Ciaran0512	Call		120.00	330.00	6729.97
Toffeeandy	Call		90.00	420.00	1907.28
theowls29	Call		60.00	480.00	9107.50
Flop
		5 5 K
Toffeeandy	Bet		240.00	720.00	1667.28
theowls29	Raise		480.00	1200.00	8627.50
Burgernips	Fold
Ciaran0512	Fold
Toffeeandy	Raise		540.00	1740.00	1127.28
theowls29	Raise		2340.00	4080.00	6287.50
Toffeeandy	All-in		1127.28	5207.28	0.00
theowls29	Unmatched bet		912.72	4294.56	7200.22
Toffeeandy	Show	8 K
theowls29	Show	5 A
Turn
		K
River
		5
theowls29	Win	Four 5s	4294.56		11494.78

MattBates · January 2018

Not sure if this was the hand where you said moron alert in the chat?

Not sure why you are calling k8o from the sb.
What hand do you expect the opponent to have that we beat with that action?

Toffeeandy · January 2018

Think that was another hand Matt although I can't remember exactly, to be fair if it had been this hand then it could only have been directed at myself the way I butchered the hand. 8 beers down my poker play, and chat etiquette, clearly weren't at their best! All part of the learning curve I suppose.

MattBates · January 2018

Toffeeandy said:
Think that was another hand Matt although I can't remember exactly, to be fair if it had been this hand then it could only have been directed at myself the way I butchered the hand. 8 beers down my poker play, and chat etiquette, clearly weren't at their best! All part of the learning curve I suppose.

Love that analysis! Live and learn

Could anyone have folded here?

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