In Response to Re: WSOP 2013 One Stop Shop : Morning Adam. Best advice I can give you? Give the money to Natalie to play instead of you. She'll talk them to death. Serious answer? For the extra $400, I'd play the WSOP event. MUCH bigger field, much better structure, & the chance of a Bracelet. If the extra $400 is a stretch for you (which I doubt) I'm pretty sure I could round up 5 or 6 Sky Poker regulars in Vegas who would buy 5% or 10% each. See you there. I'll be based in my usual office every morning, the WSOP Media Room, Pole Position, Seat 1, Row 1. Posted by Tikay10
Thanks Tikay, top response!
You are the third person to say basically exactly the same thing about playing the WSOP so I reckon my mind is just about made up. I should be ok for the extra $400 but thanks for the offer to sort staking...I might look into that more in the future. See you on Saturday!
I have to say this thread is making me so jealous im not going this year,I wish all sky players all the poker luck in the world and please keep the updates coming its fantastic reading,Roll on 2014 when i will be there competing in 4 events.
In Response to Re: WSOP 2013 One Stop Shop : I'll try and post as many updates as I can while you're away, I may have to miss the odd day or two but otherwise I can keep this thread ticking over Posted by FCHD
In Response to Re: WSOP 2013 One Stop Shop : Further to my earlier reply, why no clear transparency that a deal had been done BEFORE the commencement of the FT of 6? I found it strange that 6th place was awarded 73,000 euros in chat, when it was 243,000 in reality. Furthermore, when the 'millionaire' check is presented, surely this is false advertising?. With the exposure out there today via the media, surely being open and honest about the pay outs would of been more beneficial? Posted by MAXALLY
It was announced BEFORE play resumed that a deal had been done, or at least it was on quality poker forums.
The sleight of hand as to prizes, & the novelty cheque, is a matter you'll need to raise with the Organisers, it was because ISPT were making a TV programme I believe. It never affected the play, or anyone's money, so no improper deception took place, "artistic licence", but a few people who were railing for free seemed to get a bit excited about. Everybody was paid exactly what they were entitled to be paid, not even 56p short.
Event #9, the Shootout, had a Final Table comprising of 1 x Bulgarian, (Simeon Naydenov, 10th) 1 x Italian (Alessandro Longobardi) & 8 American chaps. David Bakes Baker was the only known notable, he finished 6th.
Event # 10, the LIMIT Hold Em is currently heads up.
72 players were paid, of which exactly two were European, being 1 x Ukranian, & 1 x Italian, everyone else who cashed was from the USA, with the exception of two Canadian chappies.
In Event #12, the $2,600 Six Max where we may have expected the Brits to do well, 23 remain, with only one Brit amongst them, Gary Pearce, & he has a bowl, around 20 Bigs.
As far as I can see, Gary has exactly ONE Live cash of note, & that was a min-cash 5 years ago in a WSOP-E Sidey. Must be quite a thrill for him. He is guaranteed at least $14,000. Go Gary!
The Dane we mentioned yesterday, Mickey Petersen, is still in, as is one of my favourite players, Jeff Lisandro, who claims to be an Italian. There is also a Hungarian, an Isreali, & one from Brazil of all places. Nuts player imo.
Event # 12 was a $1,500 affair, so you'd expect a monster field, but it only got 523 runners.
Why so?
Pot limit.
For reasons which escape me, Pot Limit is not at all popular these days, which is a great shame, as it is a game of great skill where brain beats brawn more often than not. IMO, of course.
Plenty of Brits played, & historically, we are very good at PLO, & we win more than our share of Pot Limit WSOP Bracelets, but we did not do so good this time. Not a good year so far for the Brit contingent.
Amongst those who had a deep run but failed to cash were.....
Neil Channing
Miss Boeree
David Vamplew
Flushy
Rupert Elder
John Eames
Brits still in with a chance are....
Peter Gould
Chris Brammer
Of those remaining, (65 as of now, 54 paid) Jason Mercier looks well placed to go very deep.
Finally, today, Event # 13 was the $5,000 Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo, an absolutely lovely Event to play I would imagine even though it is played as LIMIT. Only 210 runners though, of which 168 remain.
