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Last nights main could i have got away from this?

est1967est1967 Member Posts: 247
edited July 2013 in The Poker Clinic
Im thinking could I have have got away from this hand.My pre flop call was not great tbh but on this flop with 2 call bets I decide to jam was this right/wrong. Im still thinking if flush has already hit I still have outs until I saw the board lol.  PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancewynne1938 Small blind  15.00 15.00 2690.00 cannibal70 Big blind  30.00 45.00 2230.00   Your hole cards 7 7       Poshbird Call  30.00 75.00 1862.50 kidgirlgy Raise  150.00 225.00 1367.50 floppedout Fold     est1967 Call  150.00 375.00 1540.00 wynne1938 Fold     cannibal70 Fold     Poshbird Call  120.00 495.00 1742.50 Flop    7 Q 8       Poshbird Bet  247.50 742.50 1495.00 kidgirlgy Call  247.50 990.00 1120.00 est1967 All-in  1540.00 2530.00 0.00 Poshbird Call  1292.50 3822.50 202.50 kidgirlgy All-in  1120.00 4942.50 0.00 Poshbird Show 8 8    kidgirlgy Show A K    est1967 Show 7 7    Turn    J       River    A       kidgirlgy Win Flush to the Ace 4597.50  4597.50 Poshbird Win Three 8s 345.00  547.50
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    I'm playing it exactly as you did
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    fold pre or shove

    flop - what else you going to do - fold !
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  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited June 2013
    Hi sir

    I don't think there's anything to get away from tbh. This is what you want, to flop a 7. Just vul set over set. You still have good equity v the flush. TBh i'd plsay it the exact same way myself.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    fold pre or shove flop - what else you going to do - fold !
    Posted by rancid
    Whaaaaat, really?

    You're 3bet shoving nearly 60xBB with 77 over just a limp and an iso?
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  • est1967est1967 Member Posts: 247
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : Whaaaaat, really? You're 3bet shoving nearly 60xBB with 77 over just a limp and an iso?
    Posted by Lambert180
    +1
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : Whaaaaat, really? You're 3bet shoving nearly 60xBB with 77 over just a limp and an iso?
    Posted by Lambert180
    They are just better options that just calling
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited June 2013
    Shove or fold pre
    It's been said before
    I'll say it again
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited June 2013
    Shoving pre is a suicide play here imo.  So little to gain, so much to lose and never (a word I rarely use in poker but I believe it so much in this case I am about to use it again with bold and italics and everything) never in good shape if called.  The only benefit to shoving is 88 to maybe JJ can fold.

    Call or fold imo, both acceptable in certain circumstances.  We're facing a 5x which is very rarely light.  However we like flopping sets against strong preflop ranges as this increases the chances of getting the lot on the occasions we catch that set.

    On the flop, I too am putting on my coat and saying good luck everyone.
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    some terrible advice in here from winning players that should no better, why is 3 bet shoving 56 bbs good??? someone please explain cos it has me beat!!!
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  • est1967est1967 Member Posts: 247
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    some terrible advice in here from winning players that should no better, why is 3 bet shoving 56 bbs good??? someone please explain cos it has me beat!!!
    Posted by THEROCK573
    +1
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    think ya all misunderstand my post, don't think it's terrible advice but hey........

    fold />shove />call


    The only problem I have with calling is, your only calling to hit a set - and your calling a percentage of your stack that I am not overly keen on - if you want to compound you own misery on a 925r by calling not to just hit a set then be my guest to wittle your stack away - imo we just ain't deep enough facing the 5xraise to set mine - I mean we are never even guarenteed that oppo will stack flop anyway if we hit set - oppo may have QQ and the flop comes down AK7
    In contrast the other player set mining is fine.

    Is a shove better than a call, as mentioned above will probably fold out a certain range (88-JJ, AJ,AQ) so it's not terrible
    Ofc we only get called by better prs  and AK
    Alot revolves around what range we put oppo on for the 5x and how much fold equity we think we have.

    FWIW I fold pre
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    think ya all misunderstand my post, don't think it's terrible advice but hey........ fold />shove />call The only problem I have with calling is, your only calling to hit a set - and your calling a percentage of your stack that I am not overly keen on - if you want to compound you own misery on a 925r by calling not to just hit a set then be my guest to wittle your stack away - imo we just ain't deep enough facing the 5xraise to set mine - I mean we are never even guarenteed that oppo will stack flop anyway if we hit set - oppo may have QQ and the flop comes down AK7 In contrast the other player set mining is fine. Is a shove better than a call, as mentioned above will probably fold out a certain range (88-JJ, AJ,AQ) so it's not terrible Ofc we only get called by better prs  and AK Alot revolves around what range we put oppo on for the 5x and how much fold equity we think we have. FWIW I fold pre
    Posted by rancid
    whats wrong with 3 betting to around 400??? 
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : whats wrong with 3 betting to around 400??? 
    Posted by THEROCK573
    Are we 3bet/calling it off, or 3bet/folding?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : whats wrong with 3 betting to around 400??? 
    Posted by THEROCK573
    everything


    plus i forget to mention we not closing the betting when we call, someone 3 bets behind we are crying like a child
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : Are we 3bet/calling it off, or 3bet/folding?
    Posted by Lambert180
    i could only make that decision in game really, i dont think its bad though if you were to 3 bet fold, still leaving yourself with +40bbs.
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : everything plus i forget to mention we not closing the betting when we call, someone 3 bets behind we are crying like a child
    Posted by rancid
    im not saying call, i think callings poor but if you pick up AA in this spot then i could guarentee that you wouldnt be just 3 bet shoving a 56bb stack!!
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  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited June 2013
    I play it exactly as played.  Obv 5x is pretty strong but im never.... ever.... ever shoving pre.  Fold or call pre then I too get knocked out.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : im not saying call, i think callings poor but if you pick up AA in this spot then i could guarentee that you wouldnt be just 3 bet shoving a 56bb stack!!
    Posted by THEROCK573
    Maybe some do 3 bet shove and some don't, but I don't get the point your trying to make

    We are just making what we deem to be the best play with the hand we have

    We ain't deep enough to worry about anything else

    Basically with these hands we will do x, and these hands we will do Y....etc..

    Your obviously implying something...just not sure what

    I mean facing 5x iso, what range are we 3betting this deep ? Is it really wide, do we include bluffs..


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  • est1967est1967 Member Posts: 247
    edited June 2013
    As I stated in thread my pre flop call on 5x is poor imo,But im never shoving pre so in hindsight just fold pre was maybe the answer but with 50bbs left I was thinking if I set mine wiiiiiiiiii BUT!!
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Last nights main could i have got away from this? : Maybe some do 3 bet shove and some don't, but I don't get the point your trying to make We are just making what we deem to be the best play with the hand we have We ain't deep enough to worry about anything else Basically with these hands we will do x, and these hands we will do Y....etc.. Your obviously implying something...just not sure what I mean facing 5x iso, what range are we 3betting this deep ? Is it really wide, do we include bluffs..
    Posted by rancid
    im not trying to imply anything other than 3 bet shoving 56bbs is not very wise in my opinion. foldings extremely nitty and i dont like flatting so in my opinion i raise to 400. that is all im saying, just my view for what its worth, not saying its correct!!!
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