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The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary)

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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited June 2013
    Bluffing works all the time at 4nl! You just have to bluff people that can be bluffed.

    We played 2 hands i think, i bluffed you in one of them.

    The other i shoved over the top of you with a pair/ flush draw.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    I wouldn't normally post a chat in here... especially one that reflects semi badly on me... however I feel I need to post it to prove him wrong.  I'll hide his name to hide his embarrassments.  Needless to say this person has been in arguments with many a sky poker player before.  I should know... we've been in the same team and he got on with noone.

    Heres the hand in question.  I call the fourbet because its so small and the pot is big enough for me to have decent equity.

    But the conversation I'll post underneath is all about the river...
    gazza127 Small blind   100.00 100.00 6372.50
    chelseaAA Big blind   200.00 300.00 9030.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • A
         
    M Fold        
    willcall99 Call   200.00 500.00 9475.00
    woody207 Fold        
    gazza127 Raise   500.00 1000.00 5872.50
    chelseaAA Raise   800.00 1800.00 8230.00
    willcall99 Call   800.00 2600.00 8675.00
    gazza127 Call   400.00 3000.00 5472.50
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 2
    • K
         
    gazza127 Check        
    chelseaAA Bet   200.00 3200.00 8030.00
    willcall99 Call   200.00 3400.00 8475.00
    gazza127 Call   200.00 3600.00 5272.50
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    gazza127 Check        
    chelseaAA Check        
    willcall99 Bet   200.00 3800.00 8275.00
    gazza127 Raise   1600.00 5400.00 3672.50
    chelseaAA Call   1600.00 7000.00 6430.00
    willcall99 Fold        
    River
       
    • 2
         
    gazza127 All-in   3672.50 10672.50 0.00
    chelseaAA Fold        
    gazza127 Muck        
    gazza127 Win   7000.00   7000.00
    gazza127 Return   3672.50 0.00 10672.50
    Convo:

    M /> Hmmm.. that didnt make sense
    gazza127 /> no it didnt
    M /> i was talking about your betting nort chelsea
    M /> why overbet the river and not get paid
    gazza127 /> me?
    M /> yes
    gazza127 /> overbet?
    gazza127 /> the pot was 7kl
    gazza127 /> i had 3
    gazza127 /> not even close to an overbet
    M /> rubbish it was a massive overbet
    gazza127 /> youre kidding right?
    M /> DID u get paid or not?
    gazza127 /> haha you are an idiot
    M /> ? you price a bet to get paid nopt frighten off the opposition
    gazza127 /> basing it on the fact that she didnt call.
    M /> so please dont call me an idiot
    gazza127 /> ok
    M /> why woould she you went twice you previous bet
    gazza127 /> cause the pot was twice as much
    M /> whats the pot got to do with it
    gazza127 /> please stop
    gazza127 /> youre embarrassing yourself
    M /> yopur bet sizing was way over proper poker but it is sky
    gazza127 /> god. yep you are a poker guru
    gazza127 /> thanks for enlightening me
    M /> so why arent you betting another 1600 to get paid or force her to shove
    M /> GG chelsea
    gazza127 /> so let me get this straight... i raise smaller and she shoves? that makes sense
    M /> she will call OR may shove
    gazza127 />  pipe down
    chelseaAA /> i hope you beat that idit magic
    M /> 3200 got u **** all
    gazza127 /> im the idiot? seriously/
    gazza127 /> ?
    M /> YES U didnt get paid the third street
    M /> this isnt a who has the biggest D I K competition
    gazza127 /> she wasnt calling anything clearly she missed her draw or she had QQ
    M /> she called the 1600
    gazza127 /> on the turn
    M /> so you think overbetting will get you chips do you
    gazza127 /> it wasnt an overbet idiot
    M /> ONE LAST TIME.. DID YOU GET PAID
    M /> IDIOT
    gazza127 /> you think 1600 is ok on the turn then im going to what bet another 1600 leaving 1400 behind?
    gazza127 /> seriously?
    M /> any bet too big which doesnt get paid is TOO BIG
    gazza127 /> she clearly didnt have a hand
    M /> look up value betting you re tard
    gazza127 /> shut up. ive had enough of you dh
    M /> of course you have.. i make sense and you talk garbage
    gazza127 /> haha such an idiot
    M /> the only idiot is the one who didnt get paid


    Now I know I come off as a dh.  I'm not proud of what I said but I was getting a bit agitated by him tbh.  This is a guy who sits at the table at criticizes everyones play.  He thinks he is a poker god and I wanted to put him in his place.  I shoved with AK then AJ with 10bb later on and he said im such a 'donk shovemonkey idiot' or something like that.  Too bad I ran into AK with AJ.  Would have liked to teach him a lesson in poker.