Stu Rutter is hanging in, with around 15 x Bigs, though in Limit Hi-Low, 15 bigs is plenty, even half that & you are not in terribad shape.
The name that caught my eye is Norman Chad, it'd be absolutely wonderful if he had a deep run. He made the Final Table of this event in both 2009 & 2011, & in 2012, he finished 6th in the Hi-Lo Stud/Omaha, so he clearly revels in the 4 card & non-flop split pot games.
Norman does a weekly column called "Couch Slouch" & it includes an "Ask the Slouch" section, & if your question gets answered, the person who sent it in gets a prize of a whole $1.25. Maybe we should try that here. We could go as high as £2.20.
Norman's Twitter feed is an absolute delight to follow.
A few days ago he Tweeted.....
"....WSOP update: Out in 61st. I objected, but dealer insisted I could not continue without chips. Fine. I'll just take my business elsewhere....."
Today's gems from Norman include.....
"....WSOP 5k stud/8 event, thru 4 levels: Started w/ 15,000 chips, now have 14,200. I am treading water in a bathtub that has no drain stopper....."
I hope Jason does really well, if not wins, #event 12 (he is obv in my dream team!)
Also, in #event 13, I spotted little Danny doing well in 18th place plus Jason again on the list at 41st. Does this mean these events are now played on different days when going into Day2's?
WSPO9 $3000 NLH Shootout - 477 entrants Won by American Cliff Josephy for a few bucks shy of $300,000, winning his second bracelet (he won a 7-card stud in 2005)
WSOP10 $1500 Limit Holdem - 645 entrants Won by American Brent Wheeler who took down his first bracelet and a top prize of $191,000
Events ongoing
WSOP11 $2500 6 Max NLH - 924 entrants After day 2 of 3, 14 remain chasing the top prize of $473,000. Levi Burger has a decent chip stack, but there is one Brit still chasing the glory, a Gary Pearce who lies in 12th spot overnight. Chris Boorman busted in 25th, just before the somewhat controversial Jeff Lisandro who departed in 17th.
WSOP12 $1500 Pot limit Holdem, 535 entrants Only 62 remain so they will play down to a final table today. As well as Jason Mercier (see Tikay's post above), Allen Cunningham (Carlo's favourite) has a decent stack, while 2011 ME runner-up Martin Stasko has below average to come back to today
WSOP13 $5,000 Seven Card Stud Hi-Low Split-8 or Better 210 entrants A niche game to be fair, but a very interesting one, equally as good in my opinion as Omaha Hi-Low. over two-thirds of the field made Day 2. Most of the big names are still in (e.g. Negreanu, Matusow, T Brunson, Elezra, Katchalov, Scotty baby, Hellmuth as well as the old-timers mentioned by our very own old timer.
To Start Today WSOP14 $1500 NLH - 3 Day tournament
Maxally - the two events Mercier is still in will be starting at 1pm & 2pm Vegas time today, so he may well be running between the two (but I guess concentrating on event 12 as that is a faster moving event and he can afford to miss quite a bit of the Stud Hi-Lo
WSOP13 $5,000 Seven Card Stud Hi-Low Split-8 or Better 210 entrants A niche game to be fair, but a very interesting one, equally as good in my opinion as Omaha Hi-Low. over two-thirds of the field made Day 2. Most of the big names are still in (e.g. Negreanu, Matusow, T Brunson, Elezra, Katchalov, Scotty baby, Hellmuth as well as the old-timers mentioned by our very own old timer.
Our very own Stu Rutter is in this as tikay mentioned so ive been keeping an eye on it, no updates on hands but he did just go from 16000 to 33000 and has outlasted Scotty Nguyen, Norman Chad, and Phil Hellmuth, about 100 remain with Stu 40th ish, only top 24 paid
GO STU, GO RUTTER, GO GO GO
Gary Pearce, the brit in the 6 handed event sadly bust just before FT
In Response to Re: WSOP 2013 One Stop Shop : Our very own Stu Rutter is in this as tikay mentioned so ive been keeping an eye on it, no updates on hands but he did just go from 16000 to 33000 and has outlasted Scotty Nguyen, Norman Chad, and Phil Hellmuth, about 100 remain with Stu 40th ish, only top 24 paid GO STU, GO RUTTER, GO GO GO Gary Pearce, the brit in the 6 handed event sadly bust just before FT Posted by Janana
Sad to relate, but Stu Rutter is OUT now.
