Could sky have not just advertised a ' Trip To Las Vegas' package (not mentioning WSOP) and just transferred the money to a bank account in the USA and bought people in when the team were over there themselves? Posted by BrownnDog
This would be fine if it was a bunch of mates organising the trip off their own back, but I would imagine there are rather more hoops to jump through when you're part of a multi-national organisation wanting to take a fully branded team and a camera crew to the worlds largest poker tournament.
Could sky have not just advertised a ' Trip To Las Vegas' package (not mentioning WSOP) and just transferred the money to a bank account in the USA and bought people in when the team were over there themselves? Posted by BrownnDog
Hi Lewis, (ditto Jonjo).
f that were possible, we would have done so, but it was not. All avenues were explored, please be assured.
Incidentally, VLV has NEVER been advertised, not ever, as offering a seat into a WSOP Tournament. That would not have been permitted. Legalities are often down to interpretation of laws & guidelines, & the complication with the WSOP specifically comes under "Sky Poker must not be seen to promote overseas Gaming". Which, if you think about it, is quite a wide, broadbrush, requirement, subject to various interpretations.
Edit: BOOM! Slykllist has answered the question better than my ham-fisted attempt.
All the comments & suggestions are taken in good heart, but please accept we tried everything. Fingers crossed, 2014 it will resume, but in the interim, there are tons of other Sky Poker exclusive Promotions, enhancements, bells & whistles in the pipeline.
Tikay,thank you very much for your detailed explanation on this issue.I just wish the original post from Sky Poker had outlined some of this. It seems you have had to spend most of the afternoon sorting this.
Aplogies for that.
Im sure you would of rather spent the afternoon reading Great British Branch Lines of the 50s.
In Response to Re: VLV update : This would be fine if it was a bunch of mates organising the trip off their own back, but I would imagine there are rather more hoops to jump through when you're part of a multi-national organisation wanting to take a fully branded team and a camera crew to the worlds largest poker tournament. Posted by Slykllist
I can only assume you have experience working with a laerge multi-national organisation!
There is much to be said for working for a small Company, I spent my life running them, & we were nimble of foot & could duck & dive a bit. Very big Companies, not so much, but they have advantages that small independents don't have.
Tikay,thank you very much for your detailed explanation on this issue.I just wish the original post from Sky Poker had outlined some of this. It seems you have had to spend most of the afternoon sorting this. Aplogies for that. Im sure you would of rather spent the afternoon reading Great British Branch Lines of the 50s. Thanks again Posted by REDARROW61
You may not believe this, but I think that is a terrific Post, because you seemed a little cross earlier, & I'm very grateful, thank you.
OK, couple more replies, then that book comes out.
It's a shame this is not happening but would probably have been out of my roll anyway. On a completely separate note Tikay, do you know how long you will be in Vegas? I am going out at the end of the Summer and it would be cool to bump into some Sky faces. Posted by BUFC
I will be in Vegas from June 14th to July 14th, the first 3 weeks playing various PLO8 Tourneys, including one WSOP PLO8 jobbie, & the last week or 10 days doing stuff with Dan for Channel 861.
I mentioned earlier the possibility that I may play the Main as part of a private arrangement with friends elsewhere, & & sought permission from Ch 861 to do so, if it were to happen, & they agreed readily.
I've never been able to play it all the years I have gone there, & been very happy to be the "Updater & Chef D-Equipe & Water-Carrier" for the VLV Team, so if it happens, it'd be quite something. We shall see.
As far as I am concerned, if you or any other Sky Poker players are in Vegas during that period, you'd be very welcome to run with us, hook up & maybe play some poker together. Several of the lads have already booked for at least part of that period, so fingers crossed, we'll spend some time chilling together in Vegas.
Thank you Tikay for a full and honest response and I can fully understand where issues are now. Of course its something we will all miss this year but I am sure you guys will come up with something to keep us poker addicts happy even if its just a special event at sky while the wsop is on.
Good luck out there and hope you run well again. If you make the FT maybe a Sky onesie should be created so we get the brand across. Lol Tikay in a onesie sure the community would pay for that to be made for you
Could sky have not just advertised a ' Trip To Las Vegas' package (not mentioning WSOP) and just transferred the money to a bank account in the USA and bought people in when the team were over there themselves? Posted by BrownnDog
Was along the same line of thinking I had. So i'll tweak this slightly...
Why not just advertise purely as a "Trip to Las Vegas" package, with 'spending money'? Book a few hotel rooms a stones throw away from the Rio, and deposit the remaining winnings in the player's account so they can take it out themselves and play whichever events they choose. At the very least, could this not have been done with TSP?
Basically, just run the satellites and promotion as usual, give the player the MTT portion winnnings, then meet-up back out there to slap a few patches on, and boom. Your Uncle is a gentleman named Bob.
