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Smitty's Quiz

Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
edited August 2013 in Poker Chat
So sigh that thread got closed (though I can see why) when the real reason for it was the quiz.

So here's a thread to discuss the quiz questions/post answers only
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  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    I was literally JUST typing the thread title in to create version 2!
    ty Lamby, let's keep it on topic guys! <3

    Winner to be announced in next weeks Vlog. It'll be given a S/O on my Twitter handle @CarlosSmitalos

    Answers can be submitted in this thread, via PM, via a Direct MSG on Twitter, a Tweet, Email, or YouTube MSG/comment on the 7 videos released this week (Mon-Sun). Deadline is Sunday 4th Aug 23:59pm. Anyone found submitting more than one entry will only have their latest entry count.
    The participants that answer all 5 questions correctly will have their names put into a hat, and drawn randomly for the winner.

    The winner will recieve $25 OR a 30minute Skype StratChat on the topic of their choosing.

    Good luck to everyone!

    -- Question 1 --

    What are the 3 boards in PLO, in which 9333 can make the nuts?


    -- Question 2 --

    Player A sits down at a 50p/£1 HU Cash Table, no antes, no rake. Player B is already sat w/100bb, and knows game-theory-optimal strategy. Player A will recieve the button on the first hand.
    Given that Player A is allowed to sit down with any amount...

    What is the most he can sit down with, and be forced to shove any 2, under game-theory-optimal strategy?


    -- Question 3 --

    You're sat in a Live MTT, in the big blind. It folds around to the small blind who's a regular at the casino, and primarily plays Live. He looks down at his cards, and announces he's got an Ace, and a '1-spotter'. He shoves All-In, for 10 big blinds. You have him covered.

    You look down at A8o. Assuming that he isn't lying, what's range, and should you call?


    -- Question 4 --

    6max PLHE, no antes. ESS ~ 150bb.

    Seat 1 - Folds.
    Seat 2 - Opens for the max.
    Seat 3 - Calls.
    Seat 4 - 3bets to a '3/4 Pot Size Raise'
    Seat 5 - Cold-4bets to a '1/2 Pot Size Raise
    Seat 6 - Folds.

    The action is back on Seat 2, and he decides to make a Pot-Sized Raise, effectively putting himself all-in.

    In 'number of big blinds', how big is his 5bet?


    -- Question 5 --

    What is the technically correct term, for Seat 4 at a 9-handed table?
    E.g. S9 - Big Blind.
    S8 - Small Blind
    S7 - Button
    S6 - Cut-Off
    S5 - Hijack
    S4 - ???
    S3 -
    S2 -
    S1 - (Commonly known as) Under The Gun

    Is it...
    A) UTG+3 (Under The Gun+3)
    B) MP (Middle Position)
    C) HJ-1 (Hijack-1)


    GL everyone!
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited July 2013
    still think q2 is a bit odd, guess it's just taken from a toy game -_-
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited July 2013
    im not writing answers again, except Q1 all other answers i gave were guesses anyway.
    i was enjoying reading the other thread.
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    still think q2 is a bit odd, guess it's just taken from a toy game -_-
    Posted by rancid
    Basically, if both players are playing Game-Theory-Optimal strategy, what's the biggest stack the button can have before he's forced to shove any 2. Take the shortest stack he can have in front of him and STILL fold the button under GTO, and take 1 away.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz : Basically, if both players are playing Game-Theory-Optimal strategy, what's the biggest stack the button can have before he's forced to shove any 2. Take the shortest stack he can have in front of him and STILL fold the button under GTO, and take 1 away.
    Posted by Smitalos

    So it's the nash equilibrium your after......or...

    what is the biggest stack <100bb can btn shove and still be +ev

    wowza good luck with that, like wtf are the calling ranges with all stack sizes

    surely you need to give calling ranges otherwise peoples answers will vary based on estmated calling range per stack size

    cmon smit where did you get this question from

  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2013
    smit the correct ans to Q5 isnt in the options (technically)
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz : So it's the nash equilibrium your after......or... what is the biggest stack <100bb can btn shove and still be +ev wowza good luck with that, like wtf are the calling ranges with all stack sizes surely you need to give calling ranges otherwise peoples answers will vary based on estmated calling range per stack size cmon smit where did you get this question from
    Posted by rancid
    People tend to dislike that which they do not understand.

    Keep reading the Q, and I'll try and find a simpler way of explaining it later. I think you're outlevelling yourself into thinking it's harder than it is. What's the biggest stack the button can have, where they HAVE to shove ATC. S'that simple.