He wrote a brief piece elsewhere about his Tourney, & the exit hand, & I'm sure he won't mind me reproducing it as follows....
"....Reached a peak of 52,000 (from 15k start), but busted on a unavoidable spiral of not winning a pot.
There was a frustrating moment, where I tried to rep the better low on 6th in a three way pot, where Matesow had a better low, showing (Xx)2238 against my (23)3864 board. I checked 6th, the obvious high bet, Matesow called, and I came in with a check-raise, only for the whole table to then realise that the dealer had got the order of action wrong, as there was an all-in player who should have acted first.
Cue pandemonium, Matesow inevitably getting really tilted at the floor, and claiming my raise should not stand, and the floor eventually ruling in my favour. However, I had a feeling that enough had happened to lose me the pot, as Matesow was now over the edge, and not going to pass on 7th, where a calm Matesow might well have done. I was going to give up on the bluff, but actually backed into trip threes, which now looked good for the high half. I bet, the high hand called, and Matesow snapped in the kind of frustrated call of a man who knew he was beat, but couldn't make himself pass.
The high hand had rivered a flush, Matesow was surprised that his 84 low was good, and it was pretty crushing to feel that the decision, albeit going in my favour, may have changed a lot. I am pretty good at taking any beats in live poker, but I found that spot really tough, where another event inadvertedly loses you the pot- or at least possibly so......."
Events that finished yesterday WSPO9 $3000 NLH Shootout - 477 entrants Won by American Cliff Josephy for a few bucks shy of $300,000, winning his second bracelet (he won a 7-card stud in 2005) WSOP10 $1500 Limit Holdem - 645 entrants Won by American Brent Wheeler who took down his first bracelet and a top prize of $191,000 Events ongoing WSOP11 $2500 6 Max NLH - 924 entrants After day 2 of 3, 14 remain chasing the top prize of $473,000. Levi Burger has a decent chip stack, but there is one Brit still chasing the glory, a Gary Pearce who lies in 12th spot overnight. Chris Boorman busted in 25th, just before the somewhat controversial Jeff Lisandro who departed in 17th. WSOP12 $1500 Pot limit Holdem, 535 entrants Only 62 remain so they will play down to a final table today. As well as Jason Mercier (see Tikay's post above), Allen Cunningham (Carlo's favourite) has a decent stack, while 2011 ME runner-up Martin Stasko has below average to come back to today WSOP13 $5,000 Seven Card Stud Hi-Low Split-8 or Better 210 entrants A niche game to be fair, but a very interesting one, equally as good in my opinion as Omaha Hi-Low. over two-thirds of the field made Day 2. Most of the big names are still in (e.g. Negreanu, Matusow, T Brunson, Elezra, Katchalov, Scotty baby, Hellmuth as well as the old-timers mentioned by our very own old timer. To Start Today WSOP14 $1500 NLH - 3 Day tournament Maxally - the two events Mercier is still in will be starting at 1pm & 2pm Vegas time today, so he may well be running between the two (but I guess concentrating on event 12 as that is a faster moving event and he can afford to miss quite a bit of the Stud Hi-Lo Posted by FCHD
I will be unable to do the usual Updates this morning, as I will be Offline by the time play in Vegas finishes for the day, & am on the road all day today from around 9am.
It is unlikely I will be able to do them tomorrow, either, as I will be at SPT Brimingham all day.
Can I just be a bit cheeky and use this thread to ask if Stu Rutter is indeed still "our own" Stu Rutter? He doesn't seem to have been on the show in ages. Is he still with Sky?
I hope so. He's a very good explainer of things.
Also, one more question: Is 'explainer' a word? I have my doubts.
Can I just be a bit cheeky and use this thread to ask if Stu Rutter is indeed still "our own" Stu Rutter? He doesn't seem to have been on the show in ages. Is he still with Sky? I hope so. He's a very good explainer of things. Also, one more question: Is 'explainer' a word? I have my doubts. Posted by BorinLoner
At present, no, due to an unfortunate contractual clash, not of our making, & to some degree, not of Stu's making, either. All parties - Stu, the Business, & myself, worked very hard to overcome the problem but it was not possible.
