Without getting into a slagging match, i would like to ask a perfectly sensible question. In the terms it says that - the top 10 players from each section will be determined as those with the highest total profit. Does this mean that if i entered 10 £2.20 deepstacks and all seven 8:15 pm £5.50 deepies and i won all 17 in the week (very impressive it would be too), i would still not qualify in the top 10 in the mtt section as my total profit still would not reach the totals of the 8pm opens / primo r/ups and winners. If this is the case, not everyone has a chance as stated. Another point, at the start, it was implied that the mentors would be 'scouring' the site looking for exceptional play etc etc, and they could be watching at any time whilst you were playing, and that anyone who showed good promise may be 'plucked' from obscurity to represent sky, now it seems that this is not the case, the only players that will concern the mentors are the 50 on the list given to them, and they aren't going out there plucking people out. My last point is, good luck to all that are picked, i hope they do well, i just dont like the way that anyone such as irishrover that questions the impartiality of the selection process is vilified and made to look like a sore sad soured individual, just for daring to speak up against the great mighty analysts in the sky. Posted by loonytoons
I'm afraid I can't quite grasp where Bennydip - who happens to be a good friend of mine - is coming from in his Post above, which is full of innuendo & suspicion. The Rules on how the Total Player Winner will be selected have not been changed, ever, & they seem to me to be crystal clear. The Terms & Conditions have also not been changed, & are prominently displayed on the Total Player Home Page (which is linked to from the Home Page). This is what the T C's say as to voting for the winner. "....18. The winner will be selected following an online vote where each Sky Poker player will be eligible to cast one vote....." Personally, that seems pretty clear & transparent to me, & I'm reading it at face value. I wish everyone success in Total Player, but common-sense dictates that those who wish to partake read the Terms & Conditions first - that is the PLAYERS responsibility. I hope you enjoin with me in wishing sucess to the 6 picks to date, & all the remaining picks. Posted by Tikay10
Anyone who believes the winner is gonna be chosen by the sky poker community is again very naive.
Sky have got their marketing for this competition spot on! - And whoever came up with this idea deserves a pay rise!
No.1 - The comp is advertised to everyone, "got to be in it to win it" etc - so Im sure that the number of players playing on the site at any 1 time will have gone up significantly over the last few weeks. - Benefitting sky, and everyone on it also.
No.2 - When this comes to a 'forum, community vote' How many new names and faces are gonna turn up on this site? Look at the prize on offer, it MUST be worth at lest 15k! - Every single player on the short list will be getting their Mum Dad, auntie uncle, mates, mates mates, gardner, barber and financial advisor to create a SKY poker account, and vote for them!
Its a huge prize, and altho the regular sky poker users will have 1 vote, so will anyone else in the world who wants to have a vote, Just create an account, and their 1 vote counts as much as anyone whos been on sky poker since it began.
Again, its likely alot of the people who make account will also use the site to actually play cards, thus bringing more business to sky.
Its very cleverly done, and it's so obvious that the comp has been marketed in this way from day one.
Don't take this as a moan btw, I think its a brilliant competition and am glad it's happened, but take ya blinkers off fellaz, put the bits of the jigsaw together - the answers to the low stakes/high stakes argument is staring ya in the face.
WOW! I'm still very excited from getting selected last night. The response and well wishes have been phenomenal to me - both on forum and at the tables.........thank you all!!!!
To address a point made earlier in this thread, I would NOT consider myself a 'high stakes' player and the highest I have played in any discipline of cash, sng or mtt is £100.
The standard last night (within the second half of the show especially) was extremely high and I am overwhelmed that David sees something in me that he can work with and improve.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : hi m8 , i like reading the t&c, because when i first had concerns for the the smaller stake players, wasting their money in this competition , i was told by sky reps , the t&c are there for all to read , and you know what you are getting yourselves into, so yes i took their advice and read them. but it now seems unclear what players have got them selves in to . Posted by IRISHROVER
I don't understand, how exactly are these players "wasting their money"? Its a FREE to enter competiton with people playing the games they normally do with Sky/Mentors then picking the best players each week.
Without getting into a slagging match, i would like to ask a perfectly sensible question. In the terms it says that - the top 10 players from each section will be determined as those with the highest total profit. Does this mean that if i entered 10 £2.20 deepstacks and all seven 8:15 pm £5.50 deepies and i won all 17 in the week (very impressive it would be too), i would still not qualify in the top 10 in the mtt section as my total profit still would not reach the totals of the 8pm opens / primo r/ups and winners. If this is the case, not everyone has a chance as stated. Another point, at the start, it was implied that the mentors would be 'scouring' the site looking for exceptional play etc etc, and they could be watching at any time whilst you were playing, and that anyone who showed good promise may be 'plucked' from obscurity to represent sky, now it seems that this is not the case, the only players that will concern the mentors are the 50 on the list given to them, and they aren't going out there plucking people out. My last point is, good luck to all that are picked, i hope they do well, i just dont like the way that anyone such as irishrover that questions the impartiality of the selection process is vilified and made to look like a sore sad soured individual, just for daring to speak up against the great mighty analysts in the sky. Posted by loonytoons
Yes it does! I posted on this subject a couple of days ago, pointing out that someone coud win 7 low stakes MTTs and make less profit than someone winning an open or primo and not cashing in anything else. That's why I suggested they calculate profit vs stake as a ratio not as a cash value.
