In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary) : Yeah think thats in my thinking anyway. I just cant win anything at the minute.... nothing. Never in my life have I lost so many 70/30, 60/40 or even 50/50 flips in such a short period. I know I could have saved myself 1 buy in tonight which was total spew not long after my JJs got done by the 10s after he 5 bet shipped it - argument for folding yes but villain is much less inclined to do it this deep with AA/KK and its much more likely to be AK/QQ/1010. Took a gamble. I was right, but it didnt pay off. Havent cashed in an MTT in a week now either. Times are tough. Posted by gazza127
variance can be brutal. but when we decide to take a gamble we make it worse. because variance on gambles is much higher than on our normal play. feel free to chill and come back refreshed. or continue playing but grit the teeth and play your A game - no gambles. I got crippled in the sun night primo having been top 20% for a couple of hours when i decided his shove was weak so i called - nope it was AA. If variance is biting reduce it - either by playing less or by playing tighter.
Brutal for me to say it... I'm really not trying to be harsh but I did warn you.
Chances are you're not doing anything different from a week or two ago but that's how brutal the game can be. Just gotta try not to let it get to you (which is WAY easier said than done) and just slog it out. I'd say reduce number of tables but think you said you only play 2, maybe step down a level or two
Brutal for me to say it... I'm really not trying to be harsh but I did warn you. Chances are you're not doing anything different from a week or two ago but that's how brutal the game can be. Just gotta try not to let it get to you (which is WAY easier said than done) and just slog it out. I'd say reduce number of tables but think you said you only play 2, maybe step down a level or two Posted by Lambert180
Mate tbh this has nothing to do with cash.
That one session was bad yes but in general im doing quite well in it. This is solely down to tournaments... tournaments which i usually play... tournaments which i usually do ok in.... tournaments that I havent managed a single cash in about a week - probably about 70 of them.
So dropping down a level etc, relating to cash is kinda not the point here. FWIW im dropping cash at the minute anyway cause i think its screwing with my MTT game somewhat.
Dont really need/want the 'I told you so post' atm mate. Not feeling it even if its well-intended.
In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary) : variance can be brutal. but when we decide to take a gamble we make it worse. because variance on gambles is much higher than on our normal play. feel free to chill and come back refreshed. or continue playing but grit the teeth and play your A game - no gambles. I got crippled in the sun night primo having been top 20% for a couple of hours when i decided his shove was weak so i called - nope it was AA. If variance is biting reduce it - either by playing less or by playing tighter. glgl keep the faith Posted by GELDY
Yeah took a gamble on that hand... but villain dependant using reads. If I start folding spots like these everytime then my game becomes so much more exploitable.
Not saying youre wrong. I probably should play tighter and more ABC poker than I am at the minute, but i think i still go broke in 95% of the same spots. We shall see over the coming days/weeks.
In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary) : Yeah took a gamble on that hand... but villain dependant using reads. If I start folding spots like these everytime then my game becomes so much more exploitable. Not saying youre wrong. I probably should play tighter and more ABC poker than I am at the minute, but i think i still go broke in 95% of the same spots. We shall see over the coming days/weeks. Posted by gazza127
and i'm sure those reads are good - but the problem at the moment is not the reads but the downswing. moving to a lower variance form of the game is a good idea if the downswing is a problem. and even if it may be less than your normal +ev that doesn't matter as long as it reduces the variance. either don't play or play abc. once results start improving you can resume your normal play - but until then you need to chill and limit losses.
In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary) : and i'm sure those reads are good - but the problem at the moment is not the reads but the downswing. moving to a lower variance form of the game is a good idea if the downswing is a problem. and even if it may be less than your normal +ev that doesn't matter as long as it reduces the variance. either don't play or play abc. once results start improving you can resume your normal play - but until then you need to chill and limit losses. Posted by GELDY
I hate reading these sorts of things, because really a lot of it is just coming from the way we're thinking - which might not always be rational.
Thought I'd take a quick look at your Sharkscope to see how bad the MTTs have been treating you. If you take the last week then yes it looks pretty brutal, and as you say you've lost the vast majority of flips etc. But winning maybe one of these big flips and we can get a big spike.
If you look at your results relative to where you were 10 days ago, you're break-even. Being break-even when we're way behind on variance is a decent result! If you look at your results relative to where you were on 1st September then you're doing great!!
Point is, the base point is pretty arbitrary, all that matters is that you're a winning player. As long as you keep doing what you've been doing up until now, you should be fine. Don't start taking unecessary gambles to try to chase that streak. Changing a winning formula would not be advisable.
It could be worse Gazza, you could be about to lose your star on Sharkscope
It has been a pretty brutal week for ya, but I'm not really in a position to offer great advice as you well know.