    Now come on... lets be honest here... I'm right aren't I?  It wasnt an overbet... and I cant be 'value betting' the river?  If shes got a hand that she'l call 1.6k... shes got a hand that will call 3.5k.  I've got to stick it in on the river especially when I hit the nuts.  It keeps bluffs in too as I was probably doing it regardless of the river (maybe).

    Be honest here guys... what would you do?
  • Serge77Serge77 Member Posts: 164
    edited June 2013
    Hello Gazza, good luck on hitting your target. I'm a player who's on a mission to build my BR is well. I'll give you few tips on how to build your BR from paying small money. Cause I see you seem to pay too much for a tourneys and make less profit. There is a team tourney called DTD every Mon, 3 deep stack tourney for £5 ish. Yes you need to FT to make decent profit, but 2 of the tourneys will be £100+ for 1st place and if you get the best score from 2 out 3 tourneys you'll get a free entry to the sat BH main. Also do you play the £1.60 sats to enter the 6 pm sat? If you can win both sats, you'll be able to make decent profit. Last sat I entered the BH main from £3.60 to make £50 profit. Also there is £2.40 sats for 21:30 BH. Yes you might think you can pay the money to enter tourneys, but if you can enter the tourneys from small price. You won't be disappointed when you finish 7th in the main after only paying £1.60 to enter it. In 2 weeks I made £20 into £112.30, had a downswing of 2 days when I lost £50

  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary):
    Hello Gazza, good luck on hitting your target. I'm a player who's on a mission to build my BR is well. I'll give you few tips on how to build your BR from paying small money. Cause I see you seem to pay too much for a tourneys and make less profit. There is a team tourney called DTD every Mon, 3 deep stack tourney for £5 ish. Yes you need to FT to make decent profit, but 2 of the tourneys will be £100+ for 1st place and if you get the best score from 2 out 3 tourneys you'll get a free entry to the sat BH main. Also do you play the £1.60 sats to enter the 6 pm sat? If you can win both sats, you'll be able to make decent profit. Last sat I entered the BH main from £3.60 to make £50 profit. Also there is £2.40 sats for 21:30 BH. Yes you might think you can pay the money to enter tourneys, but if you can enter the tourneys from small price. You won't be disappointed when you finish 7th in the main after only paying £1.60 to enter it. In 2 weeks I made £20 into £112.30, had a downswing of 2 days when I lost £50
    Posted by Serge77

    Thanks Serge.  I would play sats if I wasnt totally awful at them... I should probably play more of them with a smaller BR.  Thing is though that after about 9pm the smaller buy in tournaments and sats stop so if i want to play then i have to buy in direct.  Something that I dont really mind as I seem to do a lot better at the midnight tournaments.  I'll take a look at the DTD and may play on Monday.  Thanks for the invite... i'll definitely look into it.

    Good to see that you can build a small roll.  I've done it before but it was a while back!  My game has changed a lot since then.  Hope to see you on the tables and run well.
  • Serge77Serge77 Member Posts: 164
    edited June 2013
    Yeah in Sats you need to be very patient and position is important when you want to play a hand. I also suggest £5 BH tourneys are soft, but of course as usual your best hand need to win against a bingo player. I use to love playing 00:30 BH, it was my fav tourney when I was not working. I use to crush it when I was playing it, my best was in 5 days I FT 3 times and cashed 2wise
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    Gaz, do you really need us to tell you that the river shove is about as standard as it gets?! Doing anything other than moving in on the river is incorrect imo, unless you have very specific reads on oppo.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary):
    Gaz, do you really need us to tell you that the river shove is about as standard as it gets?! Doing anything other than moving in on the river is incorrect imo, unless you have very specific reads on oppo.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

    No it was more the fact that I was peeved at the other guy having a go at me.  I know its the correct move.  Just wanted it to be more than my word vs his so if he see's this then he'll know I wasnt just dissagreeing with him to be difficult.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Alright guys.

    Its been a while.  Thought i'd update you guys on where I am.

    The last BR i posted was a measly 15 quid as id gone on a mega downswing.  That coupled with no BR management was a recipe for disaster.  Obviously since then I won a seat to SPT Nottingham with that 15 quid (so not all bad) and have been playing some other tournaments as people have seen me on the tables.

    I deposited another £300 and decided to give it another go.  Hopefully this time I can show a bit more BR management (I havent so far but i'll get to that).

    Its been up and down already.  I think ive won 3/4 small tournaments and cashed in a fair few, but also gone and spewed money around, particularly on the rebuy tournament.

    I entered the £55 speed BH tonight like the idiot I am... in fact im pretty ashamed of it.  I got knocked out of the rebuy having spent a fair few bob after missing my straight, flush, overcard outs all in on a flop.  Board was 6s 7s 2d.  I had 8s 9s.  I was uber happy to get it in, but missed the lot.

