Yeah I have noticed a considerable amount less players since I came back. The clinic was jam packed with hands from all levels when I first started now no one apart from Lambert posts hands. If they revamp the site it may help.
Apolz for being a party po oper but I can't see this being successful in a million yearz..... You might as well arrange a sit n go between 6 female players on facebook or the teamtalk forum, that's what it's going to end up as.... These team MTTs struggle with runners at the best of times, that's for all teams. But now it's females only, and also PLO, I think you'll be lucky to get 6. If i's going to work on Sky (I don't think it will at all personally) it will have to be arranged properly and marketed/advertised well in advance, maybe then there might be 30 or so players for a few weeks before the novelty wears off. The mtts on here are very poor outside of the 8pms and the rollers. I think Sky should prioritise sorting the existing schedule out before introducing stuff like this. It's very easy to arrange sngs on here between friends, male/female/whatever. MTT lobby is saturated with rubbish MTTs/Sats that often don't even run due to lack of numbers, I think the problem needs sorting, not enhancing! GL all playing anyway. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
LOL, It was a trifle tongue in cheek JJ!!
Our THS PLO tournie runs every Sunday with only 4-6 runners only sometimes, so my suggestion aint hurting anything!!
....Who Knows, be positive, I already got Charlotte, Anna, Sara, Tatjana, LML, possibly playing, so with all the lads Jumping in for the banter & Paying The Pint Fine anyway, I'm Quids in already
.....could become a sort of Poker Speed Dating nite, at only £3.30 +PintFine cost, it Cannot Fail ....
In Response to Re: New female tourneys : LOL, It was a trifle tongue in cheek JJ!! Who Knows, be positive, I already got Charlotte, Anna, Sara, Tatyana, LML, possibly playing, so with all the lads Jumping in for the banter & Paying The Pint Fine anyway , I'm Quids in already .....could become a sort of Poker Speed Dating nite, at only a Pint cost, it Cannot Fail .... Can it?? anyway back to OP, you sidetracking Us JJ Posted by HITMAN_RV
I would!
Nice line up tbf, maybe a good time for Sky to introduce webcam tables?
I maybe Misunderpitated the balance of the thread, I'm sure the female squaddieathon will do ok as a 1 off, but the idea in OP may work longer term on the site if done 'properly'.
Poker is very much a level playing field, so why have women only events. iF I was a women poker player, I would be quite offended by the idea. Posted by rancid
The point is to attract more customers, new players will be of a lower standard so it isn't a level playing field and some just want to play in a friendly comp. The same as free rolls but targeting a niche in a market.
In Response to Re: New female tourneys : why do you feel this is? Posted by Batkin88
I’ll try my best to do it in cliff-note-esque form, instead of the usual drab 10page essay, just for ease (and b/c I’m tired as fook and desperately need some dindins).
1) - In other sports/games, mainly due to our biology, men have an inherent advantage over women (athletically anyway). We don’t have that problem in poker (it being a mind-game, where each sex is on a level playing field). So on the point of ‘natural ability’, or whatever you want to call it, we don’t have that issue there.
2) - If people want to create ‘women only’ games, whereby men are held back from playing due to no fault of their own, where do you draw the line? What about age-limited tourneys, or ethnic-specific events? The minute you decide to exclude people, you’re creating problems. If you’re for the motion, you need to ask yourself WHY you believe that we need women-only games in poker, and what benefit they can have on the poker economy, not just for those taking part. These games should benefit both the IN-group, AND the out-group.
3) - If for example you said, “we want to encourage new female players to give poker a shot”, then aren’t you advertising these games directly to women who would want to try poker, but just don’t want to play against men? Does that not seem a little crazy, to you? You’d accomplish the same, and THEN some by advertising ‘Rookies only’ games. Where new players can get their feet wet without feeling intimidated by the more experienced players. Isn’t that typically a big part of ones’ argument for trying to get women to try poker? Why stop there? Advertise to men and women, old and young, of all backgrounds and ethnicities.
4) - In an age of equal rights and the erosion of social norms, this would only serve to build yet more barriers, dividing people. If women want equal rights (and who doesn’t, right?) then there can’t be any hypocritical double-standard when they want to sit down and play a game they enjoy.
