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table etiquette

jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
edited June 2013 in Poker Chat
ok so I was playing £500 bh tonight and a new player at the table starting announcing their hand in the chat box during the middle of the hands. i.e. someone raised their bb and they said something along the lines of "10s bingo time" before shoving all in. 2nd time I raised 3 x bb, 1 caller and again from bb she said "AK" before calling. I won the hand anyway :) 

after the second time I asked them quite politely to stop at which point they said to me "if you rr me I will call my hand out". one of the two hands they announced was shown and the hand they announced was the same.

Was I right to inform cs? I feel like a real snitch. If not what else should I do?
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  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited June 2013
    Report, report, report........weird behaviour is out of order and ruins people's enjoyment. We want a fair game. You did the correct thing. Nice one...
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    To be fair, if someone wants to tell me their hand during play that's fine by me lol. Personally I wouldn't believe them, even if they got to showdown once and they told the truth I still wouldn't take what they said in future hands as red.

    I might be wrong but I don't think they're actually breaking any rules, just leave them to it.
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    To be fair, if someone wants to tell me their hand during play that's fine by me lol. Personally I wouldn't believe them, even if they got to showdown once and they told the truth I still wouldn't take what they said in future hands as red. I might be wrong but I don't think they're actually breaking any rules, just leave them to it.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Decided to have a google to see if there was a hard fast rule on this and it appears it's a bit of a murky area lol seems to be a lot of info saying you're allowed to lie about your hand but telling the truth is against the rules - very strange. you'd think the rules regarding this kind of thing would be pretty much black and white.

    for anyone who's interested here's a couple of links I found:

    http://pokergrump.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/lying-about-your-hand.html

    http://www.wsop.com/news/varchive.asp?aid=172
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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2013
    You know that when people say they have a certain hand..... a)  They probably don't      b)   Even if they do, you can never be sure.  So just pretend you dont know ....
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    had this problem once in pub tournament, announced 3 times he had KK and each time he had it and each time got paid off, not be me though, its very annoying though and terrible form in my book.
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  • pacman599pacman599 Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2013
    Agree, does anyone know the exact rule on what you can say about your hand, I have also read that you can lie about what you have but not tell the truth. I remember a cash game on Poker TV with Rob Yong, Rastarfish and a couple of sportsmen and a bit of a dispute broke out but one of the guys was anouncing what he had. Please, someone who knows the rule....DO TELL
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited June 2013
    It can vary between venues, but I know that at Dusk til Dawn, as long as you're involved in the hand you can say whatever you like as I've seen the floor called and asked to confirm this.
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited June 2013
    Whenever i have played live the rule has been, you can say what you think the other person has but you cant say what you have, whether that be true or false, you can normally get away with saying the kind of range you have if for any reason you wanted to, But i have always been made aware you cant name your cards until after the hand., I have no idea if the same rules apply online but i guess its always best to check
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited June 2013

    it sounds like something that would be really easy to have a rule for but when you think about it it's actually quite difficult.

    I.e. saying "I have AK" or "can you beat top pair top kicker?"

    seemed to be a bit of an argument between negreanu and some event official took place regarding it.

    http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/pets/lucky-dog-poker/negreanu-savage-square-off-over-tda-s-table-talk-rule.html

    I think the collusion argument is reason enough to ban anything like it. i.e. if disclosing your hands was allowed it would make collusion almost impossible to detect.

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  • Frank53Frank53 Member Posts: 163
    edited June 2013
    In Response to table etiquette:
    ok so I was playing £500 bh tonight and a new player at the table starting announcing their hand in the chat box during the middle of the hands. i.e. someone raised their bb and they said something along the lines of "10s bingo time" before shoving all in. 2nd time I raised 3 x bb, 1 caller and again from bb she said "AK" before calling. I won the hand anyway :)  after the second time I asked them quite politely to stop at which point they said to me "if you rr me I will call my hand out". one of the two hands they announced was shown and the hand they announced was the same. Was I right to inform cs? I feel like a real snitch. If not what else should I do?
    Posted by jdsallstar
    Table  banter, ive done this before, when heads up....BUT...am i telling the truth or bluffing, i want to ruffle your feathers or make you think...whats this bozo up to...I dont hold with folk who run to teacher...!!!!
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  • Frank53Frank53 Member Posts: 163
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    Report, report, report........weird behaviour is out of order and ruins people's enjoyment. We want a fair game. You did the correct thing. Nice one...
    Posted by profman15
    Please Miss, He Doned it, it was him Miss!!!...You want a fair game YET you play ONLINE poker ....Ho Ho Ho!!
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  • pacman599pacman599 Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    In Response to Re: table etiquette : Please Miss, He Doned it, it was him Miss!!!...You want a fair game YET you play ONLINE poker ....Ho Ho Ho!!
    Posted by Frank53
    Harsh comments...... I think we all want to play within the rules dont we???? Sounds like some of maybe dont !!!

    Personally I feel you should not be able to say what you actually have but could say anything else. As long as we know they are not saying what they actually have then they could have any 2 cards but the ones they say they have. I dont think they should even be able to say the range "I have a decent pair", if they have a pair,
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    In Response to Re: table etiquette : Please Miss, He Doned it, it was him Miss!!!...You want a fair game YET you play ONLINE poker ....Ho Ho Ho!!
    Posted by Frank53
    Frank, ignoring the obvious obnoxious nature of your posts, can I ask why you come on to the skypoker forum but don't actually play poker on sky?
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  • jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
    edited June 2013
    At my local casino you can say whatever you want about your holdings. As the floor put it we allow speech play here so you can say what you want about your hand providing you are still in the hand.
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  • pacman599pacman599 Member Posts: 51
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    In Response to Re: table etiquette : Frank, ignoring the obvious obnoxious nature of your posts, can I ask why you come on to the skypoker forum but don't actually play poker on sky?
    Posted by jdsallstar
    Glad it isnt just me that thought it was an obnoxious post !!
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited June 2013
    Free info ftw, makes my life easier, keep em in the game i say 
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    Some plank (local player, not a Sky guy) at SPT Luton last year was very vocal about what he had, or at least claimed to have. Just thinking about him tilts me.

    It's a bit of a grey area really.
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  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,899
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    Free info ftw, makes my life easier, keep em in the game i say 
    Posted by The_Don90
    would you feel the same if they won a massive pot off you or even bust you
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    In Response to Re: table etiquette : would you feel the same if they won a massive pot off you or even bust you
    Posted by stokefc
    Don't see how it would matter to be honest. Imo if someone tells you what they have, I'd just ignore it and play the hand as if they hadn't said anything.

    If you're stacking off cos you believed them or because you didn't despite what you'd have normally done if they hadn't said anything, then you've done exactly what they were aiming to get you to do.
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: table etiquette:
    In Response to Re: table etiquette : Frank, ignoring the obvious obnoxious nature of your posts, can I ask why you come on to the skypoker forum but don't actually play poker on sky?
    Posted by jdsallstar
    for some reason he is not registered with sharkscope either. 
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