    Anyway, the £55 went ok.  There was one pot which irritated me when my QQ set got rivered to a straight, but apart from that I played quite well.  I managed to finish 2nd which made up for some loses in the past couple of days (mainly the rebuy - dont want to talk about it), however had 0 bounties - a sign of good solid play id like to think, although it may be me not getting value from my decent hands.

    So yeah, BR is hovering near the £400 mark at the minute, but the reason i'm posting is to proclaim to the world that I will only treat myself to one main a week from now on with NO £22 BH and NO £55 BH.  I will play 5 quid and 11 quid games with one 33 quid BH a week - most likely thursdays.  Yes its not great BR management but its better than none at all!

    In other news... Schwartzel (or however you spell it) let me down mega in the open.  I got him at 28/1 and lumped £20 each way on him.  After leading by a shot after the first hole of the last round he decided to go bogey bogey double bogey bogey.  They even stopped showing all of his shots after the 7th hole!  Such a dissapointment.

    Job are still messing me around.  I'm applying for a loooooad of other things at the minute despite my work saying they do infact want me back.  They just cant guarentee i'll get paid.... they can wish.

    So yeah.  Thought i'd post an update.

    Run well all.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Some may call this reckless.  Some may call this stupid...

    I call it a great read on an oppo.

    Proud of this one.
    BREAMO Small blind   100.00 100.00 17432.50
    Hoyzer Big blind   200.00 300.00 8125.00
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
         
    gazza127 Raise   400.00 700.00 11327.50
    jammybit15 Fold        
    StinkyBuds Call   400.00 1100.00 7355.00
    rutherfo08 Fold        
    BREAMO Call   300.00 1400.00 17132.50
    Hoyzer Call   200.00 1600.00 7925.00
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 3
    • 3
         
    BREAMO Check        
    Hoyzer Check        
    gazza127 Bet   800.00 2400.00 10527.50
    StinkyBuds Fold        
    BREAMO Call   800.00 3200.00 16332.50
    Hoyzer Fold        
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    BREAMO Bet   1200.00 4400.00 15132.50
    gazza127 Call   1200.00 5600.00 9327.50
    River
       
    • 10
         
    BREAMO Bet   5600.00 11200.00 9532.50
    gazza127 All-in   9327.50 20527.50 0.00
    BREAMO Fold        
    gazza127 Show
    • 7
    • 7
         
    gazza127 Win   16800.00   16800.00
    gazza127 Return   3727.50 0.00 20527.50
  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,101
    edited June 2013
    Gl m8....you're a very good mtt player but without brm it is likely to end badly.

    Glad you have decided to redeposit and continue with your diary though :)
  • ryan83ryan83 Member Posts: 42
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary):
    Convo: M /> Hmmm.. that didnt make sense gazza127 /> no it didnt M /> i was talking about your betting nort chelsea M /> why overbet the river and not get paid gazza127 /> me? M /> yes gazza127 /> overbet? gazza127 /> the pot was 7kl gazza127 /> i had 3 gazza127 /> not even close to an overbet M /> rubbish it was a massive overbet gazza127 /> youre kidding right? M /> DID u get paid or not? gazza127 /> haha you are an idiot M /> ? you price a bet to get paid nopt frighten off the opposition gazza127 /> basing it on the fact that she didnt call. M /> so please dont call me an idiot gazza127 /> ok M /> why woould she you went twice you previous bet gazza127 /> cause the pot was twice as much M /> whats the pot got to do with it gazza127 /> please stop gazza127 /> youre embarrassing yourself M /> yopur bet sizing was way over proper poker but it is sky gazza127 /> god. yep you are a poker guru gazza127 /> thanks for enlightening me M /> so why arent you betting another 1600 to get paid or force her to shove M /> GG chelsea gazza127 /> so let me get this straight... i raise smaller and she shoves? that makes sense M /> she will call OR may shove gazza127 />  pipe down chelseaAA /> i hope you beat that idit magic M /> 3200 got u **** all gazza127 /> im the idiot? seriously/ gazza127 /> ? M /> YES U didnt get paid the third street M /> this isnt a who has the biggest D I K competition gazza127 /> she wasnt calling anything clearly she missed her draw or she had QQ M /> she called the 1600 gazza127 /> on the turn M /> so you think overbetting will get you chips do you gazza127 /> it wasnt an overbet idiot M /> ONE LAST TIME.. DID YOU GET PAID M /> IDIOT gazza127 /> you think 1600 is ok on the turn then im going to what bet another 1600 leaving 1400 behind? gazza127 /> seriously? M /> any bet too big which doesnt get paid is TOO BIG gazza127 /> she clearly didnt have a hand M /> look up value betting you re tard gazza127 /> shut up. ive had enough of you dh M /> of course you have.. i make sense and you talk garbage gazza127 /> haha such an idiot M /> the only idiot is the one who didnt get paid Now I know I come off as a dh.  I'm not proud of what I said but I was getting a bit agitated by him tbh.  This is a guy who sits at the table at criticizes everyones play.  He thinks he is a poker god and I wanted to put him in his place.  I shoved with AK then AJ with 10bb later on and he said im such a 'donk shovemonkey idiot' or something like that.  Too bad I ran into AK with AJ.  Would have liked to teach him a lesson in poker. Now come on... lets be honest here... I'm right aren't I?  It wasnt an overbet... and I cant be 'value betting' the river?  If shes got a hand that she'l call 1.6k... shes got a hand that will call 3.5k.  I've got to stick it in on the river especially when I hit the nuts.  It keeps bluffs in too as I was probably doing it regardless of the river (maybe). Be honest here guys... what would you do?
    Posted by gazza127


