These promotions are aimed at people who can play 6 tables plus at one time, and put in long hours.
So for 95% of players are not a realistic goal.
I have seen a few regs playing extra tournies at my level 2.20 deepies.
I like testing myself against good players, and really do not find it a problem.
Advertising is everywhere, you do not have to buy in.
I do agree that it would be nice to have a realistic challenge that I could acheive but Sky as a poker site do a lot to encourage and help players enjoy the game.
P.S Can we have a second 5.50 Mega stack please.
P P S i was watching the Omen last night and hit trip 6s three times in 20 minutes that must be worth a prize surely.
as much as this promotion could encourage more gambling. the people I think will take it too far are the people who generally already have a problem with gambling. it will probably be like the bounty hunters are if head prize is available.
TBH most things in life don't care what happens weather it is football owners not building squads alcohol producers keeping units high in some beers fisherman overfishing or gambing comps doing promos that will get more to play tournaments as long as their buissness is getting money. it is left to us to decide how we do.
So Sky Poker devise another promotion aimed at ALL players to reward the top 20 in each group, depending on how many hands of poker they have played over the w/end. Two words spring to mind - 'responsible gambling'! How can this be applied in this promotion? It is basically asking you to play more MTT's/STT's regardless of your win/lose ratio or BR, as there may be a small financial reward at the end of it. 'Gamble more/spend more' philosophy will not be a good thing for most players IMHO. Yes, there are players on the leader board who have the BR to chuck at this promotion, and it will probably be those who are rewarded in the end too. It is the ones who have not got the BR and will not get anything out of it that worries me. I have started this thread as a DISCUSSION thread, not a moan thread or a them and us thread. I have heard so many going/gone bust stories recently, I hope some good advice/discussions comes from this thread. Posted by MAXALLY
Hi Alan,
By extension, you would prefer that this Promo deliberately EXCLUDED the smaller-rolled players?
Usually the complaint is that they are NOT included.
In Response to THE BIG DEAL - The bigger issue discussion thread. : Hi Alan, By extension, you would prefer that this Promo deliberately EXCLUDED the smaller-rolled players? Usually the complaint is that they are NOT included. At least it is an original angle! Posted by Tikay10
By definition, and why I put the word 'all' in capital letters, is it for all?
I beg to differ. It is another promotion aimed at those who grind 24/7 and to borrow a phrase used by a Sky Poker analyst, have no life.
However, this discussion thread is more to do with the responsible gaming aspect of it all (on either side) than the actual promotion.
Good point Maxally but have to disagree mostly yes it favours the regs but also gives a chance for low rollers to have a bit of fun too and increase their multitabling skills with the incentive of a very high payout (for eg 60p level players a top ten payout would make a huge difference to their bankroll) Also a bit of a sweetner for the DYM regs unhappy about the new rewards system (particularly the high level players) seems like sky are taking note I don't think that many players will overreach themselves in this too many regs to beat but some lower stake players will get a nice boost Now if only I hadn't been nightshift all weekend lol
The best aspect of this promotion is that is over a few days. This increases the likelyhood that the prize positions are occupied by recreational/casual players than the big name regs. I could go on about the merits of this promotion, and others, but Smitalos puts across some really good points so no need to reiterate them.
With regards to responsibile gambling, I don't know of any other site that allows you to self exclude from Betting/Vegas/Bingo areas of the site. These sections of the website are easy to find and the SkyBet twitter accounts regularly promote them too.
Also speaking as an analyst, I can tell you that one of the major features of Sky Poker TV is to promote responsibie behaviour on Sky Poker.
Blimey this has got a bit out of hand. I do agree with the comments re self exclusion being transparent and easy to ensure you dont tilt off loads of money in sky vegas etc (as I have done in the past but will never again!)
But Smitalos to have a go at hoggers one of the most mild mannered on the site is a bit harsh (even if he is a spud). He's got a sense of humour and your post came across as patronising to not just hoggers but all lower stakes players.
Ohh by the way how did your 100k challenge work out .
Forgive me if this post isn't one of my best but I'm grinding away.