Thanks for the honest and concise answers Tikay. A couple of Vegas related questions from me....... 1) a) Is the Sky sponsored Pro, Julian Thew, being bought into the main Event either partly or in full by Sky Poker? b) Will Sky Poker be investing in yourself when you do finally decide to play the big one? If either, or both, of these can not be answered, I fully understand. 2) With the opportunity now gone for players to go to Vegas via Sky Poker, can/will they now look into doing some online sats for UK based live bigger tournaments? Posted by MAXALLY
All plans are subject to change & review Alan, because as I noted earlier, there is a Plan C being hatched, but the current position is quite clear.
1a) No. Julian wil be flying home BEFORE the Main Event starts.
1b) I would doubt that, money spent by the Business has to be justified, so unless an "angle" presented itself which satisfied that, no.
2) Fingers crossed, we have something very exciting lined up along those lines, & exclusive to Sky Poker, too.
I know the VLV thing is a disappointment to many, but it is just one of scores of Promotions which Sky Poker run annually, & the ideas factory upstairs has been very busy indeed recently. I'm delighted to say that many of these tasks have been delegated to me, which is what has occupied me so much this year.
The next Sky Poker Cash Game is also close to final Edit, & will be transmitted in late June, fingers crossed. It was recorded in late April/early May, & the whole thing aged me about 70 years, it stressed me to death, I've never done anything so stressful in my whole life, but we really did get some terrific stuff, & I hope it will be worth it.
In Response to Re: VLV update : Was along the same line of thinking I had. So i'll tweak this slightly... Why not just advertise purely as a "Trip to Las Vegas" package, with 'spending money'? Book a few hotel rooms a stones throw away from the Rio, and deposit the remaining winnings in the player's account so they can take it out themselves and play whichever events they choose. At the very least, could this not have been done with TSP? Basically, just run the satellites and promotion as usual, give the player the MTT portion winnnings, then meet-up back out there to slap a few patches on, and boom. Your Uncle is a gentleman named Bob. Posted by Smitalos
Thanks Carlos.
If only......
Do you really think that if we gave the $10,000 to 6 or 7 different players & said "OK, there's the cash, see you in Vegas", then they'd all dutifully turn up?! I very much doubt they would, they'd use the cash for other stuff, which sort of negates the whole ethos of VLV, & would fundamentally change the way the VLV Satellites run, & who plays them. In efect, they'd just be a very top heavy MTT. We could end up with 7 winners & not one of them showed up in Vegas, or they'd bink another package elsewhere & use that instead.
I think we do it properly, as we always have, imo, or not at all.
Thank you Tikay for a full and honest response and I can fully understand where issues are now. Of course its something we will all miss this year but I am sure you guys will come up with something to keep us poker addicts happy even if its just a special event at sky while the wsop is on. Good luck out there and hope you run well again. If you make the FT maybe a Sky onesie should be created so we get the brand across. Lol Tikay in a onesie sure the community would pay for that to be made for you Posted by MRBURNS4
Thanks Burnsy.
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "onesie"?
OK, thats it for now, my dinner is ready, & then I'm gonna relax playing baby PLO8 DYM's for the evening. Nothing relaxes me more after a tricky day at the office.
Wow everytime i move the page theres more to read.
For your effort i would like to give you a duck, i dont have a duck so i found this on google
I thought that one looked colourful
Anyways, back to VLV cant denie im not disappointed, probably saved me a few bob, and at the risk of getting lucky explaining to the family im off to vegas can you baby sit please.
I really do hope that something is sorted for next year.
Will Sky be running a different promo instead throughout the summer months?
In Response to Re: VLV update : I will be in Vegas from June 14th to July 14th, the first 3 weeks playing various PLO8 Tourneys, including one WSOP PLO8 jobbie, & the last week or 10 days doing stuff with Dan for Channel 861. I mentioned earlier the possibility that I may play the Main as part of a private arrangement with friends elsewhere, & & sought permission from Ch 861 to do so, if it were to happen, & they agreed readily. I've never been able to play it all the years I have gone there, & been very happy to be the "Updater & Chef D-Equipe & Water-Carrier" for the VLV Team, so if it happens, it'd be quite something. We shall see. As far as I am concerned, if you or any other Sky Poker players are in Vegas during that period, you'd be very welcome to run with us, hook up & maybe play some poker together. Several of the lads have already booked for at least part of that period, so fingers crossed, we'll spend some time chilling together in Vegas. Posted by Tikay10
Thanks for the reply Tikay. I wont be in Vegas until the end of August so you'll be long gone by then!
Thanks for the honest and concise answers Tikay. A couple of Vegas related questions from me....... 1) a) Is the Sky sponsored Pro, Julian Thew, being bought into the main Event either partly or in full by Sky Poker? b) Will Sky Poker be investing in yourself when you do finally decide to play the big one? If either, or both, of these can not be answered, I fully understand. 2) With the opportunity now gone for players to go to Vegas via Sky Poker, can/will they now look into doing some online sats for UK based live bigger tournaments? Posted by MAXALLY
Thewy is only doing 2 weeks due to his family committments and is home before the ME starts
In Response to Re: VLV update : Thewy is only doing 2 weeks due to his family committments and is home before the ME starts Posted by SolarCarro
Yup.
At one stage, by sheer chance, we were booked to fly out on the same date, but then Ch 861 asked me to do the "Royal Ascot Preview" Show on Thursday 13th June, so I had to delay my departure by a few days.