…By segregating the sexes, you’re only drawing attention to a fabricated social stigma that men and women are different. That in some cases, they need to be separated (for the ‘greater good’).
(which brings up another problematic topic of ‘subjective greater good’, yatta yatta yatta)
If you’re lobbying for the separation of men and women in a game that you like to play, because you’d have a more comfortable experience around those of the same sex, the problem is with you. The rest of us shouldn’t be discriminated against because you’re uncomfortable hanging around people that have bigger muscles, or some junk between their legs. You need to challenge your own feelings and opinions of social situations involving the opposite sex, or heck, maybe you've just been hanging around with an awfully dire set of people of a different gender. Either way, it’s a prejudice, backwards, 20th century attitude that needs to freakin' die already.
EDIT: Fml on my attempt at cliff-notage. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gg
In Response to Re: New female tourneys : I’ll try my best to do it in cliff-note-esque form, instead of the usual drab 10page essay, just for ease (and b/c I’m tired as fook and desperately need some dindins). 1) - In other sports/games, mainly due to our biology, men have an inherent advantage over women (athletically anyway). We don’t have that problem in poker (it being a mind-game, where each sex is on a level playing field). So on the point of ‘natural ability’, or whatever you want to call it, we don’t have that issue there. 2) - If people want to create ‘women only’ games, whereby men are held back from playing due to no fault of their own, where do you draw the line? What about age-limited tourneys, or ethnic-specific events? The minute you decide to exclude people, you’re creating problems. If you’re for the motion, you need to ask yourself WHY you believe that we need women-only games in poker, and what benefit they can have on the poker economy, not just for those taking part. These games should benefit both the IN-group, AND the out-group. 3) - If for example you said, “we want to encourage new female players to give poker a shot”, then aren’t you advertising these games directly to women who would want to try poker, but just don’t want to play against men? Does that not seem a little crazy, to you? You’d accomplish the same, and THEN some by advertising ‘Rookies only’ games. Where new players can get their feet wet without feeling intimidated by the more experienced players. Isn’t that typically a big part of ones’ argument for trying to get women to try poker? Why stop there? Advertise to men and women, old and young, of all backgrounds and ethnicities. 4) - In an age of equal rights and the erosion of social norms, this would only serve to build yet more barriers, dividing people. If women want equal rights (and who doesn’t, right?) then there can’t be any hypocritical double-standard when they want to sit down and play a game they enjoy. …By segregating the sexes, you’re only drawing attention to a fabricated social stigma that men and women are different. That in some cases, they need to be separated (for the ‘greater good’). (which brings up another problematic topic of ‘subjective greater good’, yatta yatta yatta) If you’re lobbying for the separation of men and women in a game that you like to play, because you’d have a more comfortable experience around those of the same sex, the problem is with you. The rest of us shouldn’t be discriminated against because you’re uncomfortable hanging around people that have bigger muscles, or some junk between their legs. You need to challenge your own feelings and opinions of social situations involving the opposite sex, or heck, maybe you've just been hanging around with an awfully dire set of people of a different gender. Either way, it’s a prejudice, backwards, 20 th century attitude that needs to freakin' die already. EDIT: Fml on my attempt at cliff-notage. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gg Posted by Smitalos
Wow slightly over the top, it isn't sexist first of all it is the same as the major sites advertising European only or UK only. It is there to attract customers from all areas.
I am more than comfortable playing poker with anyone that is not the point I was trying to make, but as per usual there is also a complete jobs worth who takes everything as a direct insult.
Isn't there a female WSOOP event and an over 50 one? Not 100% but I have heard something along these lines from somewhere.
This thread is not intended to alienate players but to bring more in for specific reasons, if this attracts just 1 new player then surely that's good yes?
I understand your issues but I feel you have gone well over the top, also the last bolded paragraph is just childish and immature. How about have a female only tournament to attract new customers and then a male only one?
Also from this point onwards can you stop smashing your keyboard like a caveman and making childish remarks to make you feel better about yourself and remember this is a forum where you can express your side in a more adult like manner like others have prior to you.