You're clearly still putting in decent volume, so should soon turn it around if you try and keep playing your normal game. I'm sure even MattBates has lean periods..... Ok thats a lie but you know what I mean. Variance can be harsh but it won't keep a good player like yourself down for too long.
I wish I could keep playing like you do; 7 tournaments in 4 days for me (couldn't even bring myself to buy into the ME tonight and face chucking another £33 down the drain!) compared to almost 40 for yourself. Stick at it, keep making logical decisions, and let the good times roll.
I also think a break is also a feasible alternative, but you know....
Gazza! I hate reading these sorts of things, because really a lot of it is just coming from the way we're thinking - which might not always be rational. Thought I'd take a quick look at your Sharkscope to see how bad the MTTs have been treating you. If you take the last week then yes it looks pretty brutal, and as you say you've lost the vast majority of flips etc. But winning maybe one of these big flips and we can get a big spike. If you look at your results relative to where you were 10 days ago, you're break-even. Being break-even when we're way behind on variance is a decent result! If you look at your results relative to where you were on 1st September then you're doing great!! Point is, the base point is pretty arbitrary, all that matters is that you're a winning player. As long as you keep doing what you've been doing up until now, you should be fine. Don't start taking unecessary gambles to try to chase that streak. Changing a winning formula would not be advisable. Hope it turns, sure it will. Posted by bbMike
Thanks for the post. You always seem to post constructive comments and put variance/whatever it is back in perspective. The rest of this lost just witter on .
Yeah im hoping for it to turn around asap with UKOPS right round the corner and the possibility of SPT. One win puts all this to bed, as usual... its just difficult when you hit the tables and your consistently losing what seems like every single hand (obv not).
Just wondering if the winning formula has changed in the last week. Perhaps i got a bit too aggressive as my September results were very good and I just assumed theyd continue. Hmmmm i dunno. I'm not playing tomorrow as the footy is on. I'll be back on for the rebuy main on wednesday - one I quite like as if I lose a flip I can just re-enter! Watch out BR here I come!!
It could be worse Gazza, you could be about to lose your star on Sharkscope It has been a pretty brutal week for ya, but I'm not really in a position to offer great advice as you well know. You're clearly still putting in decent volume, so should soon turn it around if you try and keep playing your normal game. I'm sure even MattBates has lean periods..... Ok thats a lie but you know what I mean. Variance can be harsh but it won't keep a good player like yourself down for too long. I wish I could keep playing like you do; 7 tournaments in 4 days for me (couldn't even bring myself to buy into the ME tonight and face chucking another £33 down the drain!) compared to almost 40 for yourself. Stick at it, keep making logical decisions, and let the good times roll. I also think a break is also a feasible alternative, but you know.... Posted by hhyftrftdr
Some of us have never got a star...
Not all of us can just win the primo and get one!
Think I might be putting in too much volume tbh. Urgh lost a flip - out... load another tournament. Urgh lost a flip - out... load another tournament. When youre not running well those tournaments swiftly add up and so does the loses. Think I might need to get into the habit of, when I do get knocked, taking a look to see if i really want to play another or am I just doing it cause i feel cheated... Being more selective too would probably help.
In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary) : Some of us have never got a star... Not all of us can just win the primo and get one! Think I might be putting in too much volume tbh. Urgh lost a flip - out... load another tournament. Urgh lost a flip - out... load another tournament. When youre not running well those tournaments swiftly add up and so does the loses. Think I might need to get into the habit of, when I do get knocked, taking a look to see if i really want to play another or am I just doing it cause i feel cheated... Being more selective too would probably help. Posted by gazza127
Yeah you won't be getting any grammar stars either
Rumour has it youre a freelance travel agent who helps people book flights to the US/Canada ahem* and can sort out broke forum regs with cheap flights.
Yeah one thing someone suggested to me ages ago for MTTs is to have like a set schedule for the night, so pick whatever it is you wanna play (probably only about 4 MTTs of a night on here), if you bust them all then just call it a night, rather than flicking it in to loads of rubbish MTTs cos you have nothing else to play.
Right here goes. Tommy has offered his advice on some hands if I post them in here.... so heres a look at my exit hands/biggest loses/odd spots from the last week in MTTs.... Apologies if this post turns out to be mega long.
