Yeah, didn't even think about pre-flop tbh. I do like a ship pre given his stack size.
I am suggesting we bet small on the flop btw NColley, just think it's miles easier to stack him with 3 small bets, than to check then mash the pot button.
In Response to Re: tv hand told by TK to post it for debate. : Of course. Devon plays almost all of his poker at 5p levels, sometimes 2p-4p, sometimes 10p. I think it essential that he follows the basic fundamentals of poker at these levels. He can do the fancy dancing stuff if & when he wants, but I can't help with that, I just try to instil good basics, in this case...... Try to take the initiative in a hand. Be the aggressor where possible. Got a good hand? Bet it. Keep it simple. Etc. Level 2 3 & 4 stuff is way beyond me, but I genuinely believe we should be sticking to good, solid, basic fundamentals at these levels, & try to minimise FPS. The specific hand in question is really irrelevant, of course. I may of course be wrong, but those are my personal views. Posted by Tikay10
Lol at this stuff is beyond you, you hustling?
I agree good basics and minimising fps, vital esp at micros. But the question on the flop needs to be "how can I get all (or as much as possible) of his chips". Whether that involves taking initiative and being the aggressor is a secondary concern (although in general the bit I bolded is good advice), maximising value is the key here. If you think betting does this bet. If you think checking and getting money in over two streets is more likely to achieve this check
In Response to Re: tv hand told by TK to post it for debate. : Lol at this stuff is beyond you, you hustling? I agree good basics and minimising fps, vital esp at micros. But the question on the flop needs to be "how can I get all (or as much as possible) of his chips". Whether that involves taking initiative and being the aggressor is a secondary concern (although in general the bit I bolded is good advice), maximising value is the key here. If you think betting does this bet. If you think checking and getting money in over two streets is more likely to achieve this check Posted by grantorino
Anyone even considered if betting or checking is better for our range. As pointed out earlier across 10,000 hands. What else do you flat 3 bets with IP and if checked to - should you bet. Now there's an argument for betting, but with no history or dynamic this kinda becomes redundant. It's readless at micros, how do we maximise our value should be our main concern against players that only think level 1.
Seems no one has even put forward a logical argument as to why dev should bet apart from the fact that he has a big hand.
Matters a lot if dev is the PFA or not - ip or oop - and effective stack
Telling someone to just bet bet bet is bad advice imo
One thing I would say is, if your are opening or 3 betting at micro's then you do always bet.....unless you flop quads )
Think fundamental's like value betting are good to work on, but somtimes you just gotta think pokerz, what are our options and pick the correct one.
Gotta add that the biggest fundemental element missing is assigning ranges to the 3 bettor from the bb. If your not thinking about what your oppo has than you not better than the rest at micros, ie looking at your own cards and nothing else. To beat micros you need to be at least thinking level 2.
not overly worried about 2clubs tbh.. vs a 50bb stack and floppin a set i 100% wanna get the money in the middle.. if i chck and a club comes so be it im still goin with it..but to be honest doubt villan 3bets then chcks FD..
im solely chcking behin as villan neva gonna call 3 with less than an ace but may spaaz or get worse in after we chck.. this hand is changes due to villan stack size and the 3bet/chck on flop, this is a clear check behin imo
Surely with the 2 clubs on flop you bet whatever stack they have. Why check when ahead, then get money in when potentially behind?? In cash i'm betting here 100% of the time. Posted by donkeyplop
Do you really think oppo is 3 betting from the bb sc's and if so they aint' going to be checking after aggro factor 10 with sc's What percentage of oppo range consist of specifically xcxc with so little behind it's not even worth considering the FD to be a worry, infact a club coming is more of cue for oppo to bluff
Players ever c/f on an a high flop in a 3bet pot [] We can bet small to build the pot while still giving him sp az equity, we get value from JJ-KK which seem the most likely holdings. I don't mind checking otf cos villain is short stacked in a 3bet pot, but I'm still more inclined to bet small Posted by percival09
yea but probs only one street of value from JJ-KK if that sometimes they'll jjus c/fold after A on board ...but chck , they may give us action no??!??! seems so simple this is correct
Players ever c/f on an a high flop in a 3bet pot [] We can bet small to build the pot while still giving him sp az equity, we get value from JJ-KK which seem the most likely holdings. I don't mind checking otf cos villain is short stacked in a 3bet pot, but I'm still more inclined to bet small Posted by percival09
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I am suggesting we bet small on the flop btw NColley, just think it's miles easier to stack him with 3 small bets, than to check then mash the pot button.
I know,it's great init,even got TK involved
should 'ave done it years ago. lol
seriously,ty to everyone who's posted.
I think this is pretty much done with now,
result; bet the flop smaller in future,every time.
see you on mastercash again,next week.(loving all this.)
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Anyone even considered if betting or checking is better for our range.
As pointed out earlier across 10,000 hands. What else do you flat 3 bets with IP and if checked to - should you bet.
Now there's an argument for betting, but with no history or dynamic this kinda becomes redundant.
It's readless at micros, how do we maximise our value should be our main concern against players that only think level 1.
Seems no one has even put forward a logical argument as to why dev should bet apart from the fact that he has a big hand.
Matters a lot if dev is the PFA or not - ip or oop - and effective stack
Telling someone to just bet bet bet is bad advice imo
One thing I would say is, if your are opening or 3 betting at micro's then you do always bet.....unless you flop quads )
Think fundamental's like value betting are good to work on, but somtimes you just gotta think pokerz, what are our options and pick the correct one.
Gotta add that the biggest fundemental element missing is assigning ranges to the 3 bettor from the bb.
If your not thinking about what your oppo has than you not better than the rest at micros, ie looking at your own cards and nothing else. To beat micros you need to be at least thinking level 2.
Unfortunately for me yesterday I lost every single big hand
In the long run however you make more money this way.
And yeah OP is v a shorty.
EDIT ^ Sigh, beat me.
Why check when ahead, then get money in when potentially behind??
In cash i'm betting here 100% of the time.
What percentage of oppo range consist of specifically xcxc
with so little behind it's not even worth considering the FD to be a worry, infact a club coming is more of cue for oppo to bluff
actually prefer the shove pre