Ur willing to take a race pre here? Thats krazy? I think it is, Ive raised 3 quid, ur willing to tank for ur stack, or re raise, and call for the rest if/when I move?? so much in my favour! If im winning I know Im winning and I snap. If Im losing, its pretty obvious too, so I fold, n lose 3 quid. Surely shoving pre here isnt an option, ur ahead of my range sure I hate the word range, but ur making it easy for me. DOHH Posted by DOHHHHHHH
This may seem counter-intuitive to the "get your money in first" brigade but I'm 3-betting to £11 and then calling an all-in from you if you make that move. I'm confident that it is +EV. If you flat me pre-flop (which I suspect is extremely unlikely) then I'm shoving on any agreeable flop (apart from a flop where I hit top set!). The reason that I 3-bet raise rather than shove is that you obviously won't call an aipf with a hand that I crush but you may well 4-bet all-in with a hand like that. If you have one of the 3 hands that's beating me that's unlucky on my part but I suspect that your 4-bet shove range is much wider than that. I'm not a big fan of having to get your money in first in a lot of situations - I'm more of a fan of getting your money in ahead. In this situation, I'm willing to forgo the benefit of fold equity for a chance at getting an all-in where I may even be 80% favourite.
Okay, its a gud argument. Although Im not a great believer in, alot of the technical terms u use,....I think I understand.
I love people to move on me here pre flop! easy money or easy fold! - Only difficult decision I have is if im holding AK suite. snap with QQ KK OR AA. Fold the rest for a net loss of 3 quid.
I make exactly the same raise to £11 if I have AA/KK/QQ/AK at least - I might even do it with 74o. :-) "You pays your money and you takes your choice."
Sorry, I didn't realise that I was using technical terms; I thought that I was replying using terminology that you used yourself - apologies.
If you want to discuss this further, PM me - I think we may have exhausted the patience of the rest of the forum.
Hi Dohh So you want t talk about poker now then? That earlier discussion must've got to you more than I thought! lol
Anyway, the hand you've shown doesn't (imo) appear to have been played badly by either of you. He flat called your raise pre flop to disguise his hand, probably already putting you on an ace. He put in a small bet after hitting his set, expecting you to re-raise and checked the turn in the hope that you'd do exactly what you did! You got lucky on the river but you were never fishing! There maybe a case for him to re-raise pre but with the dodgy Jacks he probably wasn't too confident! I think I would've played it in a very similar fashion on both sides of the table!
Now where were we on the subject of abuse...............................!
its an open forum dohhhhhhh and within reason if no one annoyed no one and we all agreed with each other it wouldnt be much fun now would it? and with playing hands the way you played that one im in no hurry to play you on a cash table.lol dav Posted by dav1964
*grunch* (for confusion, a grunch means ive read the OP and that's all)
You've done nothing "fishy" in this hand, as you are the aggressor. Had you been the caller, I'd be gutting you and serving you for dinner
As played, I'm tempted to check behind the turn as Villain has told us that he has got something with his, to me, suspicious flat call on the flop. (Any oppo who plays a hand like this when I have no history available always sets my alarm bells off) That way then, if I hit, I'll probably get paid off as our hand is well disguised and a check behind will quite often cause Villain to bet any river and if we've hit (any non-club A, Q or K) then more often than not we're ahead and getting good odds to call or even raise if we hit the K, but if I miss, I can get away from it rather cheaply as Villain is highly unlikely to bet missed draws here and A high might even be good if he has a missed combo draw (something like A2cc or Axcc). Apart from that, you've played it fine.
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I'm not a big fan of having to get your money in first in a lot of situations - I'm more of a fan of getting your money in ahead. In this situation, I'm willing to forgo the benefit of fold equity for a chance at getting an all-in where I may even be 80% favourite.
Okay, its a gud argument. Although Im not a great believer in, alot of the technical terms u use,....I think I understand.
I love people to move on me here pre flop! easy money or easy fold! - Only difficult decision I have is if im holding AK suite. snap with QQ KK OR AA. Fold the rest for a net loss of 3 quid.
"You pays your money and you takes your choice."
Sorry, I didn't realise that I was using technical terms; I thought that I was replying using terminology that you used yourself - apologies.
If you want to discuss this further, PM me - I think we may have exhausted the patience of the rest of the forum.
So you want t talk about poker now then? That earlier discussion must've got to you more than I thought! lol
Anyway, the hand you've shown doesn't (imo) appear to have been played badly by either of you. He flat called your raise pre flop to disguise his hand, probably already putting you on an ace. He put in a small bet after hitting his set, expecting you to re-raise and checked the turn in the hope that you'd do exactly what you did! You got lucky on the river but you were never fishing! There maybe a case for him to re-raise pre but with the dodgy Jacks he probably wasn't too confident!
I think I would've played it in a very similar fashion on both sides of the table!
Now where were we on the subject of abuse...............................!
NO don't say it! lol
You've done nothing "fishy" in this hand, as you are the aggressor. Had you been the caller, I'd be gutting you and serving you for dinner
As played, I'm tempted to check behind the turn as Villain has told us that he has got something with his, to me, suspicious flat call on the flop. (Any oppo who plays a hand like this when I have no history available always sets my alarm bells off) That way then, if I hit, I'll probably get paid off as our hand is well disguised and a check behind will quite often cause Villain to bet any river and if we've hit (any non-club A, Q or K) then more often than not we're ahead and getting good odds to call or even raise if we hit the K, but if I miss, I can get away from it rather cheaply as Villain is highly unlikely to bet missed draws here and A high might even be good if he has a missed combo draw (something like A2cc or Axcc). Apart from that, you've played it fine.