Anyone who believes the winner is gonna be chosen by the sky poker community is again very naive. Sky have got their marketing for this competition spot on! - And whoever came up with this idea deserves a pay rise! No.1 - The comp is advertised to everyone, "got to be in it to win it" etc - so Im sure that the number of players playing on the site at any 1 time will have gone up significantly over the last few weeks. - Benefitting sky, and everyone on it also. No.2 - When this comes to a 'forum, community vote' How many new names and faces are gonna turn up on this site? Look at the prize on offer, it MUST be worth at lest 15k! - Every single player on the short list will be getting their Mum Dad, auntie uncle, mates, mates mates, gardner, barber and financial advisor to create a SKY poker account, and vote for them! Its a huge prize, and altho the regular sky poker users will have 1 vote, so will anyone else in the world who wants to have a vote, Just create an account, and their 1 vote counts as much as anyone whos been on sky poker since it began. Again, its likely alot of the people who make account will also use the site to actually play cards, thus bringing more business to sky. Its very cleverly done, and it's so obvious that the comp has been marketed in this way from day one. Don't take this as a moan btw, I think its a brilliant competition and am glad it's happened, but take ya blinkers off fellaz, put the bits of the jigsaw together - the answers to the low stakes/high stakes argument is staring ya in the face. DOHH Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Players with accounts on the site on the day the competition was announced should be able to vote. ANyone joining later should not (and they should not be avaiable to be selected either).
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : I don't understand, how exactly are these players "wasting their money"? Its a FREE to enter competiton with people playing the games they normally do with Sky/Mentors then picking the best players each week. Posted by Kiwini4u
the games they are playing are not free .
the competition is geared towards the highest profitable players,
hence encouraging small stake players to play more games and play higher stakes ,
and trying to impress the mentors.
they are wasting their money because the higher up players get picked .
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Go to my post in the thread called "Total player?????" I don't feel any of the low staked players were good enough this week, and the 3 picks were definaly right. Posted by FlashFlush
Since I'm new to the site, I really had no preconceived notions going into the competition. I've just been watching people play poker and taking notes. I can honestly say I went with the three players who I think put the most time into their game. Each of them are clearly devoted to becoming The Total Player and this is why I selected them. As for what they play, I could really care less. I know some players who play $25-$50 NL and are absolutely awful.
As for age restrictions, I actually asked about this and was told it made no difference. I was free to select anyone that played on Sky Poker. To be honest, I purposely didn't even know anyone's age until after I made my selections.
One piece of advice - if you are asked to send in hands....don't send in no-brainer hands. Don't send in a hand where the decisions were relatively easy. Pick a tough hand - one where you might have even made a mistake, but tell us what you were thinking. If I know what a player was thinking, that might sway me in his direction. I don't have to agree with him or her - it's just important to know that the prospects are "thinking" about the game. The best way to improve your game is talk about it and think about it. I make mistakes all the time and I'm always talking to my friends about a particular play I made or didn't make.
I love my choices, but that doesn't mean I'll stick with them. If I don't think one of them can win, I'll make a switch. I pride myself on telling it like it is.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Since I'm new to the site, I really had no preconceived notions going into the competition. I've just been watching people play poker and taking notes. I can honestly say I went with the three players who I think put the most time into their game. Each of them are clearly devoted to becoming The Total Player and this is why I selected them. As for what they play, I could really care less. I know some players who play $25-$50 NL and are absolutely awful. As for age restrictions, I actually asked about this and was told it made no difference. I was free to select anyone that played on Sky Poker. To be honest, I purposely didn't even know anyone's age until after I made my selections. One piece of advice - if you are asked to send in hands....don't send in no-brainer hands. Don't send in a hand where the decisions were relatively easy. Pick a tough hand - one where you might have even made a mistake, but tell us what you were thinking. If I know what a player was thinking, that might sway me in his direction. I don't have to agree with him or her - it's just important to know that the prospects are "thinking" about the game. The best way to improve your game is talk about it and think about it. I make mistakes all the time and I'm always talking to my friends about a particular play I made or didn't make. I love my choices, but that doesn't mean I'll stick with them. If I don't think one of them can win, I'll make a switch. I pride myself on telling it like it is. Good luck to everyone - see ya at the Tables! Posted by DAVID_T
Love it, David...
