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Free speech on here?

DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
edited October 2013 in Poker Chat
The rock asked a question about huds and a few posts in it gets closed because "sky does not support huds" .and they don't like you discussing them...wtf?
No one was arguing/ being abusive.huds are on loads of sites legally.
Yet we are not allowed to discuss on an open forum?...censorship rules!
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  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited October 2013
    Agreed.
    We're in the poker chat part of the community.
    Rock asked a question that fits into it just fine. See absolutely no need to close the thread.

    This will also be closed shortly by the way Davey :)
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    FWIW, if The Rock missed it, I posted an answer that should sort him out just before it got closed.
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    FWIW, if The Rock missed it, I posted an answer that should sort him out just before it got closed.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Yes saw that...but why close the thread...sky don't have a player to player deposit like some sites so are we not allowed to discuss that either?
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  • NoseyBonkNoseyBonk Member Posts: 6,186
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Free speech on here?:
    The rock asked a question about huds and a few posts in it gets closed because "sky does not support huds" .and they don't like you discussing them...wtf? No one was arguing/ being abusive.huds are on loads of sites legally. Yet we are not allowed to discuss on an open forum?...censorship rules!
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    Firstly can I just say I hope you don't interpret this as any sort of post against you, Davey. I'm sure you won't but the internet is funny sometimes!

    Free speech doesn't really exist on forums. Perhaps on a few, but in two decades I don't recall ever being part of one where it is allowed. We basically follow rules/guidelines set out by the forum host. So if they don't want a certain type of discussion, then they can choose to stop it. We may not strictly agree with it, it may seem silly to us, but it's their rules.
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  • a00rocka00rock Member Posts: 832
    edited October 2013
    I don't see what the problem was a fellow forum poster asked a poker related question on the poker chat forum. One who has wagered a lot of money on this site and may do so in the future even if he chooses at present to try his luck elsewhere. Other forum posters aired their views in a proper manner on the subject and thread closed. I have seen more differences of opinion on the Poker clinic in analysing hands. The subject matter concerned is common in online poker circles some agree with it some don't such is life I'm a socialist my Mrs is Lib Dem, difference makes life interesting and debate on these sorts of differences should be encouraged in my opinion not prevented.
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    In Response to Free speech on here? : Firstly can I just say I hope you don't interpret this as any sort of post against you, Davey. I'm sure you won't but the internet is funny sometimes! Free speech doesn't really exist on forums. Perhaps on a few, but in two decades I don't recall ever being part of one where it is allowed. We basically follow rules/guidelines set out by the forum host. So if they don't want a certain type of discussion, then they can choose to stop it. We may not strictly agree with it, it may seem silly to us, but it's their rules.
    Posted by NoseyBonk
    You are right of course...it just seems threads get closed to easy for little or no reason than 1 person disagrees with it.
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  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited October 2013
    Sorry, post on wrong thread!
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    I am all for free speech. In this particular case I can see why the mods closed it.

    If it was a discussion about whether or not sky should support HUDs then that would be free speech.

    What the thread was though was a request for help about how to set up a HUD and use it on other sites.

    Why should a Sky forum allow chat effectively helping people to...

    a) Play on other sites
    b) Stay on other sites because they want/need to use a HUD

    I for one am glad that HUDs are not used on sky - it means I can only get beaten by better players and the poker gods - I would hate losing to a human + software.

    My two pence - feel FREE to disagree!


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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,848
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    I am all for free speech. In this particular case I can see why the mods closed it. If it was a discussion about whether or not sky should support HUDs then that would be free speech. What the thread was though was a request for help about how to set up a HUD and use it on other sites. Why should a Sky forum allow chat effectively helping people to... a) Play on other sites b) Stay on other sites because they want/need to use a HUD I for one am glad that HUDs are not used on sky - it means I can only get beaten by better players and the poker gods - I would hate losing to a human + software. My two pence - feel FREE to disagree!
    Posted by Phantom66
    BOOM!

    You nailed it, Mr Phantom.

    I do feel very uncomfortable about this whole "Free Speech" debate, especially in cases like this, so I'm going to start a separate thread to explain why, & we can all use it as a forum for reasoned discussion about the whole issue. I'll do it in the next hour or so.

    Until then, can we ALL hold off further discussion of the topic, as I am hoping I can explain things such that we all have a better understanding of Sky Poker's position, & reasoning.