We remain on excellent terms with Stu, both the business, & myself, & hopefully he will return at some stage in the future.
Agree 100%, he explains poker exceedingly well.
Quite an interesting story, but one for another day.
In Response to Re: WSOP 2013 One Stop Shop : At present, no, due to an unfortunate contractual clash, not of our making, & to some degree, not of Stu's making, either. All parties - Stu, the Business, & myself, worked very hard to overcome the problem but it was not possible. We remain on excellent terms with Stu, both the business, & myself, & hopefully he will return at some stage in the future. Agree 100%, he explains poker exceedingly well. Quite an interesting story, but one for another day. Posted by Tikay10
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I have to say this thread is making me so jealous im not going this year,I wish all sky players all the poker luck in the world and please keep the updates coming its fantastic reading,Roll on 2014 when i will be there competing in 4 events.
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The sleight of hand as to prizes, & the novelty cheque, is a matter you'll need to raise with the Organisers, it was because ISPT were making a TV programme I believe. It never affected the play, or anyone's money, so no improper deception took place, "artistic licence", but a few people who were railing for free seemed to get a bit excited about. Everybody was paid exactly what they were entitled to be paid, not even 56p short.
Good morning.
Event #9, the Shootout, had a Final Table comprising of 1 x Bulgarian, (Simeon Naydenov, 10th) 1 x Italian (Alessandro Longobardi) & 8 American chaps. David Bakes Baker was the only known notable, he finished 6th.
Event # 10, the LIMIT Hold Em is currently heads up.
72 players were paid, of which exactly two were European, being 1 x Ukranian, & 1 x Italian, everyone else who cashed was from the USA, with the exception of two Canadian chappies.
Limit poker, see?
In Event #12, the $2,600 Six Max where we may have expected the Brits to do well, 23 remain, with only one Brit amongst them, Gary Pearce, & he has a bowl, around 20 Bigs.
As far as I can see, Gary has exactly ONE Live cash of note, & that was a min-cash 5 years ago in a WSOP-E Sidey. Must be quite a thrill for him. He is guaranteed at least $14,000. Go Gary!
The Dane we mentioned yesterday, Mickey Petersen, is still in, as is one of my favourite players, Jeff Lisandro, who claims to be an Italian. There is also a Hungarian, an Isreali, & one from Brazil of all places. Nuts player imo.
The rest are all from the US of A.
Event # 12 was a $1,500 affair, so you'd expect a monster field, but it only got 523 runners.
Why so?
Pot limit.
For reasons which escape me, Pot Limit is not at all popular these days, which is a great shame, as it is a game of great skill where brain beats brawn more often than not. IMO, of course.
Plenty of Brits played, & historically, we are very good at PLO, & we win more than our share of Pot Limit WSOP Bracelets, but we did not do so good this time. Not a good year so far for the Brit contingent.
Amongst those who had a deep run but failed to cash were.....
Neil Channing
Miss Boeree
David Vamplew
Flushy
Rupert Elder
John Eames
Brits still in with a chance are....
Peter Gould
Chris Brammer
Of those remaining, (65 as of now, 54 paid) Jason Mercier looks well placed to go very deep.
Finally, today, Event # 13 was the $5,000 Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo, an absolutely lovely Event to play I would imagine even though it is played as LIMIT. Only 210 runners though, of which 168 remain.
Stu Rutter is hanging in, with around 15 x Bigs, though in Limit Hi-Low, 15 bigs is plenty, even half that & you are not in terribad shape.
The name that caught my eye is Norman Chad, it'd be absolutely wonderful if he had a deep run. He made the Final Table of this event in both 2009 & 2011, & in 2012, he finished 6th in the Hi-Lo Stud/Omaha, so he clearly revels in the 4 card & non-flop split pot games.
Norman does a weekly column called "Couch Slouch" & it includes an "Ask the Slouch" section, & if your question gets answered, the person who sent it in gets a prize of a whole $1.25. Maybe we should try that here. We could go as high as £2.20.