Responsible gambling aspect of the thread
For brevity I will be blunt. If people are going to blow their rolls and their living money, they're going to do it while gambling is accessible and legal. It's going to have to be a much bigger incentive than this or any promotion I've seen on Sky to be the primary cause of someone going bust. Of course someone could and might well blame this for doing their monthly food budget, it doesn't make it so. People either go into a mental place or have that psychological make up where they are susceptible to this. Maybe they are in dire financial circumstances and are gambling to get out of a hole, maybe they are addicted to gambling or maybe they are self destructive. Since the day one caveman bet another caveman one shiny rock on a clubbing contest, gambling and gambling addiction has been a part of society. Now legalised gambling, such as online poker on SkyPoker, is part of the legal vice side of business. As such, and much like tobacco and alcohol manufacturers who serve this country, have legal requirements which they must meet (such as the Responsible Gambling rules for self exclusion etc). Every opportunity is given for someone who has a problem with gambling to be helped (as I have stated in my Diary, I used to do a chunk on Blackjack online, I was very happy that Sky allowed me to self exclude just from the online casino, and it was one of the first I came across to let you exclude from one product of a multi gaming wallet).
Now it's very easy for me to transfer my roll and open another account on another online casino and do everything I have on Blackjack. The fact is I recognised I had a problem. If that didn't happen, no responsible gambling in the world would have stopped me. There is a burden of responsibility for any Adult to look at themselves.
Does this promotion encourage irresponsible gaming? Not a jot IMO. Yes some people might have a spin at it and might lose some more money than they normally do, but they are just as likely to play higher because they fancy it, play more because they are in the mood etc etc.
The Harshness Of Poker
Sometimes when I do the weekly shop I'm spending money which was formerly for another family to spend on their weekly shop. It's not pleasant but I don't fel an ounce of guilt. I'm yet to play a game of poker when one of the opponents have a gun next to their head. People need to take responsibility for their actions and not scrabble for an outside source to blame when everything goes belly up.
The Promotion and SkyPoker Specifically
Yes the majority of promotions on Skypoker and any online poker site revolve around increased volume. Obviously, it's a business and to pay out the extras they need extras coming in. It's business sense. SkyPoker IMO do much more giveaways than any other site I have played on. The DTD has had added value for years, hundreds of free seats have been given out on the TV channel and on the forum, plenty of freerolls and some micro sats for big events which they know are likely to have overlay.
This promotion is neither big enough or attractive enough to encourage anyone to gamble irresponsibly to any level grater than an argument with the missus or a night on the ale will encourage you to play more. What this promo is doing is offering a spin for some semi-regs, some added value for recs who will take up many of the lower ladder money spots and give regs a bonus to shoot for.
Now recently C4P changed to rewards. More money goes to recreational and small stakes players. Look at my posts, I said it was 100% the right thing to do. I personally lose out if I continue to grind at the same level as before. I said I was fine with that because it was the right move for the liquidity of the site and for the poker economy. I lose out on the 3 month Priority club bonus, I take it on the chin, it's the right thing to do. So when a promo comes along which not only gives the STT playerpool the start of a shot in the arm it needs and will reward a grinder such as myself if they put in the time and not insignificant effort, yes I'm going to jump at it as not only is it a challenge (I love challenges) it counter balances some of the changes for those willing to work at them.
And I see people saying this is wrong. I see people saying I'm being greedy. I see people say I have no life.
Have a wild guess what my reaction to that is. I have earned my stripes in poker. It's been a long and bumpy road. I'm not sorry for one bit of added value I get because of it.
Holy moley, Scotty actually agrees with me?! Buh-buh-whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!
"LADS, party round mine!!.......... -------- I know guys I couldn't believe it either, I had to double take and everthing too, I mean....... -------- Well maybe he's turned a new leaf guys. That or he's just high? idfk......... -------- Well that's not very nice, I think RyRy is an adorable little nickname. ^^"
Anywhoooooo, yeah. Promos doing what they said on the tin. If you have an ethical problem with one based on the premise of 'wanting people to but in more volume to generate more rake', you essentially have a problem with them all, and as such, I see no problem with the promotion from that standpoint.
) But Smitalos to have a go at hoggers one of the most mild mannered on the site is a bit harsh (even if he is a spud). He's got a sense of humour and your post came across as patronising to not just hoggers but all lower stakes players. Ohh by the way how did your 100k challenge work out . Posted by ACEGOONER
"Oh it was just banter man" - Said every *insert crude name here*, ever.
