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nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited June 2013 in The Poker Clinic
nut worse card in the deck ?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
x Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £51.06
dontazeme Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £37.17
  Your hole cards
  • 8
  • 8
     
JACK24 Call   £0.30 £0.75 £18.87
rancid Raise   £1.20 £1.95 £28.80
DannyMcs Fold        
martinlm17 Fold        
x Call   £1.05 £3.00 £50.01
dontazeme Fold        
JACK24 Fold        
Flop
   
  • Q
  • A
  • 8
     
x Check        
rancid Bet   £2.10 £5.10 £26.70
x Call   £2.10 £7.20 £47.91
Turn
   
  • 10
     
x Check        
rancid Bet   £5.70 £12.90 £21.00
x Call   £5.70 £18.60 £42.21
River
   
  • 9
     
x Check        
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  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited June 2013
    HI R

    EXACTLY!
    Not really a cash player but a limp utg seems a bit odd. Trappy or suited connectors? No idea what kind of player x is. By river a number of draws(fl and str have got there) so i think a bet would be of no use, i suspect...check for me on river and get good info too!

    PS KJs certainly fits the bill here i feel.
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2013

    value bet.

    I don't think they're checking down a flush or straight and think there are enough hands out there to pay you off

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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited June 2013
    flats with AA or QQ?
    TT?
    you have to be ahead of most of the villains range
    vbet 4sure
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    Betting 3 quid would be profitable over time.
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited June 2013
    I think I try squeeze a little more value maybe bet around £9-11 hope get called by ax/2pr hands also agree with huuuume don`t think they have flush or straight very often.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    i would deffo value bet on the river as it was checked to u surely the opponent would bet a str8 or a flush if he got there  i dnt agree with dohhh if u bet £3 ya hand looks exactly what it is and trying to extract some thin value so any player with a brain would know this and raise  id b/f around £7 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    If they see it as weak and spa zz out and raise with worse isn't that good?

    P.S. Welcome back
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    i would deffo value bet on the river as it was checked to u surely the opponent would bet a str8 or a flush if he got there  i dnt agree with dohhh if u bet £3 ya hand looks exactly what it is and trying to extract some thin value so any player with a brain would know this and raise  id b/f around £7 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    why not bet/call £3 then?
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    no coz then ya think your set is behind and ya would fold to a raise
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Well that depends, if you're betting an amount that you think will make him raise light, then you can call cos he doesn't have to have us beat.

    If you don't think he'll see it as weak and raise light, then your initial point makes no sense.

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    no coz then ya think your set is behind and ya would fold to a raise
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    if our bet size induces loads of bluffs then why should we fold? we crush bluffs. We've got a set!
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    if u bet £3 then get raised ya gnna think ffs i just been trapped here how is my set of 8s ever good here on such a dangerous river card id rather bet a proper amount  small river bets are block bets and trying to get thin value not hard to suss out see it loads  was a £5 pot yesterday guy bet 50 p each street and on river 50p so obv he has hit but hit weak so i went £7 with air gets thru ofc it gets thru 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    EXACTLY!!

    So we bet £3 with our set of 8s, someone with a miss draw or w/e thinks 'that's a weak bet, I'll raise to £10', we snap and say 'ty sir'.

    If people raise this bet with bluffs, good. If they don't then again you're original statement is wrong, gotta be one or the other.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    y bet light to induce i dnt get it myself just bet a normal amount  so ya betting light to hope the guy raises then your in a tricky situation on weather or not to call or not 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Well you said this earlier in the thread......

    "i dnt agree with dohhh if u bet £3 ya hand looks exactly what it is and trying to extract some thin value so any player with a brain would know this and raise"

    So we look weak to induce the bluff, if we think he is 'half decent', then snap call it off?
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    But as has been discussed (and you agreed), it's unlikely they've checked down a flush or straight, so surely looking weak and getting them to bluff raise makes it even better calling because of the alot of the hands that could beat us they shouldn't have.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    if u hit the river nuts etc would u still bet £3 no u wouldnt these tells are so fricing easy to see i bet £3 for thin value in a £16 pot etc  if i hit nuts on river id bet £10 etc so easy to suss 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    If I think betting £3 into £16 will get me check raised alot of the time (as you seem to believe), then yes ofc I would.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    risk reward

    major issue with this hand, what does oppo continue with on flop ? KJ/J10/J9/Adxd
    then the board runs out blockers to most FD/SD combos

    How can I not shove river ?

    or do we just b/f and if so how much so we don't have to call it off ?


    what range is oppo limp/calling UTG, it's so narrow by river to get value from AQ/A10 - super dooper thin Ax

    you guys - get a room
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013

    bet/fold £3 is better than check back imo.

    Might be a better amount, but betting 3 beans /> checking :D

    unless we know that he thinks £3 'looks like exactly what it is', then we can bet/snap call!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    fwiw £3 or £7 - really no differance ;_)

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    ofc it des rancid £7 is half pot bet £3 is a nothing bet so if u bet £3 and guy bets £15 are u really loving life and call ? if u bet £7 and guy sets u in theres no way your ahead here 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    so if you bet £3 or £7 your still folding ?
    So looking at oppo range what percentage of that c/f, c/c or c/r.

    What is oppo range ? what calls you £7 that you beat as opposed to call or raises with better

    surely we are just throwing away £3 or £7

    do we jst hope oppo has AQ/A10/Ax/Q8 and happily stations three streets on that run out


    loosing 0 />3 />7

    does oppo bluff catch a shove or fold better if we shove !

    winning pot />winning £7 )




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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    n that my freind is why u never beat me on a cash game :)  just to good 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU

    Don't know who that is directed at but thanks for your input...


    now tell me the f...cking password
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited June 2013

    lol IDCU, that was a quick comeback!

    It's nice to be nice. Would it not be best deleting some of the above posts. Totally pointless, flaming  people.

    Well done atleast 1 was deleted!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river?:
    loool that all u got :)
    Posted by IDONKCALLU

    why u delete that silly post where you rubbish my game ?

    Post it back up so everyone can see what a silly boy you are )

    think you have problems with engaing in debate about poker hands, maybe you should avoid it because it's obviously goes over your head.

    but again thanks for the input
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