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GoodBye

robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
edited May 2013 in Poker Chat

after having another awful day , im ready to call it a day.  I hate quitting at somthing i wanted alot but i think its the smart thing to do im fed up of thinking the wrong things, doing the wrong things and in general just being rubbish at poker.  The thing is iv spent alot of time lately on my game and taking away a few good mtt results im as bad as i was before, so how would i ever improve?

In the last month i finish 16th in ukops main event (£400), won 3k rebuy (£1200) and finished 16th in £33 bh (£112) all which i sat'd in for and im still not happy with my play because cash is what i want to be good at, and i love poker but i hate losing and being awful at somthing i tried so hard in. so its not even about money.

I sat there today playing 20nl, trying my hardest to play the best i knew off , and lost 2 stacks , not including the $50 i lost on another site in the money.  I sat that with a face like a slapped somthing and thought whats the point? this isnt enjoyable and prob for the first time i dont think i could become a winning player.

Last thing ! i must say a massive thankyou to the people on sky poker who constantly commented on my hands and offered support through the chat or through a pm, i appreciated that alot so thanks for the time out your grinding to do that! i wish everyone else the best of luck at the tables !

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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited May 2013
    From what you have said it sounds like your doing ok? but if you have the mindset that you need to win every single session you play then you are going to feel disappointed a lot.. it sounds like you maybe need to concentrate on improving your mindset and enjoying playing poker rather than being entirely results orientated? are you in profit on a weekly/monthly basis? because if you are then it would be silly to give up just because you went a few days without winning. Cash is the hardest game to master in my eyes and i have found myself questioning my game after a few losing cash sessions, but you just have to continue improving your game day in day out, but if your consistantly doing well at tournaments and enjoying taking down big cashes then i would suggest stciking to that unless your determined to make poker your full time job 

    whatever you decide good luck
  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,435
    edited May 2013
    In Response to GoodBye:
    after having another awful day , im ready to call it a day.  I hate quitting at somthing i wanted alot but i think its the smart thing to do im fed up of thinking the wrong things, doing the wrong things and in general just being rubbish at poker.  The thing is iv spent alot of time lately on my game and taking away a few good mtt results im as bad as i was before, so how would i ever improve? In the last month i finish 16th in ukops main event (£400), won 3k rebuy (£1200) and finished 16th in £33 bh (£112) all which i sat'd in for and im still not happy with my play because cash is what i want to be good at, and i love poker but i hate losing and being awful at somthing i tried so hard in. so its not even about money. I sat there today playing 20nl, trying my hardest to play the best i knew off , and lost 2 stacks , not including the $50 i lost on another site in the money.  I sat that with a face like a slapped somthing and thought whats the point? this isnt enjoyable and prob for the first time i dont think i could become a winning player. Last thing ! i must say a massive thankyou to the people on sky poker who constantly commented on my hands and offered support through the chat or through a pm, i appreciated that alot so thanks for the time out your grinding to do that! i wish everyone else the best of luck at the tables !
    Posted by robbie1992

    Your 21 and your giving up?? I was 36 when i started and it was a good few years before I started showing a profit (like when I came to sky 3 years ago). Cash is the hardest discipline to master on the site, theres much better players than there used to be, If your good at mtts focus on that. 

  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    edited May 2013
     Everyone has a bad day----everyone has a bad week---- most have a bad month-----some have a bad 6 months---think about giving up when you have a bad year imo

     You are learning mate, if you want to get into cash games, it will cost you money to learn--- luckily, you are a good tournament player, so you can subsidise your cash games while you learn--- there seems to be a new breed of player emerging these days---- we all have to adapt--- they are sneakier than they were, and we have to find a way to combat this--- we will---- next week---lol--gl mate-- floppa whoppa!!
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited May 2013
    robbie how long you been playing cash for?

    cash like others have said is the toughest but also the most rewarding if you stick at long term.Me personally took nearly best part of a year to start winning at cash a little more consistantly.Also as a said on your other thread get the mental game of poker sounds like it`s that side maybe letting you down m8 but gl what you choose to do.
  • ajmiltonajmilton Member Posts: 1,458
    edited May 2013
    Ditto to all above post. 
    Without sounding patronising, may i suggest you read the book, THE MENTAL GAME OF POKER.                             By Jared Tendler and Barry Carter.
    weather you play mtt or cash, it will change your outlook on the game for the better, and enable you to understand the losses and the fortunes of wining.


    Regards Alan.
  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited May 2013
    this is just silly mate, from what i can see from your stats there is nothing wrong with your game as far as mtts go, uve made a tidy wee profit from very few games so i dont no why the defeatist attitude. just leave the cash alone, i cant play cash games and ive accepted it and just play mtts.
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited May 2013

    Robbie, I play an awful lot less than I used to. Once upon a time I played thousands of sit and go's in a year. Nowadays I play a short session every few weeks. On the other hand, I watch, discuss and think about poker a great deal more now than I ever used to. I enjoy that more than I enjoyed playing so much.

    There's no need to just quit playing. Play however much you enjoy. Keep doing what you enjoy and think less about the money. Why not view the game as I do and not worry about ROI, BRM and what not? You don't have to be a grinder, you know.

  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited May 2013
    Iv read the mental game of poker it's a great book I agree but I'm just fed up of benign back at the same place in poker where I feel lost with my game. Fair play to u that can go through a long period of losing and believe ur goig to get better but I just don't have the belief or the method,Iv done the hard work and training sites and it hasn't happened and I was so determined to become a good player. I can't stand being worse then others, if rather not play, then play and lose.  Poker can be the most disheartening game lol

    Iv been playing cash for about 2 years seriously, I was winning at 50nl but dollars on stars, went on a downswing so then come sky and played 20nlvwhile I work hard. But I still struggling and I'm just fed up I'm feel tired out thinking about it and what I can do.

