You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.

You might need to refresh your page afterwards.

Our Community = Your Community

2

Comments

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,924
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    Ok, here goes I do understand all the points that you have made but disagree slightly on some of them. The good stuff I think we are very lucky to have a forum like this. As you stated not many other sites do this and i'm sure along with the TV side, it is a huge draw for many. Moderation is also good. I go on another forum that is also run very well and is moderated. Places like 2+2 are not for me. Also by being a regular on the forum and getting to know people through screen names, I have then gone on to meet them at live events and made really good friendships. Sky put on some really good things for forum members. It's absolutely lovely when we have TOPT and people get nominated. What a nice feeling when somebody nominates you for something you've written on a forum. The freerolls are fine too. Absolutely amazed that we have threads grumbling about Sky about these. Make me a mod and i'll shut them down instantly for you :)The not so good stuff I think Sky shut things down far too quickly. Of course I can see what you're saying about the recent thread that was closed. However, look at it from anther perspective. Reasonable debate on this would have been fine and actually may have reinforced players decisions to play on Sky. I think it was FlashFlush who commented that he didn't like HUDS and this was one of the reasons he only played on Sky. I agree with him and it is a big reason why I play on this site. When people put forward suggestions, it's generally because they want to improve the site. As with everything Sky isn't perfect and when good suggestions are made I think they should be listened too. Often we see something along th e lines of "We thank you for your input and will consider your proposals. All things considered though, THREAD CLOSED" I find this so frustrating. You warn or ban people every time you close a thread? Please don't tell me that Rock got a warning for the thread? I appreciate that it is a very tough job trying to strike the right balance and I think in general Sky do it really well. However as I stated at the start, I think the moderation is just a little heavy handed at times. Hope the knees feeling better.
    Posted by Jac35
    I'll just deal with the "not so good".

    You make some very fair points.  It's possible that privately, I may agree with some of them.........

    I'm trying to look FORWARD, not back, & hope that both parties will be better for it.

    Upstairs never asked me or told me to do this thread, but the whole issue bothers me enormously, because it is largely misunderstandaments. Lifes too short & all that....

    "we thank you for your input, da de da".  Well there is you & me speak, & there is Corporate speak. In truth, the two don't mix well on a poker forum. I'm trying to build bridges here, to stop problems in the future.

    Did Rock get a warning? I've no idea, it is none of my business. The point I was making (perhaps badly) is that, generally, & as far as I know, yes, people who cross the Compliance line DO get a PM.    

    Moderation too harsh? Maybe, maybe not. We all do it differently. You've seen how I help do it elsewhere, but that is a different place altogether, & not part of a Corporation.

    Anyway, the idea is that both parties may be more understanding from here on in, & if this helps achieve that, it'll be worth the effort. We can rake over the coals all day & night, but it ain't gonna solve anything now.

    My knees are much better, thank you, but the dogs are barking now. Went to Alum Bay (Isle of Wight) at the weekend, & instead of using the Chair Lift, I used the steps down to the beach. 198 of them down. I had forgotten the 198 back up, though.....
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,924
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    Slightly off topic as this isn't really about forums, but... In terms of live events, there isn't a lot you can do when it comes to talking about other sites. Clothing could be addressed though. I don't play on any other site, but say for example I played in a Genting event, I wouldn't turn up in a Skypoker hoodie, it's just not right IMO. So people shouldn't turn up to SPTs wearing FT or Stars clothing, it's a little disrespectful if you ask me...
    Posted by FlashFlush
    I agree, but short of being heavy handed, what can we do? You are completely right (imo) but it's not something we can really do much about. Honestly, we run these SPT's & it does not occur to people WHY we run them!

