In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : did he say anything about , how old the winner must be , only kidding james, you may not believe this but i voted you no.1 poker analyst, and still would if i had the choice again, but plzzz tell your boss to clear up the mistake in the age rule . Posted by IRISHROVER
Rover, I'm flattered :-)
But I thought we'd cleared up the age issue? Clause 20?
"Sky Poker retains the right to substitute the prize with another prize of similar value in the event the original prize offered is not available due to circumstances beyond its reasonable control."
It's certainly beyond Sky Poker's reasonable control if the Nevada Gaming Commission isn't prepared to lower the state's legal gaming age to allow the winner of Total Player to enter the World Series of Poker main event!
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Rover, I'm flattered :-) But I thought we'd cleared up the age issue? Clause 20? " Sky Poker retains the right to substitute the prize with another prize of similar value in the event the original prize offered is not available due to circumstances beyond its reasonable control. " It's certainly beyond Sky Poker's reasonable control if the Nevada Gaming Commission isn't prepared to lower the state's legal gaming age to allow the winner of Total Player to enter the World Series of Poker main event! Posted by J-Hartigan
Hi James,
I think your walking a bit of a tightrope with that statment.If the NGC had an 18yo rule, then changed it to 21 yo, that is out of skys control, but those are the existing rules before this competition started. That was not the case for the last 2 WSOP qualifiers on this site. If the site makes a big song and dance about the BIG prize, being a comp were you KNOW you have to be 21 or over to play in(by law), then imo, it should be restricted.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Hi James, I think your walking a bit of a tightrope with that statment. That was not the case for the last 2 WSOP qualifiers on this site. If the site makes a big song and dance about the BIG prize, being a comp were you KNOW you have to be 21 or over to play in(by law), then imo, it should be restricted. regards col Posted by mr_mbro
lol - I thought the sarcasm was reasonably explicit :-)
By the way, Total Player is NOT a World Series of Poker qualifier, Col. The trip to Vegas is only PART of the prize package.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Rover, I'm flattered :-) But I thought we'd cleared up the age issue? Clause 20? " Sky Poker retains the right to substitute the prize with another prize of similar value in the event the original prize offered is not available due to circumstances beyond its reasonable control. " It's certainly beyond Sky Poker's reasonable control if the Nevada Gaming Commission isn't prepared to lower the state's legal gaming age to allow the winner of Total Player to enter the World Series of Poker main event! Posted by J-Hartigan
but james my friend ,
before total player competition was set up.
the nevada gaming commission have this rule in place a very very long time.
was it just a clear case that it was overlooked this year.
a simple error that your gov needs to sort,
does not seem fair on 18, 19 and 20 year old players on skypoker.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : but james my friend , before total player competition was set up. the nevada gaming commission have this rule in place a very very long time. was it just a clear case that it was overlooked this year. a simple error that your gov needs to sort, does not seem fair on 18, 19 and 20 year old players on skypoker. Posted by IRISHROVER
Whats your problem rover, sky will sort it, they will only select players over 21 for the final vote off. If they dissagree with this, what odds will they give me and i will have a bet on sky bet against it lol.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : but james my friend , before total player competition was set up. the nevada gaming commission have this rule in place a very very long time. was it just a clear case that it was overlooked this year. a simple error that your gov needs to sort, does not seem fair on 18, 19 and 20 year old players on skypoker. Posted by IRISHROVER
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago...
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : lol - I thought the sarcasm was reasonably explicit :-) By the way, Total Player is NOT a World Series of Poker qualifier, Col. The trip to Vegas is only PART of the prize package. Posted by J-Hartigan
Hi James, No it wasnt lost on me, but we all have to be careful as ive seen other threads get out of control by trying to be sarcastic with comments. I was not saying that Total Player is a WSOP qualifier and i have added to the earlier post. Yes, the trip to Vegas is only PART of the prize, but it is also the PINICALE of the prize.
Please dont think im against this but i will discuss/argue some points. This point wont affect me at all as im over 21, by a fair bit, but if i was uder 21 i would like clarification as to what would be available to me then, instead of the WSOP.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Whats your problem rover, sky will sort it, they will only select players over 21 for the final vote off. If they dissagree with this, what odds will they give me and i will have a bet on sky bet against it lol. Posted by loonytoons
And therein lies the problem. If that is the case then all the promotion that everyone can have a shot at this would then be wrong, and could lead to Sky being in hot water legally.
col PS can i make a point. I am playing devils advocate in these posts.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : Hi James, No it wasnt lost on me, but we all have to be careful as ive seen other threads get out of control by trying to be sarcastic with comments. I was not saying that Total Player is a WSOP qualifier and i have added to the earlier post. Yes, the trip to Vegas is only PART of the prize, but it is also the PINICALE of the prize. Please dont think im against this but i will discuss/argue some points. This point wont affect me at all as im over 21, by a fair bit, but if i was uder 21 i would like clarification as to what would be available to me then, instead of the WSOP. col Posted by mr_mbro
That's a fair point, Col - which I'm sure will be addressed in due course.