'True' banter is between friends, often with SOME indication that the needle was sarcastic, or at the very least non threatening, and usually well within the comfort levels of both parties. And I thought banter had to be funny too? Or just me? Never met Gregg, and I don't care much for keeping it that way.
Note the fact that he SNAP-deleted his comment within 5mins of posting it. The guilty don't flee. Just sayin'.
And it went well enough to subsequently get refused action for another round, sir. I offered up the same prop, to the same individuals. The fact that 2 out of the 3 declined (and 1 meh), along with the fact that no-one else wants to step-in and take me up on it, speaks volumes, imo.
Holy moley, Scotty actually agrees with me?! Buh-buh-whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! "LADS, party round mine!!.......... -------- I know guys I couldn't believe it either, I had to double take and everthing too, I mean....... -------- Well maybe he's turned a new leaf guys. That or he's just high? idfk......... -------- Well that's not very nice, I think RyRy is an adorable little nickname. ^^" Anywhoooooo, yeah. Promos doing what they said on the tin. If you have an ethical problem with one based on the premise of 'wanting people to but in more volume to generate more rake', you essentially have a problem with them all, and as such, I see no problem with the promotion from that standpoint. In Response to Re: THE BIG DEAL - The bigger issue discussion thread. : "Oh it was just banter man" - Said every *insert crude name here*, ever. 'True' banter is between friends, often with SOME indication that the needle was sarcastic, or at the very least non threatening, and usually well within the comfort levels of both parties. And I thought banter had to be funny too? Or just me? Never met Gregg, and I don't care much for keeping it that way. Note the fact that he SNAP-deleted his comment within 5mins of posting it. The guilty don't flee. Just sayin'. And it went well enough to subsequently get refused action for another round, sir. I offered up the same prop, to the same individuals. The fact that 2 out of the 3 declined (and 1 meh), along with the fact that no-one else wants to step-in and take me up on it, speaks volumes, imo. Posted by Smitalos
You didn't seem to be the sensitive type... I have watched your videos and you make many comments about other sky players on your videos that could be deemed offensive to them... I do enjoy your videos though and understand the comments are tongue-in-cheek.
Maybe, however, I misjudged you and you are crying about my "fat" comment.. in which case I apologise...
Holy moley, Scotty actually agrees with me?! Buh-buh-whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! "LADS, party round mine!!.......... -------- I know guys I couldn't believe it either, I had to double take and everthing too, I mean....... -------- Well maybe he's turned a new leaf guys. That or he's just high? idfk......... -------- Well that's not very nice, I think RyRy is an adorable little nickname. ^^" Anywhoooooo, yeah. Promos doing what they said on the tin. If you have an ethical problem with one based on the premise of 'wanting people to but in more volume to generate more rake', you essentially have a problem with them all, and as such, I see no problem with the promotion from that standpoint. In Response to Re: THE BIG DEAL - The bigger issue discussion thread. : "Oh it was just banter man" - Said every *insert crude name here*, ever. 'True' banter is between friends, often with SOME indication that the needle was sarcastic, or at the very least non threatening, and usually well within the comfort levels of both parties. And I thought banter had to be funny too? Or just me? Never met Gregg, and I don't care much for keeping it that way. Note the fact that he SNAP-deleted his comment within 5mins of posting it. The guilty don't flee. Just sayin'. And it went well enough to subsequently get refused action for another round, sir. I offered up the same prop, to the same individuals. The fact that 2 out of the 3 declined (and 1 meh), along with the fact that no-one else wants to step-in and take me up on it, speaks volumes, imo. Posted by Smitalos
Perhaps after he read what he typed he thought it would come across the wrong way, which things on forums often do. You should give him the benefit of any doubt.
As for your challenge, you are being vague did you or didnt you complete it.
In Response to AceGoober and RyRy Reply : You didn't seem to be the sensitive type... I have watched your videos and you make many comments about other sky players on your videos that could be deemed offensive to them... I do enjoy your videos though and understand the comments are tongue-in-cheek. Maybe, however, I misjudged you and you are crying about my "fat" comment.. in which case I apologise... Anyhow.. let's move on... Posted by GREGHOGG
"btw- perhaps the local fast food shops where you live shouldn't encourage you, then you wouldn't be so fat!"
Needles - Soft playful little digs (like my RyRy comment, up top) Banter - Similar thing between friends, as well as it being obvious that the parties are messing around.