    Man that arguement was magical. If he says you played it wrong then he's undoubtedly correct and you should listen to him....whoever he is.

    Good to see you back and that you've ignored all the advice on BRM :P 

  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Yes Ryan.  Magical is the only word to describe that argument.  Just wonder who it was....

    Want to see how you can convert 2.5 bb at 75/150 blind levels into a 6th place finish in the 2k BH.

    I bet you do.
    __FUBA___ Small blind   75.00 75.00 17830.00
    gazza127 Big blind   150.00 225.00 390.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 2
         
    Jack3010 Fold        
    panda12 Call   150.00 375.00 2172.50
    MachineGun Fold        
    OSPREY812 Fold        
    __FUBA___ Call   75.00 450.00 17755.00
    gazza127 All-in   390.00 840.00 0.00
    panda12 Call   390.00 1230.00 1782.50
    __FUBA___ Call   390.00 1620.00 17365.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 5
    • 3
         
    __FUBA___ Check        
    panda12 Check        
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    __FUBA___ Check        
    panda12 Check        
    River
       
    • 7
         
    __FUBA___ Check        
    panda12 Bet   450.00 2070.00 1332.50
    __FUBA___ Fold        
    panda12 Unmatched bet   450.00 1620.00 1782.50
    gazza127 Show
    • A
    • 2
         
    panda12 Show
    • K
    • 8
         
    gazza127 Win Pair of 5s 1620.00   1620.00
    panda12 Big blind   200.00 200.00 2790.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    MachineGun Fold        
    OSPREY812 Fold        
    __FUBA___ Fold        
    gazza127 All-in   1645.00 1845.00 0.00
    panda12 Call   1445.00 3290.00 1345.00
    panda12 Show
    • A
    • 7
         
    gazza127 Show
    • A
    • Q
         
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 6
    • 10
         
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    gazza127 Win Pair of Queens 3290.00   3290.00
    gazza127 Small blind   100.00 100.00 3290.00
    daiw Big blind   200.00 300.00 7935.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
         
    panda12 Call   200.00 500.00 945.00
    MachineGun Call   200.00 700.00 5515.00
    OSPREY812 Fold        
    __FUBA___ Call   200.00 900.00 20332.50
    gazza127 All-in   3290.00 4190.00 0.00
    daiw Fold        
    panda12 All-in   945.00 5135.00 0.00
    MachineGun Fold        
    __FUBA___ Fold        
    gazza127 Unmatched bet   2245.00 2890.00 2245.00
    gazza127 Show
    • J
    • A
         
    panda12 Show
    • J
    • Q
         
    Flop
       
    • K
    • K
    • 6
         
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    River
       
    • 5
         
    gazza127 Win Flush to the Ace 2890.00   5135.00
    MachineGun Small blind   200.00 200.00 5442.50
    robbo629 Big blind   400.00 600.00 18395.00
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 8
         
    __FUBA___ Call   400.00 1000.00 20008.12
    gazza127 All-in   3235.00 4235.00 0.00
    squeak13 Fold        
    MachineGun Fold        
    robbo629 Fold        
    __FUBA___ Call   2835.00 7070.00 17173.12
    __FUBA___ Show
    • 9
    • J
         
    gazza127 Show
    • 8
    • 8
         
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 5
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    River
       
    • 4
         
    gazza127 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 8s 7070.00   7070.00
    robbo629 Small blind   200.00 200.00 18195.00
    __FUBA___ Big blind   400.00 600.00 16773.12
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • K
         
    gazza127 Raise   800.00 1400.00 6270.00
    squeak13 Fold        
    MachineGun Fold        
    robbo629 Call   600.00 2000.00 17595.00
    __FUBA___ Call   400.00 2400.00 16373.12
    Flop
       