    I've already had correct answers for Q2 from some people, so it can't be that tough bro ;)
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    smit the correct ans to Q5 isnt in the options (technically)
    Posted by LnarinOO
    One of the three is deemed to be a more accurate description of Seat 4 than the other 2.
    I'd just about accept an answer (if the other 4 questions were answered correctly) that is less well-known, but still technically correct.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz : People tend to dislike that which they do not understand. Keep reading the Q, and I'll try and find a simpler way of explaining it later. I think you're outlevelling yourself into thinking it's harder than it is. What's the smallest stack the button can have, where they HAVE to shove ATC. S'that simple. I've already had correct answers for Q2 from some people, so it can't be that tough bro ;)
    Posted by Smitalos
    Well this is what I am saying, your after the nash equilibrium answer in a HU spot where both players have GTO push/calling ranges. So essentially shoving an unexpoitable range and if oppo devaites then you do win.

    No bruv it's not that hard if you look at the chart :) Think the question espcially when talking about GTO can be a bit mis leading if you convert it to cash where I start thinking about ev yo! It also makes me think the question is more like a toy GTO rarther than a very straight forward nash question.

    Nash is not optimal bro !

    but anyway fun as normal smit )





  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz : Well this is what I am saying, your after the nash equilibrium answer in a HU spot where both players have GTO push/calling ranges. So essentially shoving an unexpoitable range and if oppo devaites then you do win. No bruv it's not that hard if you look at the chart :) Think the question espcially when talking about GTO can be a bit mis leading if you convert it to cash where I start thinking about ev yo! It also makes me think the question is more like a toy GTO rarther than a very straight forward nash question. Nash is not optimal bro ! but anyway fun as normal smit )
    Posted by rancid
    Given a 50p/£1 HU cash game.
    With £10, it's obvious that it's -EV to shove any 2.
    With £1.01, it's obvious that now it's +EV to shove any 2.

    I'm looking for the biggest amount between the two, whereby it's still correct for you to shove any 2, and never fold your button.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    Nowt to do with poker but ya thoughts on who would win this race   mo farah is havig a race against usain bolt over 600 metres for charity who would win and why  thoughts ? 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Donk,
    this is smitty's quiz thread
    don't derail it please

    ps liked your argument comment in the last thread - anyone for popcorn
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    Nowt to do with poker but ya thoughts on who would win this race   mo farah is havig a race against usain bolt over 600 metres for charity who would win and why  thoughts ? 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Love the question, but I think it deserves it's own thread matey. Just googled it now, should be quite the event!

    Seeing as Bolt has ran 400m before, (and still put up impressive times) I'd take Bolt in a straight up time trial over 600m all day. Make it an 800m, and I think it get's really close. Probably give Mo the edge.

    The problem for Bolt would basically lie in his physiology. We all have something called, Annodine-Triphosphate stores (ATP for short). In Lehmanns terms, it's like the NOS of the human body, and means we can do short, strenuous tasks without using the energy stores in our muscles. Your ATP can be honed and increased, but for you and me it's around 6-8seconds of high volume activity.
    Anything 100m+, and Bolt's gunna start building up lactic acid in his legs, and seeing as it's not the main fuel source he runs on, anything beyond 60seconds of high-level competition is gunna be tough for the guy.

    Over 600m, I'd still take Bolt, not by much. And I think if it were just for charity, I'd give even more of a nod to Mo, for his state of mind.

    Love debating this sorta sh it though, haha.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz : Given a 50p/£1 HU cash game. With £10, it's obvious that it's -EV to shove any 2. With £1.01, it's obvious that now it's +EV to shove any 2. I'm looking for the biggest amount between the two, whereby it's still correct for you to shove any 2, and never fold your button.
    Posted by Smitalos
    bro, if both players are playing GTO push/call where neither devaites and they both know each others unexpolitable (GTO) strat then it's never going to be +ev when oppo is calling GTO - if neither deviates then they both 0ev and probably infact -ev if you include rake.

    but anyway it's just a toy game like i said, where you have btn always pushing with x range
    Has no real world application so I think you should null n void it )


    think GTO pushing against non GTO would be more apt :)

    hu sng's yo! so solved right......

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2013
    The way I read it, it's a simple case of.... assuming our opponent knows good short stack strat, how short does the effective stack have to be to make open shoving ATC +EV

    But yeah, I'd assume it's a HU SnG and not cash where these kinda decisions are different.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    The way I read it, it's a simple case of.... assuming our opponent knows good short stack strat, how short does the effective stack have to be to make open shoving ATC +EV But yeah, I'd assume it's a HU SnG and not cash where these kinda decisions are different.
    Posted by Lambert180
    why?

    what's different about cash?
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited July 2013
    Smit sorry to derail ya thread with all my rambles - i sent you a pm
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2013

    Smit, hope it's ok to discuss your video on here (the poker content rather than anything that could be deemed unsavoury)

    Interested in the play with AK on the button around 10/11 minutes, we 3b and offshoot cold 4s from the bb really small, is he not going to polarizzzzed here iyo? you could be isolating the weaker guy at the table in position, so he's going to be light here a load, or very strong?

    Would it not be better just to click it? Do you really expect him to flat, ever? AA maybe....

    You said u wanna avoid a tricky spot post flop, but u have the lead and position.