This was just an insult, or what seemed like a crude attempt at one. I know I'm overweight, and I even pointed to my belly in my vlogs! :P What I do have a problem with, is your intent with the post, and if that's what you genuinely consider 'banter', essentially just insulting a stranger, I cringe at what your 'mate-banter' is like. Anywho, gg sir, I'll leave my comments there and I look forward to sitting at your table in the upcoming SPTs.
EDIT: P.S. Scotty's a luckbox. [jelly]
Super EDIT: Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned man. Your solid rep proceeds you, prolly wasn't malicious. See you at the tables sir. Oh and Ace, if you count 6 months on from August, that would make it.... Yep, yes the prop is finished. Ops scooped due to unforeseen circumstances I offered them a rematch, to which they declined (OI OI!) Why arn't you just PM'ing me about this? :P Poor attempt at making me look like a donk bro, D+, Must try harder.
In Response to Re: THE BIG DEAL - The bigger issue discussion thread. : Great contribution to a discussion thread....NOT. If you have nothing to add.....just STFU...(please) Posted by MAXALLY
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MOD HAT ON
I've had a quick glance through, will read fully later and reply to OP. But I am seeing some sniping and personal stuff in some of the posts.
Chill the Fozzy Bear down now, nothing personal, no insults and discuss OP.
MODDING OFF.
These promotions are aimed at people who can
play 6 tables plus at one time, and put in long hours.
So for 95% of players are not a realistic goal.
I have seen a few regs playing extra tournies at my
level 2.20 deepies.
I like testing myself against good players, and really do not
find it a problem.
Advertising is everywhere, you do not have to buy in.
I do agree that it would be nice to have a realistic challenge
that I could acheive but Sky as a poker site do a lot to encourage
and help players enjoy the game.
P.S Can we have a second 5.50 Mega stack please.
P P S i was watching the Omen last night and hit trip 6s three times in 20
minutes that must be worth a prize surely.
Daggers.
it will probably be like the bounty hunters are if head prize is available.
TBH most things in life don't care what happens weather it is football owners not building squads alcohol producers keeping units high in some beers fisherman overfishing or gambing comps doing promos that will get more to play tournaments as long as their buissness is getting money.
it is left to us to decide how we do.
Hi Alan,
By extension, you would prefer that this Promo deliberately EXCLUDED the smaller-rolled players?
Usually the complaint is that they are NOT included.
At least it is an original angle!
Also a bit of a sweetner for the DYM regs unhappy about the new rewards system (particularly the high level players) seems like sky are taking note
I don't think that many players will overreach themselves in this too many regs to beat but some lower stake players will get a nice boost
Now if only I hadn't been nightshift all weekend lol
Responsible gambling aspect of the thread
For brevity I will be blunt. If people are going to blow their rolls and their living money, they're going to do it while gambling is accessible and legal. It's going to have to be a much bigger incentive than this or any promotion I've seen on Sky to be the primary cause of someone going bust. Of course someone could and might well blame this for doing their monthly food budget, it doesn't make it so. People either go into a mental place or have that psychological make up where they are susceptible to this. Maybe they are in dire financial circumstances and are gambling to get out of a hole, maybe they are addicted to gambling or maybe they are self destructive. Since the day one caveman bet another caveman one shiny rock on a clubbing contest, gambling and gambling addiction has been a part of society. Now legalised gambling, such as online poker on SkyPoker, is part of the legal vice side of business. As such, and much like tobacco and alcohol manufacturers who serve this country, have legal requirements which they must meet (such as the Responsible Gambling rules for self exclusion etc). Every opportunity is given for someone who has a problem with gambling to be helped (as I have stated in my Diary, I used to do a chunk on Blackjack online, I was very happy that Sky allowed me to self exclude just from the online casino, and it was one of the first I came across to let you exclude from one product of a multi gaming wallet).
Now it's very easy for me to transfer my roll and open another account on another online casino and do everything I have on Blackjack. The fact is I recognised I had a problem. If that didn't happen, no responsible gambling in the world would have stopped me. There is a burden of responsibility for any Adult to look at themselves.
Does this promotion encourage irresponsible gaming? Not a jot IMO. Yes some people might have a spin at it and might lose some more money than they normally do, but they are just as likely to play higher because they fancy it, play more because they are in the mood etc etc.