In Response to Re: New female tourneys : Wow slightly over the top, it isn't sexist first of all it is the same as the major sites advertising European only or UK only. It is there to attract customers from all areas. I am more than comfortable playing poker with anyone that is not the point I was trying to make, but as per usual there is also a complete jobs worth who takes everything as a direct insult. Isn't there a female WSOOP event and an over 50 one? Not 100% but I have heard something along these lines from somewhere. This thread is not intended to alienate players but to bring more in for specific reasons, if this attracts just 1 new player then surely that's good yes? I understand your issues but I feel you have gone well over the top, also the last bolded paragraph is just childish and immature. How about have a female only tournament to attract new customers and then a male only one? Also from this point onwards can you stop smashing your keyboard like a caveman and making childish remarks to make you feel better about yourself and remember this is a forum where you can express your side in a more adult like manner like others have prior to you. Posted by Batkin88
Will edit this into a reply later. Just saving your post, hunnybun
I have reflected at how this may come across, I did not mean this as a discriminative thing towards men. I just genuinely thought it would be a good way of getting more female players in. I don't want to read post like the last one so I retract the entire thing and apologise to anyone I offended.
Just PM me and don't be derogatory that is also childish. I am happy to talk/debate but not argue/insult as I have the ability to exercise my views without insulting someone else from behind a PC monitor.
Just PM me and don't be derogatory that is also childish. I am happy to talk/debate but not argue/insult as I have the ability to exercise my views without insulting someone else from behind a PC monitor. Posted by Batkin88
Patronising someone with condescending posts, along with undermining thier intelligence is something you're allowed to do from behind the PC, then?
Equal rights topics like these deserve to be public. Anything you want to say to me, just say it here, s'all good.
Thread has gone out of control. Ladies MTTs are fine, where there is a demand for them and where they will be successful. WSOP is an example of where it works (check the numbers) Sky Poker is an example of a place where it wont work. Right now. (check the numbers) Any discussion beyond that about discrimination/sexism etc is just pointless, a waste of time Posted by DOHHHHHHH
JJ, I love ya man, and just putting this out there, but...
"When you keep sitting on the fence, you eventually get splinters in your @rse"
Can you please point out there this thread went "out of control"? (in your opinion anyway)
I'd also argue the exact opposite, RE: "Any discussion beyond that about discrimination/sexism etc is just pointless, a waste of time "
If anything, debating social sexism, how we deal with discrimination, intolerating the intolerant, or other equal rights issues... is WAY more important than whether we should introduce a new MTT set-up on a fairly unknown site.
This is a poker chat room, KEY WORD = POKER! You have twisted this and blown it well out of proportion. I agree with what you are saying, I don't want it to come across the way you feel it is. If it does then apologies as stated in a prior post. I was merely looking at ways of getting more new players in, I saw that this is something other sites are doing but this is not and thought it was a good idea to put it out there. Again apologies for you taking it the wrong way but I am assuming you enjoy a good argument online hence your previous posts.
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LOL, It was a trifle tongue in cheek JJ!!
Our THS PLO tournie runs every Sunday with only 4-6 runners only sometimes, so my suggestion aint hurting anything!!
....Who Knows, be positive, I already got Charlotte, Anna, Sara, Tatjana, LML, possibly playing, so with all the lads Jumping in for the banter & Paying The Pint Fine anyway, I'm Quids in already
.....could become a sort of Poker Speed Dating nite, at only £3.30 +PintFine cost, it Cannot Fail ....
Can it??
anyway back to OP, you sidetracking Us JJ
Nice line up tbf, maybe a good time for Sky to introduce webcam tables?
I maybe Misunderpitated the balance of the thread, I'm sure the female squaddieathon will do ok as a 1 off, but the idea in OP may work longer term on the site if done 'properly'.
GL in the game, women ftw!
iF I was a women poker player, I would be quite offended by the idea.
I’ll try my best to do it in cliff-note-esque form, instead of the usual drab 10page essay, just for ease (and b/c I’m tired as fook and desperately need some dindins).
1) - In other sports/games, mainly due to our biology, men have an inherent advantage over women (athletically anyway). We don’t have that problem in poker (it being a mind-game, where each sex is on a level playing field). So on the point of ‘natural ability’, or whatever you want to call it, we don’t have that issue there.