To quote a certain Hall of Fame Linebacker turned Head Coach of a mediocre team in the NFC West: "You want WINNERS! You want people who WANT to win!"
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : the games they are playing are not free . the competition is geared towards the highest profitable players, hence encouraging small stake players to play more games and play higher stakes , and trying to impress the mentors. they are wasting their money because the higher up players get picked . Posted by IRISHROVER
I can understand how some of you must feel this is geared toward the "bigger" players, but I can assure that isn't true. I made a list of players that caught my eye and Sky Poker gave me a list of players from every type of game. I got some SNG players, some low-stakes cash game players, some MTT players and one High stakes player. From that list and my list, I had total autonomy.
Some of the players just put more time and thought into their games. Some of the players just wanted it more...or better yet, were willing to work harder for it. Btw, Jakally and Nutter sent in page after page of poker explanations. This impressed me. I had another guy (who will remain nameless) who wrote in "I've got thousands upon thousands of hands, I can't go through them all - this is the best I could do. Hope David understands."
Don't get me wrong, that is fine - not everybody wants to do what it takes to become the Total Player. Most of us are very happy to play recreationally and that is great. But....if you want to be the Total Player, you need to go that extra mile.
I recently had the pleasure to interview Elky and I asked him simply, "what makes you so good?" - His answer was the same as a lot of the great players in the world. He said....I work really, really hard on my game.
Remember we're looking for someone who can sit across from Elky and Ivey and Negreanu and hold their own....not just idolize them.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Love it, David... To quote a certain Hall of Fame Linebacker turned Head Coach of a mediocre team in the NFC West: "You want WINNERS! You want people who WANT to win!" Posted by J-Hartigan
James - EVERYONE wants to win, but how many of us are willing to work harder than everyone else for it?
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Since I'm new to the site, I really had no preconceived notions going into the competition. I've just been watching people play poker and taking notes. I can honestly say I went with the three players who I think put the most time into their game. Each of them are clearly devoted to becoming The Total Player and this is why I selected them. As for what they play, I could really care less. I know some players who play $25-$50 NL and are absolutely awful. As for age restrictions, I actually asked about this and was told it made no difference. I was free to select anyone that played on Sky Poker. To be honest, I purposely didn't even know anyone's age until after I made my selections. One piece of advice - if you are asked to send in hands....don't send in no-brainer hands. Don't send in a hand where the decisions were relatively easy. Pick a tough hand - one where you might have even made a mistake, but tell us what you were thinking. If I know what a player was thinking, that might sway me in his direction. I don't have to agree with him or her - it's just important to know that the prospects are "thinking" about the game. The best way to improve your game is talk about it and think about it. I make mistakes all the time and I'm always talking to my friends about a particular play I made or didn't make. I love my choices, but that doesn't mean I'll stick with them. If I don't think one of them can win, I'll make a switch. I pride myself on telling it like it is. Good luck to everyone - see ya at the Tables! Posted by DAVID_T
Hello David, Firstly, welcome to the site. I thought it was refreshing to see that you didn't always agree with the play of the 10 players put forward for your inspection and consideration.
You are not well known to the site and i believe you are in a better position to assess your charges without ANY preconceived ideas of the players abilities(no disrespect to Ed and Matt). If your looking for a solid player who cant play that many hours and WOULD benefit from your advice, then im your man lololol. I look forward to seeing your groups performance, and remember, in soccer, its the manager who takes the bullet for bad performances hehehe.
WOW! I'm still very excited from getting selected last night. The response and well wishes have been phenomenal to me - both on forum and at the tables.........thank you all!!!! To address a point made earlier in this thread, I would NOT consider myself a 'high stakes' player and the highest I have played in any discipline of cash, sng or mtt is £100. The standard last night (within the second half of the show especially) was extremely high and I am overwhelmed that David sees something in me that he can work with and improve. I look forward to the challenges which lie ahead Posted by phil12uk
Im totally with you on this Phil,the three players selected last night all best showed their poker brains.I also do certainly not consider myself a high stakes player. If anyone looks at my stats the majority of games played are STT and MTTs with an entry fee of £10 or less. I need to carefully build my bankroll a lot further before I would consider sitting in on a cash table with £500. Im hoping that my experience in these MTTs will stand me in good stead against some of the higher stakes players and I too look forward to it.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Love it, David... To quote a certain Hall of Fame Linebacker turned Head Coach of a mediocre team in the NFC West: "You want WINNERS! You want people who WANT to win!" Posted by J-Hartigan
did he say anything about ,
how old the winner must be ,
only kidding james,
you may not believe this but i voted you no.1 poker analyst,
and still would if i had the choice again,
but plzzz tell your boss to clear up the mistake in the age rule .