    • K
    • A
    • Q
         
    robbo629 Check        
    __FUBA___ Check        
    gazza127 Bet   1600.00 4000.00 4670.00
    robbo629 Raise   3200.00 7200.00 14395.00
    __FUBA___ Fold        
    gazza127 All-in   4670.00 11870.00 0.00
    robbo629 Call   3070.00 14940.00 11325.00
    robbo629 Show
    • 10
    • A
         
    gazza127 Show
    • Q
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    River
       
    • 6
         
    gazza127 Win Two Pairs, Kings and Queens 14940.00   14940.00
    Frenchie23 Small blind   300.00 300.00 10287.50
    MachineGun Big blind   600.00 900.00 4642.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    robbo629 Fold        
    __FUBA___ Call   600.00 1500.00 15773.12
    gazza127 Raise   1800.00 3300.00 12440.00
    Frenchie23 Fold        
    MachineGun Fold        
    __FUBA___ Call   1200.00 4500.00 14573.12
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • K
    • 5
         
    __FUBA___ Check        
    gazza127 Bet   2250.00 6750.00 10190.00
    __FUBA___ Call   2250.00 9000.00 12323.12
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    __FUBA___ Check        
    gazza127 Check        
    River
       
    • A
         
    __FUBA___ Check        
    gazza127 Bet   1800.00 10800.00 8390.00
    __FUBA___ All-in   12323.12 23123.12 0.00
    gazza127 All-in   8390.00 31513.12 0.00
    __FUBA___ Unmatched bet   2133.12 29380.00 2133.12
    __FUBA___ Show
    • J
    • A
         
    gazza127 Show
    • A
    • Q
         
    gazza127 Win Pair of Aces 29380.00   29380.00
    pokerrange Small blind   300.00 300.00 14745.00
    gazza127 Big blind   600.00 900.00 21437.50
      Your hole cards
    • 2
    • 3
         
    Frenchie23 Fold        
    Youngfrog Call   600.00 1500.00 29585.65
    MachineGun Fold        
    pokerrange Fold        
    gazza127 Check        
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • J
    • A
         
    gazza127 Bet   750.00 2250.00 20687.50
    Youngfrog Call   750.00 3000.00 28835.65
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    gazza127 Bet   1500.00 4500.00 19187.50
    Youngfrog Call   1500.00 6000.00 27335.65
    River
       
    • 5
         
    gazza127 Bet   3000.00 9000.00 16187.50
    Youngfrog Call   3000.00 12000.00 24335.65
    gazza127 Show
    • 2
    • 3
         
    Youngfrog Muck
    • A
    • 9
         
    gazza127 Win Flush to the Ace 12000.00   28187.50
    gazza127 Small blind   1250.00 1250.00 30937.50
    whererustu Big blind   2500.00 3750.00 43643.76
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    spurs_13 Fold        
    _DAC_ Raise   7500.00 11250.00 43015.03
    gazza127 All-in   30937.50 42187.50 0.00
    whererustu Fold        
    _DAC_ Call   24687.50 66875.00 18327.53
    gazza127 Show
    • J
    • J
         
    _DAC_ Show
    • J
    • A
         
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 7
    • 8
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    gazza127 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 3s 66875.00   66875.00
    Then I lost half my stack being outkicked by an ace and went out like this:
    Frenchie23 Small blind   1500.00 1500.00 121526.64
    spurs_13 Big blind   3000.00 4500.00 47293.16
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
         
    Keithyy Fold        
    robbo629 Fold        
    gazza127 All-in   25875.00 30375.00 0.00
    whererustu Fold        
    Frenchie23 Call   24375.00 54750.00 97151.64
    spurs_13 Fold        
    Frenchie23 Show
    • K
    • Q
         
    gazza127 Show
    • J
    • A
         
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 2
    • 4
         
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    River
       
    • J
         
    Frenchie23 Win Pair of Kings 54750.00   151901.64
    All from 2.5bb.

    Nice.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Played some cash tonight.  Ended up about 11 quid up on NL10 which I was pretty pleased with as im useless at cash.

    I ended up HU against donttellmum as everyone else had left.  I've hardly ever played against donttellmum let alone HU, but rumour has it he is a decent player.

    I think I got him quite frustrated really.  We barely ever got down to showdown, and after reloading he started open jamming pots.  He showed one as a bluff when I had folded A8s.

    Think i played OK as HU cash plays quite similar to HU tournaments.  Theres a lot of bluffing and semi-bluffing pots and youve got to pick the right spots to extract value.  Made a mess of one pot.  Think I could have stacked him as he was quite obviously bluffing...