    People do not do it intenionally, it just dos not cross their mind. The internet is destroying stuff like "etiquette".
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,308
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    HUD debate.   Again, the question was fair enough, & I’m sure wholly innocent, but think about it.    “Help me to play elsewhere please?”   Why would Sky Poker ever do that? There are lots of independent poker forums, I can think of 20 off the top of my head, they are the places to discuss such stuff.    For clarity here, Sky Poker have never knowingly allowed HUD's, & never will as far as I can see. There are good reasons for this (depending where you sit…) but other Sites are now considering adopting the same stance, & some already do. They will always exist, but the Online poker world will eventually be divided into those that allow, & those that don’t. As such, certain types of player will prefer one to the other, which is abso fine. This is another matter which is being hotly debated on most of the independent poker forums at present, including 2+2.   Incidentally, you may be aware that Online Poker is gradually returning to the USA, in a proper, regulated form. This is a good thing, imo. As far as I am aware, NONE of the newly regulated sites in the USA allow HUD’s. There is a thread about that on 2+2 right now. A well known UK Skin has just adopted a "No HUD" policy for part of its site, too.  
    Posted by Tikay10

    I agree with Vespa and good to know they won,t coming in anytime soon. I,ve noticed a cpl of other sites dropping this and even blocking ppls stats on SS or just pulling out of SS which has to be a good thing for recreational players. 
    What new players want to play on a site where they are effectively playing with a slight disadvantage?

    Paul

    Ps - For me its the community forum and Ch 861 that has kept me with Sky although i do have a dabble on other sites

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,924
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : I agree with Vespa and good to know they won,t coming in anytime soon. I,ve noticed a cpl of other sites dropping this and even blocking ppls stats on SS or just pulling out of SS which has to be a good thing for recreational players.  What new players want to play on a site where they are effectively playing with a slight disadvantage? Paul
    Posted by MP33
    Yes, more & more are going that route.

    Eventually, there will be two types of site, those that allow & those that don't, & players will decide where to play.

    Some quite interesting scenarios are possible there.....when every player on a site has a HUD, where will the advantage be then?......
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,308
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : Yes, more & more are going that route. Eventually, there will be two types of site, those that allow & those that don't, & players will decide where to play. Some quite interesting scenarios are possible there.....when every player on a site has a HUD, where will the advantage be then?......
    Posted by Tikay10
    It will be mainly winning players or more knowledgable players so when new and recreational players see this they are more likely to play on sites w/o the HUD,s  like Sky imo - well hopefully anyway





  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,665
    edited October 2013
    Well intentioned and well written, Tikay, as we have come to expect from you.

    Like most of us here, I'm a recreational player, and I joined Sky Poker eighteen months ago to play the game the way it was intended to be played - fairly, and without abuse and/or aggravation. I think a lot of people forget (and some don't even realise) that the forum is an addition to what happens on the felt, and the fact that it is here at all is a tick in Sky's box. You will not find a forum like this anywhere else.

    So, before people get too excited about complaining and moaning about what is and isn't permitted on these pages, they should remember that their ability to say anything at all - good, bad, or indifferent - is only done so at Sky's discretion. The forum was introduced to integrate our community, so that we feel more like a family, rather than just an avatar and a silly username. That's why 861 is here as well.

    And besides, someone has to be in charge of the content, and I'd rather it was Sky than some of the loose cannons around this place.

    A lot of people enjoy the chat that goes on in the forum - be it poker related or not - and for many the nature of it, as well as the live events, has promoted the social aspect of poker that you simply do not see elsewhere. Some have even made lasting friendships as a result of this community, both online and in person.

    So, before you castigate the moderators for taking on a job they really don't have to do at all, perhaps you should think about what the forum does bring to the table, and how Sky Poker just wouldn't be the same without it.

    Brian
  • a00rocka00rock Member Posts: 832
    edited October 2013
    Tikay I agree with virtually all that you have written here. The points I would make is that Sky will be aware that the vast majority of players on here play on other sites as well, its no secret many of the diaries and posts actually refer to this.

    As far as the HUDs issue is concerned I too am glad Sky don't allow it and long may that continue but I don't think the debate was encouraging anyone to play on other sites it was actually the exact reverse IMHO.

    The forum is probably the main reason I spend most of my poker time on sky (its certainly not because I have an edge on here far from it) it is a USP but my father taught me to be honest if I have anything to say or keep it shut!