    Also 'get myself out of trouble'.

    You're not in trouble! :D

    edit* ignore all that, just re-watched the hand and you say 'in hindsight, I should click this back' ! haha. ok

    ---------

    re the proposed HU, 2knl is way too high for that, and it'll probably never happen. Cynics might say that's why you asked to play too high. 

    Maybe you can play a couple of 50/1 or 1/2 tables, that way you're well within your roll and wont have to quit if it starts bad. Money is still significant too. 

    It will get a huge rail, so James can out u as a hit n runnerererer if that's what happens.

    Surprised he didn't suggest this to try and call your bluff ;)

    Wud be fun :D

    --------

    Either way loving that you're back vlogging, never a dull moment in your vids.

    Hope to see more soooooon.

    gl

  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013
    grudge matches are -EV because emotions have come into it

    I do like smitalos videos from an entertainment point of view but there not that great for learning.
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    grudge matches are -EV because emotions have come into it I do like smitalos videos from an entertainment point of view but there not that great for learning.
    Posted by NColley
     They're not meant to be!

    I try to preface every video with the fact that I prioritise entertainment over education in my vids.

    On a site with a really small player base, it's really hard to go in-depth RE: strategy.
    I'd essentially be paying money, to edcuate people, which... sucks :P
    S'why I relish Mixed-Game or MTT vids. I can just let loose and put my brain on a plate for y'all.

    Grudge matches: Would be a great way to keeping get action though, no? *hint hint*
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 543
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: Smitty's Quiz:
    Smit, hope it's ok to discuss your video on here (the poker content rather than anything that could be deemed unsavoury) Interested in the play with AK on the button around 10/11 minutes, we 3b and offshoot cold 4s from the bb really small, is he not going to polarizzzzed here iyo? you could be isolating the weaker guy at the table in position, so he's going to be light here a load, or very strong? Would it not be better just to click it? Do you really expect him to flat, ever? AA maybe.... You said u wanna avoid a tricky spot post flop, but u have the lead and position. Also 'get myself out of trouble'. You're not in trouble! :D edit* ignore all that, just re-watched the hand and you say 'in hindsight, I should click this back' ! haha. ok --------- re the proposed HU, 2knl is way too high for that, and it'll probably never happen. Cynics might say that's why you asked to play too high.  Maybe you can play a couple of 50/1 or 1/2 tables, that way you're well within your roll and wont have to quit if it starts bad. Money is still significant too.  It will get a huge rail, so James can out u as a hit n runnerererer if that's what happens. Surprised he didn't suggest this to try and call your bluff ;) Wud be fun :D -------- Either way loving that you're back vlogging, never a dull moment in your vids. Hope to see more soooooon. gl
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    No probs man, I'll try and keep it as concise but accurate as I can.

    Should he be mega-polarized here? For sure. He should be 4bet-fistpump-getting it in, or 4bet-folding (unless he's sick enough to 4b-6b bluff here, which he'll almost never do. Like <1%.
    But, it's offshoot. The fact that he tanked after I 5bet jammed, proved (to me anyway) that either he didn't have a plan for the hand (and thus, wasn't pol.) or he was just hollywooding a broof. You could also argue that he might've been multi-tabling, and just timing down, but from what I know, these are the biggest stakes he's ever played. Hard to see him mass-tabling in spots like this.
    Seeing as I don't think he've ever going to 6bet bluff me, and also not get it in with worse, I opted for the 5b jam. We also get hands that he's just derping with that have great equity, to fold. (88-TT)
    And of course, we could balance this in many ways (by taking the same line with weak bluffs (AXs, small PPs, etc), or/and just jamming our entire value range, as a 5bet as well.

    Note, I can't go that much more in-depth really, despite there being more to talk about. Many regs here play an extremely exploitable style, where ranges are uber-unbalanced, where they don't adjust.
    Evidence for such a claim? The lack of HUDs, stats, limited/poor note-taking facility, a style that's been working for them for years, and varying degrees of experience playing competent competition.
    Just as a rough example, I was cutting my teeth in Sep-Dec 2011, 8-tabling 200nl on Stars without a HUD. iirc my VPIP was somewhere in the mid-30's, and my w/r was 3bb-4bb/100.
    I doubt people on Sky have much of a foundation playing much better opposition, to base their own ability on.

    Anywho, RE: HU vs James, I think it's highly unlikely he'll ever play me man. Long time bumhunter, and has always (iirc) refused action vs me. I'm not just some 1-trick 'NLHE' pony, and would relish the chance to play him in game, at any stakes.

    EDIT: Deleted a bunch of stuff due to too much rambling+waffle


    Long story short, people should take a much more skeptical view of pros+regs imo. Heck, of me too!

    And, what a surprise. I can't do short posts to save my fffff-in life. Hope that answered a few questions anyway Doh, and feel free to hit me up if you (or anyone else!) has any more. ty
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