2) - If people want to create ‘women only’ games, whereby men are held back from playing due to no fault of their own, where do you draw the line? What about age-limited tourneys, or ethnic-specific events? The minute you decide to exclude people, you’re creating problems. If you’re for the motion, you need to ask yourself WHY you believe that we need women-only games in poker, and what benefit they can have on the poker economy, not just for those taking part. These games should benefit both the IN-group, AND the out-group.
3) - If for example you said, “we want to encourage new female players to give poker a shot”, then aren’t you advertising these games directly to women who would want to try poker, but just don’t want to play against men? Does that not seem a little crazy, to you? You’d accomplish the same, and THEN some by advertising ‘Rookies only’ games. Where new players can get their feet wet without feeling intimidated by the more experienced players. Isn’t that typically a big part of ones’ argument for trying to get women to try poker? Why stop there? Advertise to men and women, old and young, of all backgrounds and ethnicities.
4) - In an age of equal rights and the erosion of social norms, this would only serve to build yet more barriers, dividing people. If women want equal rights (and who doesn’t, right?) then there can’t be any hypocritical double-standard when they want to sit down and play a game they enjoy.
…By segregating the sexes, you’re only drawing attention to a fabricated social stigma that men and women are different. That in some cases, they need to be separated (for the ‘greater good’).
(which brings up another problematic topic of ‘subjective greater good’, yatta yatta yatta)
If you’re lobbying for the separation of men and women in a game that you like to play, because you’d have a more comfortable experience around those of the same sex, the problem is with you. The rest of us shouldn’t be discriminated against because you’re uncomfortable hanging around people that have bigger muscles, or some junk between their legs. You need to challenge your own feelings and opinions of social situations involving the opposite sex, or heck, maybe you've just been hanging around with an awfully dire set of people of a different gender. Either way, it’s a prejudice, backwards, 20th century attitude that needs to freakin' die already.
EDIT: Fml on my attempt at cliff-notage. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gg
Wow slightly over the top, it isn't sexist first of all it is the same as the major sites advertising European only or UK only. It is there to attract customers from all areas.
I am more than comfortable playing poker with anyone that is not the point I was trying to make, but as per usual there is also a complete jobs worth who takes everything as a direct insult.
Isn't there a female WSOOP event and an over 50 one? Not 100% but I have heard something along these lines from somewhere.
This thread is not intended to alienate players but to bring more in for specific reasons, if this attracts just 1 new player then surely that's good yes?
I understand your issues but I feel you have gone well over the top, also the last bolded paragraph is just childish and immature. How about have a female only tournament to attract new customers and then a male only one?
Also from this point onwards can you stop smashing your keyboard like a caveman and making childish remarks to make you feel better about yourself and remember this is a forum where you can express your side in a more adult like manner like others have prior to you.
Thread has gone out of control.
Ladies MTTs are fine, where there is a demand for them and where they will be successful.
WSOP is an example of where it works (check the numbers)
Sky Poker is an example of a place where it wont work. Right now. (check the numbers)
Any discussion beyond that about discrimination/sexism etc is just pointless, a waste of time
Equal rights topics like these deserve to be public. Anything you want to say to me, just say it here, s'all good.
"When you keep sitting on the fence, you eventually get splinters in your @rse"
Can you please point out there this thread went "out of control"? (in your opinion anyway)
I'd also argue the exact opposite, RE:
"Any discussion beyond that about discrimination/sexism etc is just pointless, a waste of time
If anything, debating social sexism, how we deal with discrimination, intolerating the intolerant, or other equal rights issues...
is WAY more important than whether we should introduce a new MTT set-up on a fairly unknown site.
Ya know, i'mma jus' sayin'
This is a poker chat room, KEY WORD = POKER! You have twisted this and blown it well out of proportion. I agree with what you are saying, I don't want it to come across the way you feel it is. If it does then apologies as stated in a prior post. I was merely looking at ways of getting more new players in, I saw that this is something other sites are doing but this is not and thought it was a good idea to put it out there. Again apologies for you taking it the wrong way but I am assuming you enjoy a good argument online hence your previous posts.
Also this is not an equal rights topic.