First of all I would like to congratulate the 3 guys who got picked this week. Phil , Ben and Jakally. 3 solid players who are always very consistent.
Phil maybe Dave can teach you how to play q 10 hearts!!
Secondly, I can not beleive the amount of time people are willing to waste worrying about the t&c's and qouting them and whinging about every little technical point. Surely this time would be better spent trying to improve their own game and maybe putting them in with a chance of being picked. I don't normally make comment on these type of threads, but feel that are far too many moans and groans and not enough positive contributions to what is a great concept. As has been said before, nobody is required to be a part of it.
First of all I would like to congratulate the 3 guys who got picked this week. Phil , Ben and Jakally. 3 solid players who are always very consistent. Phil maybe Dave can teach you how to play q 10 hearts!! Secondly, I can not beleive the amount of time people are willing to waste worrying about the t&c's and qouting them and whinging about every little technical point. Surely this time would be better spent trying to improve their own game and maybe putting them in with a chance of being picked. I don't normally make comment on these type of threads, but feel that are far too many moans and groans and not enough positive contributions to what is a great concept. As has been said before, nobody is required to be a part of it. Good luck again all that have been picked! Posted by BIGSHANN
You may not post very often but when you do then you make a lot of sense
First of all I would like to congratulate the 3 guys who got picked this week. Phil , Ben and Jakally. 3 solid players who are always very consistent. Phil maybe Dave can teach you how to play q 10 hearts!! Secondly, I can not beleive the amount of time people are willing to waste worrying about the t&c's and qouting them and whinging about every little technical point. Surely this time would be better spent trying to improve their own game and maybe putting them in with a chance of being picked. I don't normally make comment on these type of threads, but feel that are far too many moans and groans and not enough positive contributions to what is a great concept. As has been said before, nobody is required to be a part of it. Good luck again all that have been picked! Posted by BIGSHANN
so when someone wants to clarify points about the TP (that was encouraged) they are moaners and groaners and whingers eh? Just because it goes against the official sky poker line, doesnt make them wrong, and it doesnt mean they should be slapped down all the time.
First of all I would like to congratulate the 3 guys who got picked this week. Phil , Ben and Jakally. 3 solid players who are always very consistent. Phil maybe Dave can teach you how to play q 10 hearts!! Secondly, I can not beleive the amount of time people are willing to waste worrying about the t&c's and qouting them and whinging about every little technical point. Surely this time would be better spent trying to improve their own game and maybe putting them in with a chance of being picked. I don't normally make comment on these type of threads, but feel that are far too many moans and groans and not enough positive contributions to what is a great concept. As has been said before, nobody is required to be a part of it. Good luck again all that have been picked! Posted by BIGSHANN
Good post bigman... I mean Bigshann ... Doubt it will get listened to though, LOL
First of all I would like to congratulate the 3 guys who got picked this week. Phil , Ben and Jakally. 3 solid players who are always very consistent. Phil maybe Dave can teach you how to play q 10 hearts!! Secondly, I can not beleive the amount of time people are willing to waste worrying about the t&c's and qouting them and whinging about every little technical point. Surely this time would be better spent trying to improve their own game and maybe putting them in with a chance of being picked. I don't normally make comment on these type of threads, but feel that are far too many moans and groans and not enough positive contributions to what is a great concept. As has been said before, nobody is required to be a part of it. Good luck again all that have been picked! Posted by BIGSHANN
Hi Bigshann, If this was not aimed at me then i apologise for this post. I will not have a chance to be picked as i have taken the decision to play my normal amount of play, which doesnt fullfill the criteria, and not increase that just to chase the prize. That said, i have organised competitions in the past and have ALWAYS had some people question some part of the rules. As i have said in another post i will play devils advocate but even if i wasnt, i am entitled to my opinion and have the right to put any concerns forward.
I just think its strange how people seem to think that sky are doing this promotion as a nice giveaway to its players?---Its a buisness idea to promote more play and higher stakes play on the site---full stop---one player will benefit from this promotion, hundreds will not, loads of people will spend money that they would not normally spend---that is why this promotion exists
I have no interest in moaning about low stakes versus high stakes players, I cannot qualify because I am not resident in the uk---I just think players should see this promotion for what it is--- An effort to make more money for sky, and not a fantastic gesture to thank players for their loyalty or patronage. Thats what the 100 quid freerolls are for --lol
First of all I would like to congratulate the 3 guys who got picked this week. Phil , Ben and Jakally. 3 solid players who are always very consistent. Phil maybe Dave can teach you how to play q 10 hearts!! Secondly, I can not beleive the amount of time people are willing to waste worrying about the t&c's and qouting them and whinging about every little technical point. Surely this time would be better spent trying to improve their own game and maybe putting them in with a chance of being picked. I don't normally make comment on these type of threads, but feel that are far too many moans and groans and not enough positive contributions to what is a great concept. As has been said before, nobody is required to be a part of it. Good luck again all that have been picked! Posted by BIGSHANN
how can you moan about,
someone trying to sort out the tp rules,
have you read the problem with the age rule,
best you do before moaning about posters,
trying to positively help the 18, 19 and 20 year olds on here.
