He limps in, so his range is pretty much any 2 cards. He could've smashed this flop, he could've totally bricked, we really have no idea either way. This is why I'm not big fan of this bluff, I have to say. The pot is too small, with no aggression pre we have zero idea on his range, we are out of position; nothing is working in our favour.
We are playing 4k, is it worth trying to pinch a 240 chip limped pot?
well no lol.... but look at what he limped in with. I was playing with two oppos whod limp in with very strong hands... but because I got no raises at any point in the hand (youd think that he he had a 7 hed raise the flop again... or hed raise the turn if he hit the flush). I couldnt put him on any hand that should be calling me on the end.... and in reality I think a lot of players find a fold with JJ on the turn or river... I even think a lot of players find a fold with an ace... but perhaps I should be betting closer to 800 on the end...
Id created a believable story from the flop onwards and because I bluffed the flop its now a 600 pot by the turn which is quite sizeable... I guess I thought i could steal it off him.
I dunno! haha... His hand is totally underrepped by just limping. 7 2 7 flop with 2 diamonds.... You could have a stray 7. You could have 2 diamonds. You could have an airball. If he puts you on the latter he'll call you down almost regardless of the runout. I don't think villain needs to raise here as he keeps in your bluffs/limits the damage if his JJ is beat.
If you have 2 oppo's who limp in with monsters, is that not even more a reason not to bluff limped pots?
If you had a young tournament apprentice, and he/she came to you looking for advice and said, ''is it wise to be bluffing out of position, in a limped pot, vs oppo's who you know limp strong hands'', what would you say to them?
PS: I could be that young(ahem) tournament apprentice
I dunno! haha... His hand is totally underrepped by just limping. 7 2 7 flop with 2 diamonds.... You could have a stray 7. You could have 2 diamonds. You could have an airball. If he puts you on the latter he'll call you down almost regardless of the runout. I don't think villain needs to raise here as he keeps in your bluffs/limits the damage if his JJ is beat. If you have 2 oppo's who limp in with monsters, is that not even more a reason not to bluff limped pots? If you had a young tournament apprentice, and he/she came to you looking for advice and said, ''is it wise to be bluffing out of position, in a limped pot, vs oppo's who you know limp strong hands'', what would you say to them? PS: I could be that young(ahem) tournament apprentice Posted by hhyftrftdr
Fair point. Dont get involved in pots you dont need to. Bluffing is almost always going to catch up with you unless you have such a tight table image.... but on sky things like that dont matter...
Had about 15 bigs in each hand so maybe i could have waited for a PP... but in both situations there was only 1 to act behind me and i thought id take a punt.
Firstly we have nothing invested in the pot in the first place, check fold. The 240 in the pot makes no real difference to your stack at this stage, instead you ended up doing 1100 (1/4 quarter of your stack) for no real reason.
Done it many times myself, you think no way has he hit that flop so raise then feel obliged to keep barrelling. Definitely have to give up on the river as there's no way he's folding once he called the turn,he prob isn't going to fold any PP that he has limped with.
I'd listen to your apprentice...''is it wise to be bluffing out of position, in a limped pot, vs oppo's who you know limp strong hands''
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Is this just a horrible bluff? I a word...yes. Firstly we have nothing invested in the pot in the first place, check fold. The 240 in the pot makes no real difference to your stack at this stage, instead you ended up doing 1100 (1/4 quarter of your stack) for no real reason. Done it many times myself, you think no way has he hit that flop so raise then feel obliged to keep barrelling. Definitely have to give up on the river as there's no way he's folding once he called the turn,he prob isn't going to fold any PP that he has limped with. I'd listen to your apprentice... ''is it wise to be bluffing out of position, in a limped pot, vs oppo's who you know limp strong hands'' Posted by ryan83
OMG that is ridiculous, id scream too BUT ..... yea he called off 23bb with A8 suited, was bad for you this time but wow if he does that everytime you will be fine, remember you always want to get it all in just like that so dont need to be upset with him and call him a DH yaknow? Blame the dealer lol
Yeah I can't lie... I'm pretty irritated. What made it worse is that he didnt even think about it. Snap call as if he had the absolute nuts. He saw me earlier on doing something EXACTLY like this with AK suited and he snap called another 30bb for his tournament life with 77 when he's only commited 6bb to the pot. EURGH. He folds there like he should and im chip leader with no worries.... or even better he calls but doesnt get lucky... then im really storming away with it.
Just went out in the 12:30.
Came 5th. Got about 40 quid including bounties. Was short stack on final table and shortly after a double up I turned top two pair... too bad he had turned the straight. Still think I could have gotten away from it but I was short stack and needed another du to have a shot and too much was already invested to fold top two.
Its the story of this diary so far... yes i've had a couple of wins here and there but the main theme has been me running deep in tournaments then losing a flip or just getting coolered. I cant seem to get into the serious money at the minute. I noticed one or two errors tonight. One may have been folding the aces. If I shove there like I was thinking pedrom definitely calls and I beat him. If madpat decides to come along too I lose as he turned and rivered a fullhouse... So I could have gone out earlier but also could have DU.... we'll never know.