    Last but not least I am of the opinion that had the author of the HUD debate realised that Sky would have taken the line they did he would have never asked for help on here in the 1st place. The phrase making a mountain out of a molehill comes to mind but may be from both sides of the debate.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,487
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    Tikay I agree with virtually all that you have written here. The points I would make is that Sky will be aware that the vast majority of players on here play on other sites as well, its no secret many of the diaries and posts actually refer to this. As far as the HUDs issue is concerned I too am glad Sky don't allow it and long may that continue but I don't think the debate was encouraging anyone to play on other sites it was actually the exact reverse IMHO. The forum is probably the main reason I spend most of my poker time on sky (its certainly not because I have an edge on here far from it) it is a USP but my father taught me to be honest if I have anything to say or keep it shut! Last but not least I am of the opinion that had the author of the HUD debate realised that Sky would have taken the line they did he would have never asked for help on here in the 1st place. The phrase making a mountain out of a molehill comes to mind but may be from both sides of the debate.
    Posted by a00rock
    Interesting point that some of the diaries contain stuff from other sites.
    Isn't that sort of promoting other sites if they are showing they are winning a lot elsewhere?
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2013

     Interesting thought has come to mind with reference to the HUD thread.

     Why did he post it on this forum?
     

      I dont believe for a second that is was with any bad intent or advertising reasons. So the answer must be that he thought that posting on this forum on this site would generate the sort of replies that he needed.

     For me this says a lot of good about the forum. It says that the people who look through these threads can be trusted and relied upon to give good responses to serious questions. Ok the question turned out to be a bit inappropriate but the fact that this was selected as the place for it says something. We need to keep this forum as a place where people can ask question in the knowledge they will get sensible replies. We need to keep the people replying on these threads, open and honest. In other words we need to keep everything that is good about this forum. Once the boundaries are established and well known then surely it can only be for the good of the forum. We mustnt lose sight of why we like the forum.
  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    Ok, here goes I do understand all the points that you have made but disagree slightly on some of them. The good stuff I think we are very lucky to have a forum like this. As you stated not many other sites do this and i'm sure along with the TV side, it is a huge draw for many. Moderation is also good. I go on another forum that is also run very well and is moderated. Places like 2+2 are not for me. Also by being a regular on the forum and getting to know people through screen names, I have then gone on to meet them at live events and made really good friendships. Sky put on some really good things for forum members. It's absolutely lovely when we have TOPT and people get nominated. What a nice feeling when somebody nominates you for something you've written on a forum. The freerolls are fine too. Absolutely amazed that we have threads grumbling about Sky about these. Make me a mod and i'll shut them down instantly for you :) The not so good stuff I think Sky shut things down far too quickly. Of course I can see what you're saying about the recent thread that was closed. However, look at it from anther perspective. Reasonable debate on this would have been fine and actually may have reinforced players decisions to play on Sky. I think it was FlashFlush who commented that he didn't like HUDS and this was one of the reasons he only played on Sky. I agree with him and it is a big reason why I play on this site. When people put forward suggestions, it's generally because they want to improve the site. As with everything Sky isn't perfect and when good suggestions are made I think they should be listened too. Often we see something along th e lines of "We thank you for your input and will consider your proposals. All things considered though, THREAD CLOSED" I find this so frustrating. You warn or ban people every time you close a thread? Please don't tell me that Rock got a warning for the thread? I appreciate that it is a very tough job trying to strike the right balance and I think in general Sky do it really well. However as I stated at the start, I think the moderation is just a little heavy handed at times. Hope the knees feeling better.
    Posted by Jac35
    My thoughts entirely..only put much better..I just thought the op was misunderstood and had no intention of selling another site etc..plus the thread soon went on a tangent  to the pros and cons of huds rather than how to/ where to use them..

  • DonttelmumDonttelmum Member Posts: 1,921
    edited October 2013
    Is it ok to stake players to play on sky?
  • DUNMIDOSHDUNMIDOSH Member Posts: 1,473
    edited October 2013
    I play on Sky mainly because of the forum!
    I will never be anything special at the game but I do enjoy the experience! I've played other sites but am a very small fish in a very big pond on most!
    There are many characters I respect on the forum! Often their comments make me smile and brighten up my day!
    I think the moderation is fair, but wish the same rules applied to the chat box!
    If i'm going to be called rude names in chat, I just wish the perpetrators would spell correctly and understand the meaning of the words they're using.
    Thanks Tikay for taking the time to compose this thread! there will always be debate on the subject. But at the end of the day having a forum to vent emotions is a massive plus and 861 even bigger! if either were taken away they would be sorely missed!
  • POKERTREVPOKERTREV Member Posts: 9,607
    edited October 2013
    Another good thing about this forum is.......................