Norman's Twitter feed is an absolute delight to follow.
A few days ago he Tweeted.....
"....WSOP update: Out in 61st. I objected, but dealer insisted I could not continue without chips. Fine. I'll just take my business elsewhere....."
Today's gems from Norman include.....
"....WSOP 5k stud/8 event, thru 4 levels: Started w/ 15,000 chips, now have 14,200. I am treading water in a bathtub that has no drain stopper....."
You can follow Norman on @NormanChad
WSPO9 $3000 NLH Shootout - 477 entrants
Won by American Cliff Josephy for a few bucks shy of $300,000, winning his second bracelet (he won a 7-card stud in 2005)
WSOP10 $1500 Limit Holdem - 645 entrants
Won by American Brent Wheeler who took down his first bracelet and a top prize of $191,000
Events ongoing
WSOP11 $2500 6 Max NLH - 924 entrants
After day 2 of 3, 14 remain chasing the top prize of $473,000. Levi Burger has a decent chip stack, but there is one Brit still chasing the glory, a Gary Pearce who lies in 12th spot overnight. Chris Boorman busted in 25th, just before the somewhat controversial Jeff Lisandro who departed in 17th.
WSOP12 $1500 Pot limit Holdem, 535 entrants
Only 62 remain so they will play down to a final table today. As well as Jason Mercier (see Tikay's post above), Allen Cunningham (Carlo's favourite) has a decent stack, while 2011 ME runner-up Martin Stasko has below average to come back to today
WSOP13 $5,000 Seven Card Stud Hi-Low Split-8 or Better 210 entrants
A niche game to be fair, but a very interesting one, equally as good in my opinion as Omaha Hi-Low. over two-thirds of the field made Day 2. Most of the big names are still in (e.g. Negreanu, Matusow, T Brunson, Elezra, Katchalov, Scotty baby, Hellmuth as well as the old-timers mentioned by our very own old timer.
To Start Today
WSOP14 $1500 NLH - 3 Day tournament
Maxally - the two events Mercier is still in will be starting at 1pm & 2pm Vegas time today, so he may well be running between the two (but I guess concentrating on event 12 as that is a faster moving event and he can afford to miss quite a bit of the Stud Hi-Lo
He wrote a brief piece elsewhere about his Tourney, & the exit hand, & I'm sure he won't mind me reproducing it as follows....
"....Reached a peak of 52,000 (from 15k start), but busted on a unavoidable spiral of not winning a pot.
There was a frustrating moment, where I tried to rep the better low on 6th in a three way pot, where Matesow had a better low, showing (Xx)2238 against my (23)3864 board. I checked 6th, the obvious high bet, Matesow called, and I came in with a check-raise, only for the whole table to then realise that the dealer had got the order of action wrong, as there was an all-in player who should have acted first.
Cue pandemonium, Matesow inevitably getting really tilted at the floor, and claiming my raise should not stand, and the floor eventually ruling in my favour. However, I had a feeling that enough had happened to lose me the pot, as Matesow was now over the edge, and not going to pass on 7th, where a calm Matesow might well have done. I was going to give up on the bluff, but actually backed into trip threes, which now looked good for the high half. I bet, the high hand called, and Matesow snapped in the kind of frustrated call of a man who knew he was beat, but couldn't make himself pass.
The high hand had rivered a flush, Matesow was surprised that his 84 low was good, and it was pretty crushing to feel that the decision, albeit going in my favour, may have changed a lot. I am pretty good at taking any beats in live poker, but I found that spot really tough, where another event inadvertedly loses you the pot- or at least possibly so......."
I will be unable to do the usual Updates this morning, as I will be Offline by the time play in Vegas finishes for the day, & am on the road all day today from around 9am.
It is unlikely I will be able to do them tomorrow, either, as I will be at SPT Brimingham all day.
Back Sunday, I hope.
I hope so. He's a very good explainer of things.
Also, one more question: Is 'explainer' a word? I have my doubts.
We remain on excellent terms with Stu, both the business, & myself, & hopefully he will return at some stage in the future.
Agree 100%, he explains poker exceedingly well.
Quite an interesting story, but one for another day.