    Thank you.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,848
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    Agreed. We're in the poker chat part of the community. Rock asked a question that fits into it just fine. See absolutely no need to close the thread. This will also be closed shortly by the way Davey :)
    Posted by Jac35
    Not yet Paul.......;)

    Please see my previous Post, as I very much want to address this whole issue. There are "angles" to it which I don't believe everyone has taken into account.

    Bear with me for an hour or so please. 

    Thanks.       
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    *BUMP*

    Joined the poker rake offer discussions late.

    Skypoker run the forum and have the right to close discussions if they want.

    However what I object to is the closing of all new threads that refer to the issue, while saying you have addressed the reasons in another thread - when it seems that the original thread has been removed completely.

    If you feel you have answered that point...

    What is wrong with leaving the answer for us to see?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2013
    Guys can we please start airing our dirty laundry in private. 

    I have disagreed with many a things sky have done recently, ive commented on threads but tbh public disussion helps no one. The best discussions are kept behind closed doors. 

    There are ways and means to get a point across in a private manner which i think would be much better at present. Lots of threads about various issues keep comming up, the minute the first one is closed/deleted its just going to be a repeat on every single thread. 
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    Guys can we please start airing our dirty laundry in private.  I have disagreed with many a things sky have done recently, ive commented on threads but tbh public disussion helps no one. The best discussions are kept behind closed doors.  There are ways and means to get a point across in a private manner which i think would be much better at present. Lots of threads about various issues keep comming up, the minute the first one is closed/deleted its just going to be a repeat on every single thread. 
    Posted by The_Don90
    I am not commenting on the issue itself - just curious as to what the answer was which was apparently posted by sky and later removed

    I thought I would use another thread in the context of "free speech" than start yet another new one.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here? : I am not commenting on the issue itself - just curious as to what the answer was which was apparently posted by sky and later removed I thought I would use another thread in the context of "free speech" than start yet another new one.
    Posted by Phantom66

    yeah this wasn't aimed at you. Nor is it at others, i know a few people have made efforts to speak to sky privately (i signed my name on one of them). I know things are frustrating sometimes but i just feel the way things are going it feels like a power struggle between Sky and players, which really isn't good for either party. 
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited October 2013
    What is it you're suggesting Donald? That we don't discuss things on here?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    What is it you're suggesting Donald? That we don't discuss things on here?
    Posted by Lambert180
    Well certainly starting 9 million threads (all of which i imagine we know are going to get closed as soon as we hit post) certainly aint getting anywhere. 

    What im suggesting is things are done in a much more discussion based manner, unfortunetly it seems clear than in public that isn't working. 

    I'm not saying i disagree with opinions and i agree they need to be said, but it seems to me like the current methods are just causing consistant unrest, and I'm sure thats not good for anyone. 



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  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2013
    just to play devil's, and with tongue  only slightly in cheeck, but flame-proof jacket fully donned:

    when a sub-ten-post-count username says he's fed up at being excluded from free-roll tournaments s/he will be invariably rounded upon for not realising that sky want to target promotions at new players and that it's silly to expect summat for nothing when you are already a customer.

    why is this RTR new player promo any different?

    cheers,
    TEDDY
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    What is it you're suggesting Donald? That we don't discuss things on here?
    Posted by Lambert180
    not on topics that sky has clearly marked off-limits 

    first the thread gets closed - continue it and you get forum banned - we might not like it but they are the rules which we have no choice but to abide to if we want to have the forum


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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Free speech on here?:
    just to play devil's, and with tongue  only slightly in cheeck, but flame-proof jacket fully donned: when a sub-ten-post-count username says he's fed up at being excluded from free-roll tournaments s/he will be invariably rounded upon for not realising that sky want to target promotions at new players and that it's silly to expect summat for nothing when you are already a customer. why is this RTR new player promo any different? cheers, TEDDY
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    If anyone answers your question on here, this thread will be closed.

    I agree with Don that this should be handled off-forum.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited October 2013

    I am not anti-sky on the issue.

    See my earlier post on this thread - I fully supported them on the HUD debate.

    I am genuinely curious as to what the explanation was from sky.

    To quote an earlier post from sky...

    "Hi guys, 

    We've posted the reasons as to why we have done this on an earlier thread.

    Please refrain from starting new threads on the same subject.

    Thanks for your co-operation.

    Jordan"

    That would be fair enough if the post of the reasons was still visible.
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