    It allows me to hijack a thread and remind Tikay to check his PM's :)

    Ref: Orfordable League Prizes

    Many thanks Sir.



    Regarding the community Forum.....

    My general consensus is, that anything poker related should be open for debate, including HUDS, Staking, Live Poker, the good the bad & the ugly of online poker, how "RNG" random number generators deal a hand, right through to online collusion, when, where & how it could effect you.

    There are many many more general poker topics which should and must be allowed to be openly debated, however, using a forum for the purpose of promoting other sites is a definite NO NO and should go without saying.

    Clear rules and guidelines for posting and discussing any topics should be at the top of the relevant section of the forum.

    Online poker needs to continue to gain the trust of its player database & prospective customers and to do this, we expect a degree of transparency. Onlinepoker companies need to continually reassure their customers that they do everything in their power to keep it's customers money safe, whether that be from fraudsters, collusion, hacking, the use of unauthorised software like HUDS which would give players an unfair advantage over others etc.

    If I were new to the site I would expect to be able to discuss all these things if only to gather opinion & to reassure myself that I have joined a reputable site that does not hide from debate but is able to openly embrace it & use it for self promotion.

    A healthy discussion/debate on all poker related matters (especially online poker) is a must if the industry is to continue to gain trust. If on the other hand we are using a forum to promote other sites and this is against the forum rules, then the least we can expect is that our post will be edited to remove all such promotion and thus allow the the discussion to continue in a positive manner without the need for being deleted completely.


    ps. I won the 4K Re-buy open last night, so i'll have nothing bad said about the RNG :)

    thin brag I know :)         
  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg Member Posts: 4,146
    edited October 2013

    Tikay as you are responding to questions on this thread I have a couple of things I would like to ask you.
     The first is what I MEANT to say in that post last week. The USPs of Sky are the forums, community, 861 and the way they support DTD and the Orfy and all the seat prizes they hand out. Sky has said that their target audience is the recreational player and the game lobby certainly reflects that. These recreational players are happy to dive into a Bounty Hunter, get a couple of heads and enjoy an hour or 2 of poker. That was the point I was trying to make last week albeit horrendously badly. Do you not think there is room in the schedule for a more balanced roster of tournaments such as freezeouts, rebuys etc for a broader appeal across the board?

     My 2nd question concerns the thread I started asking for Sky to consider a 2nd Megastack. The thread had some good support and a great response from Sky saying they would look into it but couldn't promise anything. Since then we have heard nothing either positive or negative so I can only assume they have decided against it. So my point is sometimes Sky leave us hanging for any response too many times and I would like them to be more responsive when requests are made.

  • Sky_DaveSky_Dave Member Posts: 3,288
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    Tikay as you are responding to questions on this thread I have a couple of things I would like to ask you.  The first is what I MEANT to say in that post last week. The USPs of Sky are the forums, community, 861 and the way they support DTD and the Orfy and all the seat prizes they hand out. Sky has said that their target audience is the recreational player and the game lobby certainly reflects that. These recreational players are happy to dive into a Bounty Hunter, get a couple of heads and enjoy an hour or 2 of poker. That was the point I was trying to make last week albeit horrendously badly. Do you not think there is room in the schedule for a more balanced roster of tournaments such as freezeouts, rebuys etc for a broader appeal across the board?  My 2nd question concerns the thread I started asking for Sky to consider a 2nd Megastack. The thread had some good support and a great response from Sky saying they would look into it but couldn't promise anything. Since then we have heard nothing either positive or negative so I can only assume they have decided against it. So my point is sometimes Sky leave us hanging for any response too many times and I would like them to be more responsive when requests are made.
    Posted by FlyingDagg

    Hi Dagg,

    The responsibility on that one lies with me for not chasing it up. I'll be 100% honest with you here - we are snowed under. We have tons on at the moment (UKOPS, 700m Hand, that sexy new software which is almost here...), and it means the whole Poker Team (techies, forum rogues, content guys, tournament schedulers, the man who iritates Beaneh so much with his blind structures) are flat out. I hold my hands up though - that was mine to pursue on your behalf.