    Thoughts on this hand please:

    Should I just call the turn and let him fire again or is this fine?
    gazza127 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £17.88
    Donttelmum Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.80
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 7
         
    gazza127 Raise   £0.25 £0.40 £17.63
    Donttelmum Call   £0.20 £0.60 £9.60
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 8
    • 2
         
    Donttelmum Check        
    gazza127 Bet   £0.30 £0.90 £17.33
    Donttelmum Raise   £1.20 £2.10 £8.40
    gazza127 Call   £0.90 £3.00 £16.43
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    Donttelmum Bet   £2.25 £5.25 £6.15
    gazza127 Raise   £9.75 £15.00 £6.68
    Donttelmum Fold        
    gazza127 Muck        
    gazza127 Win   £6.93   £13.61
    gazza127 Return   £7.50 £0.57 £21.11
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    A board of 8 8 2, heads up against an aggro player. We should just flat the turn all day long, there is nothing to protect against and we have position so we can give him the chance to fire again on the river. 

    Another reason why I'd flat is because his line looks like total air. He's only called the raise pre, so can generally rule out premium made hands. Flop is 8 8 2. We have an 8. How has he connected to that flop? In the unlikely event he has 22 or a better 8 then all the money will go in and nh gg etc etc but I'd certainly look to give him the chance to hang himself. His bet sizing looks like he might have set himself up for an all in on the river too if you call the turn, as he'll have just less than a pot sized bet behind and I think DTM has the minerals to triple barrel 3 streets with air :)
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Something i've been trying really hard to do is cut out silly calls because im holding a premium hand.  Some people cant lay down AA or KK....  and i'm usually guilty of over-repping them post flop.

    However.... i'm uber proud of this lay down.  A few months ago i'd be snapping this off then tilting cause my KK didnt hold.
    gazza127 Small blind   40.00 40.00 7595.00
    ANY_2 Big blind   80.00 120.00 2410.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    MIM Fold        
    stefros Raise   160.00 280.00 4005.00
    PiAnOpLaYa Fold        
    tanna83 Call   160.00 440.00 5140.00
    gazza127 Raise   360.00 800.00 7235.00
    ANY_2 Fold        
    stefros Call   240.00 1040.00 3765.00
    tanna83 Call   240.00 1280.00 4900.00
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 5
    • 8
         
    gazza127 Bet   640.00 1920.00 6595.00
    stefros Call   640.00 2560.00 3125.00
    tanna83 All-in   4900.00 7460.00 0.00
    gazza127 Fold        
    stefros All-in   3125.00 10585.00 0.00
    tanna83 Unmatched bet   1135.00 9450.00 1135.00
    stefros Show
    • 7
    • 6
         
    tanna83 Show
    • J
    • J
         
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    River
       
    • 2
         
    stefros Win Straight to the 8 9450.00   9450.00


    Cutting out some leaks!
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Im so irritated.

    SO irritated... not sure ive ever been this annoyed about poker before.

    Playing £1000 BH.  All going well.... im one of the chip leaders and even have a few bounties.... then this happens.
    offee1878 Small blind   150.00 150.00 5384.50
    gazza127 Big blind   300.00 450.00 9006.25
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
         
    zandan25 Fold        
    ryan83 Fold        
    didalo Fold        
    toffee1878 All-in   5384.50 5834.50 0.00
    gazza127 Call   5234.50 11069.00 3771.75
    toffee1878 Show
    • 6
    • Q
         
    gazza127 Show
    • K
    • A
         
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 3
    • 3
         
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • 8
         
    toffee1878 Win Two Pairs, Queens and 3s 11069.00   11069.00
    Followed quickly by this.
    zandan25 Small blind   200.00 200.00 6950.00
    ryan83 Big blind   400.00 600.00 4156.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 7
         
    didalo Fold        
    toffee1878 Raise   800.00 1400.00 10869.00
    gazza127 All-in   2971.75 4371.75 0.00
    zandan25 Fold        
    ryan83 Fold        
    toffee1878 Call   2171.75 6543.50 8697.25
    toffee1878 Show
    • K
    • 9
         
    gazza127 Show
    • A
    • 7
         
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 3
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • 2
         
    toffee1878 Win Pair of Kings 6543.50   15240.75
    ARRRGGGHHHH...  So irritated.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Right im stopping tonight and will quickly move onto watch copious amounts of the US office.

    Its not going right for me today...  it's been pretty tragic.

    Cant work out if this is bad play or not in the 12:30 BH.

    Obviously if i flat here then I can get away on the river... but with 2 oppos in the hand  i figure 1... or maybe even both are on healthy draws and i've got to raise....  Min raise makes no sense here leaving so little behind.  Shove, call or fold but why would i call flop to then see a perfect turn card and fold?  Obv I cant put anyone on a set... no raise pre so its highly unlikely.  I was praying for him to turn over 109.... but i guess that beats me in the end too.