Too many min cashes for my liking. Got to sort this out somehow.
Its obviously a shove or fold situation... but if pedrom comes along after the shove its likely madpat will too as hes priced in with a lot of draws.
I cant put pedrom on AK as there would 100% be a reraise pre. Could get KJ out my mind... and then after mappat called the pot bet i got a real headache.
The donk pot bet and then call just reaked of strength but im aware that maybe I should have stuck the lot in and taken my chances to double or even triple up.
Hi Geldy, Its obviously a shove or fold situation... but if pedrom comes along after the shove its likely madpat will too as hes priced in with a lot of draws. I cant put pedrom on AK as there would 100% be a reraise pre. Posted by gazza127
not sure - oop AK could flat to take a flop - hits his K and wants to take it down there and then given the wet board.
vs KJ you have redraws
vs draws you are ahead
agreed it could go 3-way - but "what the h*ll" imho
I might raise AA a tad more. It's a beautiful spot on the button to raise pretty big. You only have 40bb going into the hand, it will have to be a seriously ugly flop to get me off it. I think I stick the lot in after the pot lead and the call. The only possible hands we are behind to are KJ and 33 (KK and JJ pretty unlikely given the action). But there are plenty of hands we are still comfortably ahead of, and we also hold the A of hearts but backdoor possibilities.
That KK hand is just filthy. Unfortunately it sums up Skypoker quite nicely to a degree. Which is why we play here
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I've seen many a complaint about CC but there are a few people there at least who are very helpful.... and its good to see both sides of the coin.
Played pretty solidly throughout that so pretty pleased with it.
I got heads up about even stack sizes.... then got dealt 72 about 10 times in a row... not much you can do when oppo is hitting flushes and straights and youre sitting there with bottom pair.
Anyway I finally picked up an ace (AJ) and jammed and got looked up by 33.
Game over.
Still 2nd is nothing to be shrugged at.... plus i blitzed past the 3000 C4P mark today where the £/p increases substantially... so all in all not a bad day.
Suppose it could have been a whole lot better.... but hey ho.
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Id created a believable story from the flop onwards and because I bluffed the flop its now a 600 pot by the turn which is quite sizeable... I guess I thought i could steal it off him.
Fair point. Dont get involved in pots you dont need to. Bluffing is almost always going to catch up with you unless you have such a tight table image.... but on sky things like that dont matter...
Apprentice! Pah. Youre giving me advice!
49th in mini
Dissapointed.
Shoved A10 into AA and AJ into AQ.
Had about 15 bigs in each hand so maybe i could have waited for a PP... but in both situations there was only 1 to act behind me and i thought id take a punt.
Hate this game sometimes.
Still in both...
Midnight tournament. 11 left... im sitting 3rd then this dh does this.
He did it earlier as well with pocket 7s and I clawed my way back into it.
ITS NOT A FREAKING BOUNTY HUNTER.
ARGH.
Just went out in the 12:30.
Came 5th. Got about 40 quid including bounties. Was short stack on final table and shortly after a double up I turned top two pair... too bad he had turned the straight. Still think I could have gotten away from it but I was short stack and needed another du to have a shot and too much was already invested to fold top two.
Its the story of this diary so far... yes i've had a couple of wins here and there but the main theme has been me running deep in tournaments then losing a flip or just getting coolered. I cant seem to get into the serious money at the minute. I noticed one or two errors tonight. One may have been folding the aces. If I shove there like I was thinking pedrom definitely calls and I beat him. If madpat decides to come along too I lose as he turned and rivered a fullhouse... So I could have gone out earlier but also could have DU.... we'll never know.
Too many min cashes for my liking. Got to sort this out somehow.
Its obviously a shove or fold situation... but if pedrom comes along after the shove its likely madpat will too as hes priced in with a lot of draws.
I cant put pedrom on AK as there would 100% be a reraise pre. Could get KJ out my mind... and then after mappat called the pot bet i got a real headache.
The donk pot bet and then call just reaked of strength but im aware that maybe I should have stuck the lot in and taken my chances to double or even triple up.
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I've seen many a complaint about CC but there are a few people there at least who are very helpful.... and its good to see both sides of the coin.
Got to the final table of the 1k bounty hunter.
First hand on the final table this happens.
SO.FRUSTRATING.
Played pretty solidly throughout that so pretty pleased with it.
I got heads up about even stack sizes.... then got dealt 72 about 10 times in a row... not much you can do when oppo is hitting flushes and straights and youre sitting there with bottom pair.
Anyway I finally picked up an ace (AJ) and jammed and got looked up by 33.
Game over.
Still 2nd is nothing to be shrugged at.... plus i blitzed past the 3000 C4P mark today where the £/p increases substantially... so all in all not a bad day.
Suppose it could have been a whole lot better.... but hey ho.