    I'll do that today and let you know what the response is.

    BTW, there is so much sense in this thread from many differing viewpoints. As a Philosophy student, I find it a beautiful thing when people disagree respectfully and people can take those alternative views on board, imo. It helps us learn, become more tolerant, etc. :)

  • Sky_DaveSky_Dave Member Posts: 3,288
    edited October 2013
    Right, I have news. 

    I've managed to get TWO more Mega Stack tournaments added to the weekly schedule on Monday and Wednesday nights at 8.30pm. Same buy-in, same strucuture. 

    The guarantee on these two new tourneys will be £300 rather than £400 though. Reason? The site is generally quieter on those two nights than on a Friday, so the view is to start smaller with these. If they and the Friday one consistently beat the GTDs they could be scaled up in time. 

    For those who like their deep stack tourneys, there are two others on the weekends (8.15pm on Saturday and Sunday, iirc) which might be worth catching if you can too.

    Hope that helps, /hijack, etc :)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,924
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : Hi Dagg, The responsibility on that one lies with me for not chasing it up. I'll be 100% honest with you here - we are snowed under. We have tons on at the moment (UKOPS, 700m Hand, that sexy new software which is almost here...), and it means the whole Poker Team (techies, forum rogues, content guys, tournament schedulers, the man who iritates Beaneh so much with his blind structures) are flat out. I hold my hands up though - that was mine to pursue on your behalf. I'll do that today and let you know what the response is. BTW, there is so much sense in this thread from many differing viewpoints. As a Philosophy student, I find it a beautiful thing when people disagree respectfully and people can take those alternative views on board, imo. It helps us learn, become more tolerant, etc. :)
    Posted by Sky_Dave
    Gotta +1 that, the thread has been EXACTLY what I hoped it would be, all good, well-reasoned, adult discussion, even though we disagree on many things. This is how Forum discussions on ticklish subjects should be discussed.

    I've not replied to all the questions yet, so I'll continue with that shortly.
     
    I genuinely hope both sides of the Table understand each other a little better now. 

    It's good to waffle.
      
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,924
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    Is it ok to stake players to play on sky?
    Posted by Donttelmum
    Yes, if you wish, its absolutely fine. But we won't permit staking threads, offering, or asking for, Staking. That slope would be of the super slippery variety.
     
    Promoting or spamming Staking organisations is also a no-no. 

    I'n not personally averse to Staking in certain circumstances (for big MTT's, but never never in a million years for cash games), and I buy a great deal of action myself, but time & place & all that, & it is not really suitable here.
     
    Don't tell mum though.  
     
  • DonttelmumDonttelmum Member Posts: 1,921
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : Yes, if you wish, its absolutely fine. But we won't permit staking threads, offering, or asking for, Staking. That slope would be of the super slippery variety.   Promoting or spamming Staking organisations is also a no-no.  I'n not personally averse to Staking in certain circumstances (for big MTT's, but never never in a million years for cash games), and I buy a great deal of action myself, but time & place & all that, & it is not really suitable here.   Don't tell mum though.    
    Posted by Tikay10

    Thanks Tikay.

    So how about putting me into the WSOP 2014?

    I won't tell my Mum!

  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited October 2013
    In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community:
    I started a thread in Team Talk titled 'Team 51 Join Us' This of course encourages players to play on Sky within our team. The thread has been deleted. Would there be any reason for deleting this? thread link (now broken of course) https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat:57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum:fe44ed5b-a5bb-4eec-b300-cc40d1b3a210Discussion:4d51cabd-0d3a-44a2-92dc-8e2f958900d3
    Posted by Boxster

    Hi Boxster,  I know that Tommy D and Myself replied to you on Facebook ( I think it was Face Book)  Tommy was looking into this for you but I can tell you that there have been instances in the past where threads have just disappeared.  

    The software that runs the forum is a created and run by a third party.  I have asked the other Moderators and as far as I can make out no one from the Moderator team deleted your thread.  It was just on of those things i'm afraid.  

    As far as I could tell there was nothing untoward about your thread so feel free to start it up again 

    Sorry I couldn't be of more help 
Sign In or Register to comment.