1)
gazza127
Small blind
1500.00
1500.00
27931.25
tiger63
Big blind
3000.00
4500.00
72260.00
Your hole cards
A
5
fatflower
Fold
pokerkin30
Fold
strawbs028
Fold
gazza127
All-in
27931.25
32431.25
0.00
tiger63
Call
26431.25
58862.50
45828.75
gazza127
Show
A
5
tiger63
Show
6
6
Flop
8
8
6
Turn
J
River
3
tiger63
Win
Full House, 6s and 8s
58862.50
104691.25
2) Took risky with a 20 bb stack for this one...
gazza127
Small blind
150.00
150.00
6106.12
SR23
Big blind
300.00
450.00
12260.24
Your hole cards
6
4
gunnersj
Fold
wudibluff
Fold
bolly580
Fold
TommyD
Raise
600.00
1050.00
12805.90
gazza127
All-in
6106.12
7156.12
0.00
SR23
Fold
TommyD
Call
5656.12
12812.24
7149.78
gazza127
Show
6
4
TommyD
Show
10
A
Flop
3
8
A
Turn
6
River
3
TommyD
Win
Two Pairs, Aces and 3s
12812.24
19962.02
3) Any need here to do this here?
gazza127
Small blind
125.00
125.00
3665.00
Pro__fit
Big blind
250.00
375.00
21125.00
Your hole cards
9
A
chanceux
Call
250.00
625.00
13010.00
RAB642
Fold
nikki39
Fold
chrisr8289
Fold
gazza127
All-in
3665.00
4290.00
0.00
Pro__fit
Fold
chanceux
Call
3540.00
7830.00
9470.00
gazza127
Show
9
A
chanceux
Show
J
Q
Flop
J
2
7
Turn
9
River
K
chanceux
Win
Pair of Jacks
7830.00
17300.00
4) This one just a bit meh?
Pro__fit
Small blind
20.00
20.00
4755.00
chanceux
Big blind
40.00
60.00
1040.00
Your hole cards
10
10
porter1989
Fold
nikki39
Raise
160.00
220.00
5570.00
rossybee16
Fold
gazza127
Raise
480.00
700.00
4965.00
Pro__fit
Fold
chanceux
Fold
nikki39
Call
320.00
1020.00
5250.00
Flop
5
9
9
nikki39
Check
gazza127
Bet
510.00
1530.00
4455.00
nikki39
Call
510.00
2040.00
4740.00
Turn
9
nikki39
Check
gazza127
Bet
1020.00
3060.00
3435.00
nikki39
Call
1020.00
4080.00
3720.00
River
4
nikki39
Check
gazza127
Check
nikki39
Show
J
J
gazza127
Muck
10
10
nikki39
Win
Full House, 9s and Jacks
4080.00
7800.00
5) Shoving ranges?
moggi69
Big blind
150.00
150.00
3850.00
Your hole cards
10
9
gazza127
All-in
1837.50
1987.50
0.00
rob152
Call
1837.50
3825.00
162.50
snoop83
Fold
daddysteve
Fold
moggi69
Fold
gazza127
Show
10
9
rob152
Show
7
7
Flop
K
A
K
Turn
4
River
3
rob152
Win
Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
3825.00
3987.50
6) Turning made hands into a bluff... dont like this one at all.
rspca12
Small blind
50.00
50.00
3707.50
pipco
Big blind
100.00
150.00
1843.75
Your hole cards
10
10
gazza127
Raise
200.00
350.00
2165.00
TREMAYNE
Fold
ally44
Fold
JONONZIE
Fold
rspca12
Raise
500.00
850.00
3207.50
pipco
Fold
gazza127
Call
350.00
1200.00
1815.00
Flop
7
J
2
rspca12
Bet
600.00
1800.00
2607.50
gazza127
All-in
1815.00
3615.00
0.00
rspca12
Raise
2430.00
6045.00
177.50
rspca12
Unmatched bet
1215.00
4830.00
1392.50
rspca12
Show
10
10
gazza127
Show
10
10
Turn
9
River
2
rspca12
Win
Flush to the Jack
4830.00
6222.50
7) Raising to isolate limpers... take initiative - range and bet sizing.
gazza127
Small blind
40.00
40.00
6305.00
jakally
Big blind
80.00
120.00
4220.00
Your hole cards
10
J
masalochs
Call
80.00
200.00
6555.00
tomwat
Call
80.00
280.00
4647.50
kevin1968
Call
80.00
360.00
5265.00
Jack3010
Call
80.00
440.00
3280.00
gazza127
Raise
480.00
920.00
5825.00
jakally
Fold
masalochs
Fold
tomwat
Call
440.00
1360.00
4207.50
kevin1968
Fold
Jack3010
Call
440.00
1800.00
2840.00
Flop
8
K
J
gazza127
Bet
900.00
2700.00
4925.00
tomwat
Call
900.00
3600.00
3307.50
Jack3010
Fold
Turn
7
gazza127
Check
tomwat
Check
River
6
gazza127
Check
tomwat
Check
gazza127
Show
10
J
tomwat
Show
K
Q
tomwat
Win
Pair of Kings
3600.00
6907.50
8) Should be narrowing range calling from UTG raises even if there range is wide and I think I can take the pot on later streets in pos?