The Harshness Of Poker
Sometimes when I do the weekly shop I'm spending money which was formerly for another family to spend on their weekly shop. It's not pleasant but I don't fel an ounce of guilt. I'm yet to play a game of poker when one of the opponents have a gun next to their head. People need to take responsibility for their actions and not scrabble for an outside source to blame when everything goes belly up.
The Promotion and SkyPoker Specifically
Yes the majority of promotions on Skypoker and any online poker site revolve around increased volume. Obviously, it's a business and to pay out the extras they need extras coming in. It's business sense. SkyPoker IMO do much more giveaways than any other site I have played on. The DTD has had added value for years, hundreds of free seats have been given out on the TV channel and on the forum, plenty of freerolls and some micro sats for big events which they know are likely to have overlay.
This promotion is neither big enough or attractive enough to encourage anyone to gamble irresponsibly to any level grater than an argument with the missus or a night on the ale will encourage you to play more. What this promo is doing is offering a spin for some semi-regs, some added value for recs who will take up many of the lower ladder money spots and give regs a bonus to shoot for.
Now recently C4P changed to rewards. More money goes to recreational and small stakes players. Look at my posts, I said it was 100% the right thing to do. I personally lose out if I continue to grind at the same level as before. I said I was fine with that because it was the right move for the liquidity of the site and for the poker economy. I lose out on the 3 month Priority club bonus, I take it on the chin, it's the right thing to do. So when a promo comes along which not only gives the STT playerpool the start of a shot in the arm it needs and will reward a grinder such as myself if they put in the time and not insignificant effort, yes I'm going to jump at it as not only is it a challenge (I love challenges) it counter balances some of the changes for those willing to work at them.
And I see people saying this is wrong. I see people saying I'm being greedy. I see people say I have no life.
Have a wild guess what my reaction to that is. I have earned my stripes in poker. It's been a long and bumpy road. I'm not sorry for one bit of added value I get because of it.
as no-one else has mentioed it.
"LADS, party round mine!!..........
--------
I know guys I couldn't believe it either, I had to double take and everthing too, I mean.......
--------
Well maybe he's turned a new leaf guys. That or he's just high? idfk.........
--------
Well that's not very nice, I think RyRy is an adorable little nickname. ^^"
Anywhoooooo, yeah. Promos doing what they said on the tin. If you have an ethical problem with one based on the premise of 'wanting people to but in more volume to generate more rake', you essentially have a problem with them all, and as such, I see no problem with the promotion from that standpoint.
In Response to Re: THE BIG DEAL - The bigger issue discussion thread.: "Oh it was just banter man" - Said every *insert crude name here*, ever.
'True' banter is between friends, often with SOME indication that the needle was sarcastic, or at the very least non threatening, and usually well within the comfort levels of both parties. And I thought banter had to be funny too? Or just me? Never met Gregg, and I don't care much for keeping it that way.
Note the fact that he SNAP-deleted his comment within 5mins of posting it.
The guilty don't flee. Just sayin'.
And it went well enough to subsequently get refused action for another round, sir. I offered up the same prop, to the same individuals. The fact that 2 out of the 3 declined (and 1 meh), along with the fact that no-one else wants to step-in and take me up on it, speaks volumes, imo.
As for your challenge, you are being vague did you or didnt you complete it.
Needles - Soft playful little digs (like my RyRy comment, up top)
Banter - Similar thing between friends, as well as it being obvious that the parties are messing around.
This was just an insult, or what seemed like a crude attempt at one. I know I'm overweight, and I even pointed to my belly in my vlogs! :P What I do have a problem with, is your intent with the post, and if that's what you genuinely consider 'banter', essentially just insulting a stranger, I cringe at what your 'mate-banter' is like. Anywho, gg sir, I'll leave my comments there and I look forward to sitting at your table in the upcoming SPTs.
EDIT: P.S. Scotty's a luckbox. [jelly]
Super EDIT: Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned man. Your solid rep proceeds you, prolly wasn't malicious. See you at the tables sir. Oh and Ace, if you count 6 months on from August, that would make it.... Yep, yes the prop is finished. Ops scooped due to unforeseen circumstances
I offered them a rematch, to which they declined (OI OI!) Why arn't you just PM'ing me about this? :P Poor attempt at making me look like a donk bro, D+, Must try harder.