    Bad play or just unavoidable?
    ANNMARIE Small blind   20.00 20.00 1377.50
    micky143 Big blind   40.00 60.00 6195.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 4
         
    skyriver21 Call   40.00 100.00 2005.00
    dudsnsud03 Call   40.00 140.00 2770.00
    gazza127 Call   40.00 180.00 2710.00
    sjm89 Call   40.00 220.00 812.50
    ANNMARIE Call   20.00 240.00 1357.50
    micky143 Check        
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 9
    • A
         
    ANNMARIE Check        
    micky143 Bet   180.00 420.00 6015.00
    skyriver21 Call   180.00 600.00 1825.00
    dudsnsud03 Call   180.00 780.00 2590.00
    gazza127 Call   180.00 960.00 2530.00
    sjm89 Fold        
    ANNMARIE Fold        
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    micky143 Bet   480.00 1440.00 5535.00
    skyriver21 Call   480.00 1920.00 1345.00
    dudsnsud03 Fold        
    gazza127 All-in   2530.00 4450.00 0.00
    micky143 All-in   5535.00 9985.00 0.00
    skyriver21 Fold        
    micky143 Unmatched bet   3485.00 6500.00 3485.00
    micky143 Show
    • A
    • 9
         
    gazza127 Show
    • A
    • 4
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    micky143 Win Full House, 9s and Aces 6500.00   9985.00
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Up and down... up and down.  Its the same old story.  Still hovering around my second deposit.

    I was pretty irritated last night.... mainly with the post I posted 2 above this, but forgot about it today and got on with it...

    First tournament of the day I entered I went out 4th hand.  I had JJ.  Board was 78102 when the money came in.  I three bet pre in the blinds so the pot was already quite infated.  He had flatted KK back in position and I was a gonna after flopping a gut shot and overpair.  Guess its just how it goes... Maybe I could have played it more passively.

    Either way... second tournament I entered was the £350 BH.  Things went much better.  I ran 77 into KK (KK was shortstack) and turned a straight.  Went through the tournament pretty solidly, accumulating chips at quite a nice rate.  I managed to halve my stack in a silly bluff.  He was raising my BB almost every orbit and I got fed up of it and thought id take the initiative.

    It backfired.
    Maxk29 Small blind   400.00 400.00 23655.00
    gazza127 Big blind   800.00 1200.00 15787.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 5
         
    blackopscr Raise   1600.00 2800.00 18400.00
    Maxk29 Fold        
    gazza127 Raise   2400.00 5200.00 13387.50
    blackopscr Call   1600.00 6800.00 16800.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 5
    • 8
         
    gazza127 Bet   3400.00 10200.00 9987.50
    blackopscr Raise   6800.00 17000.00 10000.00
    gazza127 Fold        
    blackopscr Muck        
    blackopscr Win   13600.00   23600.00
    blackopscr Return   3400.00 0.00 27000.00
    It was OK though cause the very next hands were these...
    gazza127 Small blind   400.00 400.00 9587.50
    blackopscr Big blind   800.00 1200.00 26200.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 6
         
    Maxk29 Fold        
    gazza127 All-in   9587.50 10787.50 0.00
    blackopscr Call   9187.50 19975.00 17012.50
    gazza127 Show
    • A
    • 6
         
    blackopscr Show
    • K
    • Q
         
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 9
    • 5
         
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    River
       
    • 2
         
    gazza127 Win Pair of 2s 19975.00   19975.00
    blackopscr Small blind   500.00 500.00 16512.50
    Maxk29 Big blind   1000.00 1500.00 22655.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 5
         
    gazza127 Raise   2000.00 3500.00 17975.00
    blackopscr Call   1500.00 5000.00 15012.50
    Maxk29 Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 5
    • 5
         
    blackopscr Bet   1000.00 6000.00 14012.50
    gazza127 Call   1000.00 7000.00 16975.00
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    blackopscr Bet   1000.00 8000.00 13012.50
    gazza127 Raise   2000.00 10000.00 14975.00
    blackopscr Call   1000.00 11000.00 12012.50
    River
       
    • K
         
    blackopscr Check        
    gazza127 Bet   3000.00 14000.00 11975.00
    blackopscr Fold        
    gazza127 Muck        
    gazza127 Win   11000.00   22975.00
    gazza127 Return   3000.00 0.00 25975.00
    Not sure I could have gotten more value from the hand above or not.... maybe raise flop.  Tried to milk it a bit too much though...  Reckon he was on a straight draw.