If all goes to plan, I disembark at McCarron Airport at 2pm on Friday 14th, & will be playing the $600 PLO8 at Venetian which starts at 4pm. Oooohhhh....
Thanks Tikay for the explanation and all the answers to the questions on this thread. I'm sure this is a service we wouldn't get on any other poker site.
None of the other "promos" come close to VLV for me as it's not just about trying to qualify but being able to follow the qualifiers progress in the biggest tournament in the world. Reading updates from a GUKPT or similar doesn't have the same ring to it!
Hope this returns next years, and have fun in Las Vegas.
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f that were possible, we would have done so, but it was not. All avenues were explored, please be assured.
Incidentally, VLV has NEVER been advertised, not ever, as offering a seat into a WSOP Tournament. That would not have been permitted. Legalities are often down to interpretation of laws & guidelines, & the complication with the WSOP specifically comes under "Sky Poker must not be seen to promote overseas Gaming". Which, if you think about it, is quite a wide, broadbrush, requirement, subject to various interpretations.
Edit: BOOM! Slykllist has answered the question better than my ham-fisted attempt.
All the comments & suggestions are taken in good heart, but please accept we tried everything. Fingers crossed, 2014 it will resume, but in the interim, there are tons of other Sky Poker exclusive Promotions, enhancements, bells & whistles in the pipeline.
Aplogies for that.
Im sure you would of rather spent the afternoon reading Great British Branch Lines of the 50s.
Thanks again
There is much to be said for working for a small Company, I spent my life running them, & we were nimble of foot & could duck & dive a bit. Very big Companies, not so much, but they have advantages that small independents don't have.
Swings & swongs.
OK, couple more replies, then that book comes out.
Ooohhh....
I mentioned earlier the possibility that I may play the Main as part of a private arrangement with friends elsewhere, & & sought permission from Ch 861 to do so, if it were to happen, & they agreed readily.
I've never been able to play it all the years I have gone there, & been very happy to be the "Updater & Chef D-Equipe & Water-Carrier" for the VLV Team, so if it happens, it'd be quite something. We shall see.
As far as I am concerned, if you or any other Sky Poker players are in Vegas during that period, you'd be very welcome to run with us, hook up & maybe play some poker together. Several of the lads have already booked for at least part of that period, so fingers crossed, we'll spend some time chilling together in Vegas.
Why not just advertise purely as a "Trip to Las Vegas" package, with 'spending money'? Book a few hotel rooms a stones throw away from the Rio, and deposit the remaining winnings in the player's account so they can take it out themselves and play whichever events they choose. At the very least, could this not have been done with TSP?
Basically, just run the satellites and promotion as usual, give the player the MTT portion winnnings, then meet-up back out there to slap a few patches on, and boom. Your Uncle is a gentleman named Bob.
1a) No. Julian wil be flying home BEFORE the Main Event starts.
1b) I would doubt that, money spent by the Business has to be justified, so unless an "angle" presented itself which satisfied that, no.
2) Fingers crossed, we have something very exciting lined up along those lines, & exclusive to Sky Poker, too.
I know the VLV thing is a disappointment to many, but it is just one of scores of Promotions which Sky Poker run annually, & the ideas factory upstairs has been very busy indeed recently. I'm delighted to say that many of these tasks have been delegated to me, which is what has occupied me so much this year.
The next Sky Poker Cash Game is also close to final Edit, & will be transmitted in late June, fingers crossed. It was recorded in late April/early May, & the whole thing aged me about 70 years, it stressed me to death, I've never done anything so stressful in my whole life, but we really did get some terrific stuff, & I hope it will be worth it.
If only......
Do you really think that if we gave the $10,000 to 6 or 7 different players & said "OK, there's the cash, see you in Vegas", then they'd all dutifully turn up?! I very much doubt they would, they'd use the cash for other stuff, which sort of negates the whole ethos of VLV, & would fundamentally change the way the VLV Satellites run, & who plays them. In efect, they'd just be a very top heavy MTT. We could end up with 7 winners & not one of them showed up in Vegas, or they'd bink another package elsewhere & use that instead.
I think we do it properly, as we always have, imo, or not at all.
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "onesie"?
OK, thats it for now, my dinner is ready, & then I'm gonna relax playing baby PLO8 DYM's for the evening. Nothing relaxes me more after a tricky day at the office.
I'll pick up any other questions in the morning.
Have a good evening.
At one stage, by sheer chance, we were booked to fly out on the same date, but then Ch 861 asked me to do the "Royal Ascot Preview" Show on Thursday 13th June, so I had to delay my departure by a few days.
If all goes to plan, I disembark at McCarron Airport at 2pm on Friday 14th, & will be playing the $600 PLO8 at Venetian which starts at 4pm. Oooohhhh....
None of the other "promos" come close to VLV for me as it's not just about trying to qualify but being able to follow the qualifiers progress in the biggest tournament in the world. Reading updates from a GUKPT or similar doesn't have the same ring to it!
Hope this returns next years, and have fun in Las Vegas.