Lol... guess im not looking for specific thoughts on each hand... more of an overview of what i might be doing wrong.
Think its helped me already just posting them which is a plus. Too aggro with a decent stack size... taking too many risks trying to push my way to the top of the field. Thats what im getting anyway.
A lot of aggro button pressing pre by the looks of it the majority looks ok though, a few hands where you should be folding
overall just a lot of spots where your getting it in and even when you ahead your a 60/40 fav at best. This is probably why your experiencing some heavy negative variance.
While aggression is obviously good, may just be overly used in some spots.
Also noticed some hands where you just don't want to let go of say 2 pr when the villian is telling you your beat and there range consists of nothing else
good luck hope it turns for ya, donkaments are harsh.
Comments
Chances are you're not doing anything different from a week or two ago but that's how brutal the game can be. Just gotta try not to let it get to you (which is WAY easier said than done) and just slog it out. I'd say reduce number of tables but think you said you only play 2, maybe step down a level or two
That one session was bad yes but in general im doing quite well in it. This is solely down to tournaments... tournaments which i usually play... tournaments which i usually do ok in.... tournaments that I havent managed a single cash in about a week - probably about 70 of them.
So dropping down a level etc, relating to cash is kinda not the point here. FWIW im dropping cash at the minute anyway cause i think its screwing with my MTT game somewhat.
Dont really need/want the 'I told you so post' atm mate. Not feeling it even if its well-intended.
Not saying youre wrong. I probably should play tighter and more ABC poker than I am at the minute, but i think i still go broke in 95% of the same spots. We shall see over the coming days/weeks.
I hate reading these sorts of things, because really a lot of it is just coming from the way we're thinking - which might not always be rational.
Thought I'd take a quick look at your Sharkscope to see how bad the MTTs have been treating you. If you take the last week then yes it looks pretty brutal, and as you say you've lost the vast majority of flips etc. But winning maybe one of these big flips and we can get a big spike.
If you look at your results relative to where you were 10 days ago, you're break-even. Being break-even when we're way behind on variance is a decent result! If you look at your results relative to where you were on 1st September then you're doing great!!
Point is, the base point is pretty arbitrary, all that matters is that you're a winning player. As long as you keep doing what you've been doing up until now, you should be fine. Don't start taking unecessary gambles to try to chase that streak. Changing a winning formula would not be advisable.
Hope it turns, sure it will.
Underbet the turn... why?
Who the **** knows why? Maybe i was nervous of getting c/r all in. Making of my own downfall at times.
Yeah im hoping for it to turn around asap with UKOPS right round the corner and the possibility of SPT. One win puts all this to bed, as usual... its just difficult when you hit the tables and your consistently losing what seems like every single hand (obv not).
Just wondering if the winning formula has changed in the last week. Perhaps i got a bit too aggressive as my September results were very good and I just assumed theyd continue. Hmmmm i dunno. I'm not playing tomorrow as the footy is on. I'll be back on for the rebuy main on wednesday - one I quite like as if I lose a flip I can just re-enter! Watch out BR here I come!!
Not all of us can just win the primo and get one!
Think I might be putting in too much volume tbh. Urgh lost a flip - out... load another tournament. Urgh lost a flip - out... load another tournament. When youre not running well those tournaments swiftly add up and so does the loses. Think I might need to get into the habit of, when I do get knocked, taking a look to see if i really want to play another or am I just doing it cause i feel cheated... Being more selective too would probably help.
Meh. What are you? The grammar police?
Rumour has it youre a freelance travel agent who helps people book flights to the US/Canada ahem* and can sort out broke forum regs with cheap flights.
Thats the word on the grapevine anyway...
(worth a shot)
1)
6) Turning made hands into a bluff... dont like this one at all.
10) Completely standard?
Will be very difficult for anyone to provide meaningful feedback on such a big post of hands!
Think its helped me already just posting them which is a plus. Too aggro with a decent stack size... taking too many risks trying to push my way to the top of the field. Thats what im getting anyway.
errr not see much wroung -
A lot of aggro button pressing pre by the looks of it
the majority looks ok though, a few hands where you should be folding
overall just a lot of spots where your getting it in and even when you ahead your a 60/40 fav at best. This is probably why your experiencing some heavy negative variance.
While aggression is obviously good, may just be overly used in some spots.
Also noticed some hands where you just don't want to let go of say 2 pr when the villian is telling you your beat and there range consists of nothing else
good luck hope it turns for ya, donkaments are harsh.