    I don't mind putting time, effort and money into poker, but I have to believe I can achieve somthing and I just don't anymore.
  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    edited May 2013
     It will prove extremely difficult to improve your game with such a negative attitude mate--- cheer up a bit--have fun--- for flop sake--- then your game will improve all by itself--- innit
  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited May 2013
    You dont just jump into 50nl or 20nl expect to win and quit if you dont.

    You start at 4nl and move up when you can beat it over 20k hands or something, you then hit 10nl, you move up again after you beat that etc etc.

    Too many players look for the big bucks too fast without putting in the spade work needed to get them there.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited May 2013
    Im not entirely sure why you'd want to quit.  Maybe you aren't as good as you want to be, but then noone is... everyone wants to win every tournament.

    Looking at your sharkscope, it doesn't make sense.  You're clearly a good MTT player.  I cant stand cash... I'm utterly useless at it.  I'm rubbish in DYMs aswell and turbos and timed tournaments... but they are different versions of the game.  I stick to MTTs because its what i'm good at.  Clearly youre the same.

    On the flipside if youre not enjoying it then yes, I'd advise taking a break - theres no point writing it off altogether.  Take a month or two off without even thinking about poker and come back and play the odd game for fun and see what happens from there.  I've done that recently after a little downswing and have come back and have enjoyed myself since.  Poker is brilliant when you are winning... disheartening when youre not, but take it a little less seriously and i'm sure you'l be better for it.

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited May 2013
    In Response to Re: GoodBye:
    You dont just jump into 50nl or 20nl expect to win and quit if you dont. You start at 4nl and move up when you can beat it over 20k hands or something, you then hit 10nl, you move up again after you beat that etc etc. Too many players look for the big bucks too fast without putting in the spade work needed to get them there.
    Posted by calcalfold
    thats just not quite correct, you dont have to start off at nl4, my mam could beat that level and shes never played cards in her life, if he has the money then nl20 is soft enough to start out on!!
  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited May 2013

    I do ok at 20nl playing part time.

    I had a bad time at the end of last year and felt the same as you.

    I took about 4 months away from poker and came back and am winning again.

    Try a short break rather than giving up completely.

  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited May 2013
    Yeah I think 20nl is fine u want to make some money that's decent. All the things your saying is ur personalitys, my aim was to make money from poker and be good enough to play at a level I wanted, that's not happening and I don't enjoy poker when I'm losing, and I can't find a way to improve so I think I'd be better off not playing. It's not negative it's just a thought out solution, just because u play it doesn't mean ur going to get better it doesn't work like that there's no gtds in poker. That's the exact word disheartened, ill still watch and read about it..... I still need joe staple tons comments in my life haha

    I think cash there's more money to be made. Mtts are very time consuming and not alot of money if u don't go very deep. It makes me more down then up and what's the point in playing when that's he case.

    Thanks for all the opinions tho. That's why the forum is always helpful :)


  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited May 2013
    In Response to Re: GoodBye:
    In Response to Re: GoodBye : thats just not quite correct, you dont have to start off at nl4, my mam could beat that level and shes never played cards in her life, if he has the money then nl20 is soft enough to start out on!!
    Posted by THEROCK573

    Well you can start at it. If you beat it fine.

    But op didnt, so should be starting at 4nl rather than giving up.

    And that later comment is totally disrespectful to us 4nl ers trying to beat 10nl. shame on you
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2013


    Might be worth paying a coach to work with you for a few hours before ja cking it in altogether.

    You must have a few quid left from all the MTT wins. You could use to employ somone as like a 'last chance' kinda thing if you really are serious about quitting, and not just on tilt/overreacting to a bad session.

    Sounds like the 1 thing you haven't yet tried?

    Might cost you £150 or so and not work out, but might be worth a go.

    I know of a couple of people who offer this kinda thing specifically on sky low/mid stakes cash. There's probably others too.

    gl in the future whatever you decide to do.

  • oynutteroynutter Member Posts: 4,773
    edited May 2013
     If we lose at poker, I'm pretty sure it's someone elses fault
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited May 2013
    In Response to Re: GoodBye:
     If we lose at poker, I'm pretty sure it's someone elses fault
    Posted by oynutter
    I blame the parents.
  • bignoise10bignoise10 Member Posts: 567
    edited May 2013
    M8,I aint the best at the game,or ever likely to be but heres my tuppence worth.From whats been said above,you're a decent player and you're havin a bad run at somethin you aint beating.Fwiw stick to your strengths and go from there.whatever you decide,know that it doesnt begin and end with poker.
    Be good.
    Paul
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2013
    In Response to Re: GoodBye:
    Might be worth paying a coach to work with you for a few hours before ja cking it in altogether. You must have a few quid left from all the MTT wins. You could use to employ somone as like a 'last chance' kinda thing if you really are serious about quitting, and not just on tilt/overreacting to a bad session. Sounds like the 1 thing you haven't yet tried? Might cost you £150 or so and not work out, but might be worth a go. I know of a couple of people who offer this kinda thing specifically on sky low/mid stakes cash. There's probably others too. gl in the future whatever you decide to do.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    This!

    GL anyway as there is more to life then poker (dont tell dohhh)
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