In Response to Re: OFFICIAL TOTAL PLAYER THREAD : how can you moan about, someone trying to sort out the tp rules, have you read the problem with the age rule, best you do before moaning about posters, trying to positively help the 18, 19 and 20 year olds on here. Posted by IRISHROVER
........and the low stakes players and everyone else who is missing out on the FREE PROMOTION.
Last night they showed 10 selected players and it was only from the last 4 players that any hand where the 'virtual nuts' was not flopped was shown.
I had to select 5 hands and give reasons for why I have chosen them and then send them in. I spent an awful long time selecting these as I believe that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me and I really want the chance. If I'm not tending to my family or my job, I spend an awful long time on poker - reading, watching and trying to improve. Nothing has ever been given to me and I've had to work hard to get better at poker.
I am now a competent player who is still improving and now has the chance to move up to the next level (and hopefully beyond) with the guidance of David. I'm now finding it very annoying that the success of myself and others - fruition after months and years of hard work - is being soured by 1 player who has decided to spend an entire day bemoaning the whole promotion, site, players chosen and mentors for choosing them.
I thank everyone for their extremely kind comments, Sky for this wonderful opportunity and hope to show myself well over the coming months and good luck to all those who have the opportunity over the upcoming weeks.
I have been advised that one player under the age of 21 contacted us early this morning to enquire about what would happen if they won the 1st prize, given that they would not be able to participate in Las Vegas. As you have all been debating today this is a grey-ish area in the terms and conditions which needs clarifying, however, we are not going to rush into a decision on how this will/would be handled this afternoon.
The player who raised the query is being contacted directly and we will make both them and everyone else aware of our position in the next 48 hours.
I can assure you now that our single aim in making a decision is to be as fair and just as possible to all affected parties.
So thank you all for raising your concerns on behalf of the Under 21's, this matter is being dealt with.
Comments
But I thought we'd cleared up the age issue? Clause 20?
"Sky Poker retains the right to substitute the prize with another prize of similar value in the event the original prize offered is not available due to circumstances beyond its reasonable control."
It's certainly beyond Sky Poker's reasonable control if the Nevada Gaming Commission isn't prepared to lower the state's legal gaming age to allow the winner of Total Player to enter the World Series of Poker main event!
I think your walking a bit of a tightrope with that statment.If the NGC had an 18yo rule, then changed it to 21 yo, that is out of skys control, but those are the existing rules before this competition started. That was not the case for the last 2 WSOP qualifiers on this site. If the site makes a big song and dance about the BIG prize, being a comp were you KNOW you have to be 21 or over to play in(by law), then imo, it should be restricted.
regards
col
By the way, Total Player is NOT a World Series of Poker qualifier, Col. The trip to Vegas is only PART of the prize package.
before total player competition was set up.
the nevada gaming commission have this rule in place a very very long time.
was it just a clear case that it was overlooked this year.
a simple error that your gov needs to sort,
does not seem fair on 18, 19 and 20 year old players on skypoker.
No it wasnt lost on me, but we all have to be careful as ive seen other threads get out of control by trying to be sarcastic with comments. I was not saying that Total Player is a WSOP qualifier and i have added to the earlier post. Yes, the trip to Vegas is only PART of the prize, but it is also the PINICALE of the prize.
Please dont think im against this but i will discuss/argue some points. This point wont affect me at all as im over 21, by a fair bit, but if i was uder 21 i would like clarification as to what would be available to me then, instead of the WSOP.
col
If that is the case then all the promotion that everyone can have a shot at this would then be wrong, and could lead to Sky being in hot water legally.
col
PS can i make a point. I am playing devils advocate in these posts.
If this was not aimed at me then i apologise for this post.
I will not have a chance to be picked as i have taken the decision to play my normal amount of play, which doesnt fullfill the criteria, and not increase that just to chase the prize. That said, i have organised competitions in the past and have ALWAYS had some people question some part of the rules. As i have said in another post i will play devils advocate but even if i wasnt, i am entitled to my opinion and have the right to put any concerns forward.
col
I have no interest in moaning about low stakes versus high stakes players, I cannot qualify because I am not resident in the uk---I just think players should see this promotion for what it is--- An effort to make more money for sky, and not a fantastic gesture to thank players for their loyalty or patronage. Thats what the 100 quid freerolls are for --lol
someone trying to sort out the tp rules,
have you read the problem with the age rule,
best you do before moaning about posters,
trying to positively help the 18, 19 and 20 year olds on here.
NUFF SAID
I have been advised that one player under the age of 21 contacted us early this morning to enquire about what would happen if they won the 1st prize, given that they would not be able to participate in Las Vegas. As you have all been debating today this is a grey-ish area in the terms and conditions which needs clarifying, however, we are not going to rush into a decision on how this will/would be handled this afternoon.
The player who raised the query is being contacted directly and we will make both them and everyone else aware of our position in the next 48 hours.
I can assure you now that our single aim in making a decision is to be as fair and just as possible to all affected parties.
So thank you all for raising your concerns on behalf of the Under 21's, this matter is being dealt with.
Regards
Adam