    Anyway I get to the final three and Diva's connection has gone so its effectively heads up, and this was the hand that effectively won it.
    gazza127 Small blind   1000.00 1000.00 104322.50
    Diva34 Big blind   2000.00 3000.00 13287.50
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 8
         
    stoker15 Call   2000.00 5000.00 41390.00
    gazza127 Raise   3000.00 8000.00 101322.50
    Diva34 Fold        
    stoker15 Call   2000.00 10000.00 39390.00
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • Q
    • 9
         
    gazza127 Bet   5000.00 15000.00 96322.50
    stoker15 Call   5000.00 20000.00 34390.00
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    gazza127 Bet   12000.00 32000.00 84322.50
    stoker15 All-in   34390.00 66390.00 0.00
    gazza127 Call   22390.00 88780.00 61932.50
    gazza127 Show
    • 10
    • 8
         
    stoker15 Show
    • 9
    • A
         
    River
       
    • A
         
    gazza127 Win Straight to the 10 88780.00   150712.50
    So two tournaments so far today.  Last and first... much better than 2 min cashes.

    Lets hope for another win later.


  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Just finished 3rd in the midnight tournament.

    Now i know I should be relatively happy with this but im not.... but i'll get to that.

    I started the tournament uber strong.... now I know it may sound arrogant or whatever but I was put on a table where I knew I was better than everyone else - unlikely I know but very true!

    Everyone limped into everypot.  I could raise 6x pre and still get 2 or 3 callers, and they all called into their draws.  I could read them like a book.  It was good because I could get max value from every hand and knew when to bluff.  After the first hour I had 5x my stack and was sitting comfortably in 1st place.

    Then I got moved.

    Really struggled adapting to the new table having had it so easy for the first hour or so... getting 3 bet felt uber weird and I had to tighten massively as I didnt know everyones game.  I was up and down for the next hour or so but made it into the cash (final 6).

    Managed to swing myself a big pot when the chip leader tried to bluff me when I was holding TPTK.. and I was sitting up top along this guy for a good half an hour.

    Now this is why im not happy... when there were 4 of us left.  Me and this other guy were chip leaders and the other two each had about 10bb each.  I was happy to put pressure on them when needed and wait for them to dwindle in chips so I could knock them out.

    The other guy however just looooooved to see a flop and looooooved to bluff.  He doubled up the other two players twice... each.... And suddenly we were all even.

    I just dont know why he wasnt more patient.  I was 100% certain we'd both be heads up but I got caught and suddenly had to start winning a few pots here and there when I didnt really want to get involved.  Couple that with some loose players that will call your 2.5bb raise with AK with whatever they were holding to little hesistation in jamming a 4910 rainbow flop.  Suddenly I was 4/4 and pretty irritated.

    Another guy bust missing his draw and I was left with 10bb.  The guy who was shortest with 4 players left suddenly had 40bb.  I jammed my KJs in a limped pot and he called with Q10os quite happily.  He turned a Q.

    Really disapointed as there was close to 200 quid up top and I was certain with 4 left that I'd be crushing the other chip leader heads up.

    Sigh.  Thats poker.

    For those that read this (if any) you may be wondering why I dont post a BR... Its because I feel like I put too much pressure on the money (winning or losing) if I post on here.  I should just be focussing on playing good poker and hopefully the BR will take care of itself.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    Is this just a horrible bluff?
    gazza127 Small blind   30.00 30.00 4120.00
    PREDITOR Big blind   60.00 90.00 1625.00
    t1poollfc Sit out        
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • Q
         
    lsjj84 Fold        
    meerkat14 Call   60.00 150.00 6775.00
    erchie Fold        
    gazza127 Call   30.00 180.00 4090.00
    PREDITOR Check        
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 2
    • 7
         
    gazza127 Check        
    PREDITOR Check        
    meerkat14 Bet   60.00 240.00 6715.00
    gazza127 Raise   210.00 450.00 3880.00
    PREDITOR Fold        
    meerkat14 Call   150.00 600.00 6565.00
    Turn
       
    • A
         
    gazza127 Bet   300.00 900.00 3580.00
    meerkat14 Call   300.00 1200.00 6265.00
    River
       
    • 2
         
    gazza127 Bet   600.00 1800.00 2980.00
    meerkat14 Call   600.00 2400.00 5665.00
    gazza127 Show
    • 10
    • Q
         
    meerkat14 Show
    • J
    • J
         
    meerkat14 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 7s 2400.00   8065.00
    Villain really thought about it on the turn and river but decided to call me down.  Hes seen me bet into draws.  I raise the flop as I reckon its hit almost 0 of his range... He calls which gets me a bit ponderous.  Then the ace of diamonds comes which is just an epic card to barrel... as ive hit my draw if i was betting into it and was still ahead if I had a 7.  Again he flats.... which made me ponder about what he had... maybe he had a semi decent ace pre and want to see a river as again no raise.  2 comes down.  If I was playing just a 2... ive hit a fullhouse... if i was playing a 7 ive got a full house... if i was playing the ace ive hit higher two pair... if i was playing the draw ive hit the flush.

    Then he flips over JJ.  Is this a case of villain just being reluctant to fold a high PP or was this just a poor spot to try and take a measly pot?

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