I think the post has been overlooked, maybe intentionally, but whoever says its guna be a community/forum vote is talking kak. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Hi Dohhhhh, I think you'll find it was Tikay and Rich Orford on the original show, so be ready for some backlash for that statement as the community doesn't like people questioning Tony's honesty.
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and once again not given a clear answer .
Anyone who believes the winner is gonna be chosen by the sky poker community is again very naive.
Sky have got their marketing for this competition spot on! - And whoever came up with this idea deserves a pay rise!
No.1 - The comp is advertised to everyone, "got to be in it to win it" etc - so Im sure that the number of players playing on the site at any 1 time will have gone up significantly over the last few weeks. - Benefitting sky, and everyone on it also.
No.2 - When this comes to a 'forum, community vote' How many new names and faces are gonna turn up on this site? Look at the prize on offer, it MUST be worth at lest 15k! - Every single player on the short list will be getting their Mum Dad, auntie uncle, mates, mates mates, gardner, barber and financial advisor to create a SKY poker account, and vote for them!
Its a huge prize, and altho the regular sky poker users will have 1 vote, so will anyone else in the world who wants to have a vote, Just create an account, and their 1 vote counts as much as anyone whos been on sky poker since it began.
Again, its likely alot of the people who make account will also use the site to actually play cards, thus bringing more business to sky.
Its very cleverly done, and it's so obvious that the comp has been marketed in this way from day one.
Don't take this as a moan btw, I think its a brilliant competition and am glad it's happened, but take ya blinkers off fellaz, put the bits of the jigsaw together - the answers to the low stakes/high stakes argument is staring ya in the face.
DOHH
Is that in the T & C ??
(thats a genuine comment btw, cba to read em)
the competition is geared towards the highest profitable players,
hence encouraging small stake players to play more games and play higher stakes ,
and trying to impress the mentors.
they are wasting their money because the higher up players get picked .
As for age restrictions, I actually asked about this and was told it made no difference. I was free to select anyone that played on Sky Poker. To be honest, I purposely didn't even know anyone's age until after I made my selections.
One piece of advice - if you are asked to send in hands....don't send in no-brainer hands. Don't send in a hand where the decisions were relatively easy. Pick a tough hand - one where you might have even made a mistake, but tell us what you were thinking. If I know what a player was thinking, that might sway me in his direction. I don't have to agree with him or her - it's just important to know that the prospects are "thinking" about the game. The best way to improve your game is talk about it and think about it. I make mistakes all the time and I'm always talking to my friends about a particular play I made or didn't make.
I love my choices, but that doesn't mean I'll stick with them. If I don't think one of them can win, I'll make a switch. I pride myself on telling it like it is.
Good luck to everyone - see ya at the Tables!
To quote a certain Hall of Fame Linebacker turned Head Coach of a mediocre team in the NFC West: "You want WINNERS! You want people who WANT to win!"
Some of the players just put more time and thought into their games. Some of the players just wanted it more...or better yet, were willing to work harder for it. Btw, Jakally and Nutter sent in page after page of poker explanations. This impressed me. I had another guy (who will remain nameless) who wrote in "I've got thousands upon thousands of hands, I can't go through them all - this is the best I could do. Hope David understands."
Don't get me wrong, that is fine - not everybody wants to do what it takes to become the Total Player. Most of us are very happy to play recreationally and that is great. But....if you want to be the Total Player, you need to go that extra mile.
I recently had the pleasure to interview Elky and I asked him simply, "what makes you so good?" - His answer was the same as a lot of the great players in the world. He said....I work really, really hard on my game.
Remember we're looking for someone who can sit across from Elky and Ivey and Negreanu and hold their own....not just idolize them.
Firstly, welcome to the site.
I thought it was refreshing to see that you didn't always agree with the play of the 10 players put forward for your inspection and consideration.
You are not well known to the site and i believe you are in a better position to assess your charges without ANY preconceived ideas of the players abilities(no disrespect to Ed and Matt).
If your looking for a solid player who cant play that many hours and WOULD benefit from your advice, then im your man lololol.
I look forward to seeing your groups performance, and remember, in soccer, its the manager who takes the bullet for bad performances hehehe.
Regards
col
how old the winner must be ,
only kidding james,
you may not believe this but i voted you no.1 poker analyst,
and still would if i had the choice again,
but plzzz tell your boss to clear up the mistake in the age rule .
I think the post has been overlooked, maybe intentionally, but whoever says its guna be a community/forum vote is talking kak.
I think you'll find it was Tikay and Rich Orford on the original show, so be ready for some backlash for that statement as the community doesn't like people questioning Tony's honesty.
col
He isnt lying, n maybe TK is such a genuine fella that he doesnt realise what is blatantly obvious and staring everyone in the face,
Not every1 is as straight down the line as TK is, in fact, hardly anyone is!