In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river? : why u delete that silly post where you rubbish my game ? Post it back up so everyone can see what a silly boy you are ) think you have problems with engaing in debate about poker hands, maybe you should avoid it because it's obviously goes over your head. but again thanks for the input Posted by rancid
Yeah it's just a forum IDCU, have your opinions and debate, which is outstanding.
But to then have a go at people, and hide it behind "lols" and "lmaos" putting it across as banter just seems like a waste of energy and time.
You seem like a good guy, but some of that stuff is uncalled for.
In Response to Re: nl30 flopped set, check behind on river? : Yeah it's just a forum IDCU, have your opinions and debate, which is outstanding. But to then have a go at people, and hide it behind "lols" and "lmaos" putting it across as banter just seems like a waste of energy and time. You seem like a good guy, but some of that stuff is uncalled for. Posted by LARSON7
Well IDCU come on this thread and posts directed at me attacking my game for some reason and then deletes the post.
Don't understand what the guys problem is and why he feels the need to rubbish my game and then delete the post -
Super inflated perception of how good you are IDCU ?
We should be betting the same on the river as we would if we had a Jack for the straight since we're looking to be called by roughly the same hands (except sets, obviously, and he never has those given the call on the flop and lack of 3-bet pre-flop). We're not sizing our bets on the strength of our hand but on the strength of the range we're trying to get value from. I'd agree with those saying we're not likely to be check-raised as a bluff on this river too often and we should need very specific reads to suspect this would happen, in my opinion.
So I'd be betting £7 or so here, just the same as if I had the nuts. Our opponent's range doesn't figure to be all that strong, given the action, but I think we will be called often enough to make the £7 better than £3. I don't think it narrows his calling range much more than the £3.
I don't know if we'd bet any weaker hands than bottom set on this river but unless we know he's not calling down with two-pairs, I think we should bet.
If we have a problem with another forum reg it would be best to settle it via PM and not on threads like this. We're all grown ups here, let's treat each other with the respect we deserve.
We should be betting the same on the river as we would if we had a Jack for the straight since we're looking to be called by roughly the same hands (except sets, obviously, and he never has those given the call on the flop and lack of 3-bet pre-flop). We're not sizing our bets on the strength of our hand but on the strength of the range we're trying to get value from. I'd agree with those saying we're not likely to be check-raised as a bluff on this river too often and we should need very specific reads to suspect this would happen, in my opinion. So I'd be betting £7 or so here, just the same as if I had the nuts. Our opponent's range doesn't figure to be all that strong, given the action, but I think we will be called often enough to make the £7 better than £3. I don't think it narrows his calling range much more than the £3. I don't know if we'd bet any weaker hands than bottom set on this river but unless we know he's not calling down with two-pairs, I think we should bet. If we have a problem with another forum reg it would be best to settle it via PM and not on threads like this. We're all grown ups here, let's treat each other with the respect we deserve. Posted by BorinLoner
More I think about it, equally both our ranges get there. Struggling to see what part of oppo range still stations river and if so oppo call's £13 equally as calls £7. How can we be certain that oppo always has the weak part of their range to be betting.
what's in weak part of oppo range that call river if we bet ? Are they calling because they are station or have a bluff catcher ? both ends of oppo range have us beat, so we are beating a very narrow portion. If we are considering v/b verus a smaller percentage of combos, then this has got to be -EV.
Funny thing is if we beleive oppo will station river with such a weak holding then maybe we should just shove ! Will a shove fold out hands that have us beat if oppo is not a station but how do we balance that with oppo folding better.
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More I think about it, I like a check because if we bet most of the time we are beat
But anyway, anyone fancy a check on the turn ?
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How many Jx hands does he call the flop with? Does he call with KJ? If we think he does call with KJ then he probably stations river with weaker hands. If he doesn't call KJ then he probably doesn't have better on this river.
We're basically looking to be called by only two-pairs or stationed with top-pair, yes. However, having checked the river I wouldn't expect him to have many better hands. Our range should be a lot of hands that check-back the river but might call a bet so if he has a flush or a straight himself he should bet. Whether he believes that or not, who knows?
If we don't think we'll be called by two-pair hands or worse then don't bet, obviously. However, I wouldn't think he has better very often so give him the chance to call with worse.
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But to then have a go at people, and hide it behind "lols" and "lmaos" putting it across as banter just seems like a waste of energy and time.
You seem like a good guy, but some of that stuff is uncalled for.
Don't understand what the guys problem is and why he feels the need to rubbish my game and then delete the post -
Super inflated perception of how good you are IDCU ?
wow
So I'd be betting £7 or so here, just the same as if I had the nuts. Our opponent's range doesn't figure to be all that strong, given the action, but I think we will be called often enough to make the £7 better than £3. I don't think it narrows his calling range much more than the £3.
I don't know if we'd bet any weaker hands than bottom set on this river but unless we know he's not calling down with two-pairs, I think we should bet.
If we have a problem with another forum reg it would be best to settle it via PM and not on threads like this. We're all grown ups here, let's treat each other with the respect we deserve.
Struggling to see what part of oppo range still stations river and if so oppo call's £13 equally as calls £7.
How can we be certain that oppo always has the weak part of their range to be betting.
what's in weak part of oppo range that call river if we bet ?
Are they calling because they are station or have a bluff catcher ?
both ends of oppo range have us beat, so we are beating a very narrow portion.
If we are considering v/b verus a smaller percentage of combos, then this has got to be -EV.
Funny thing is if we beleive oppo will station river with such a weak holding then maybe we should just shove !
Will a shove fold out hands that have us beat if oppo is not a station but how do we balance that with oppo folding better.
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More I think about it, I like a check because if we bet most of the time we are beat
But anyway, anyone fancy a check on the turn ?
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Yeah respect, I don't give respect when people don't show respect.
We're basically looking to be called by only two-pairs or stationed with top-pair, yes. However, having checked the river I wouldn't expect him to have many better hands. Our range should be a lot of hands that check-back the river but might call a bet so if he has a flush or a straight himself he should bet. Whether he believes that or not, who knows?
If we don't think we'll be called by two-pair hands or worse then don't bet, obviously. However, I wouldn't think he has better very often so give him the chance to call with worse.
but J9/J10 sooted gives up on turn
given board runs out 10d, 9d - destroys fd combo and narrows down to offsuit
what two prs ? AQ/A10/Q8
one prs - possible Ax
what portion we v/b against Ax,AQ
factor in strong limp/call range of AA/QQ
random suited K10's, Ax's
still looks like value combos have us in bad shape and turns up with more combos that have us beat but honestly might do some concrete maths later