Tikay I agree with virtually all that you have written here. The points I would make is that Sky will be aware that the vast majority of players on here play on other sites as well, its no secret many of the diaries and posts actually refer to this. As far as the HUDs issue is concerned I too am glad Sky don't allow it and long may that continue but I don't think the debate was encouraging anyone to play on other sites it was actually the exact reverse IMHO. The forum is probably the main reason I spend most of my poker time on sky (its certainly not because I have an edge on here far from it) it is a USP but my father taught me to be honest if I have anything to say or keep it shut! Last but not least I am of the opinion that had the author of the HUD debate realised that Sky would have taken the line they did he would have never asked for help on here in the 1st place. The phrase making a mountain out of a molehill comes to mind but may be from both sides of the debate. Posted by a00rock
Thank you Mr Rock Chap.
Two points there, suitably enboldened.
Yes, of course it is fine to generally discuss other Sites in Diaries & the like, that's a different kettle of fish entirely, & it's abso fine. And Sky Poker readily understand that most players play on more than one Site.
Most of us have our "main" or "base" Poker Site, but we flit on & off other Sites for particular Tourneys or reasons.
A quite peculiar side-issue here, which always amuses me, but I never comment. We actually have regular Posters here on this Community who almost NEVER play on Sky Poker, but like to Post on this Community, & have a little pop at Sky Poker. Go figure that! So when they come on every week & say how much better xxx.com is, I do a little roll of the eyes.....
The HUD debate thing? Well that thread was used as a example, and the sort of opportunity I've been looking for to try & explain a few things. I actually think the whole exercise has been worthwhile, overall. It's so refreshing to see a thread which does not include the accusations of "stupidity" & "idiocy" (expressed in a FAR worse manner) by Management or whatever. That line never solved anything. Even though it may be true.....;)
Interesting thought has come to mind with reference to the HUD thread. Why did he post it on this forum? I dont believe for a second that is was with any bad intent or advertising reasons. So the answer must be that he thought that posting on this forum on this site would generate the sort of replies that he needed. For me this says a lot of good about the forum. It says that the people who look through these threads can be trusted and relied upon to give good responses to serious questions. Ok the question turned out to be a bit inappropriate but the fact that this was selected as the place for it says something. We need to keep this forum as a place where people can ask question in the knowledge they will get sensible replies. We need to keep the people replying on these threads, open and honest. In other words we need to keep everything that is good about this forum. Once the boundaries are established and well known then surely it can only be for the good of the forum. We mustnt lose sight of why we like the forum. Posted by Talon
Exactly that, & hopefully, we are a good way towards doing that. That was the whole idea, really.
It tears me apart to see bad blood & aggro, but I truly believe that 95% of it is unintentional, sometimes more "clumsy" than ill-intent.
Some advice has been offered here by both sides of the debate, & everything has been noted & absorbed. It can only be a good thing.
In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : Thank you Mr Rock Chap. Two points there, suitably enboldened. Yes, of course it is fine to generally discuss other Sites in Diaries & the like, that's a different kettle of fish entirely, & it's abso fine. And Sky Poker readily understand that most players play on more than one Site. Most of us have our "main" or "base" Poker Site, but we flit on & off other Sites for particular Tourneys or reasons. A quite peculiar side-issue here, which always amuses me, but I never comment. We actually have regular Posters here on this Community who almost NEVER play on Sky Poker, but like to Post on this Community, & have a little pop at Sky Poker. Go figure that! So when they come on every week & say how much better xxx.com is, I do a little roll of the eyes..... The HUD debate thing? Well that thread was used as a example, and the sort of opportunity I've been looking for to try & explain a few things. I actually think the whole exercise has been worthwhile, overall. It's so refreshing to see a thread which does not include the accusations of "stupidity" & "idiocy" (expressed in a FAR worse manner) by Management or whatever. That line never solved anything. Even though it may be true.....;) Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : Interesting point that some of the diaries contain stuff from other sites. Isn't that sort of promoting other sites if they are showing they are winning a lot elsewhere? Posted by VespaPX
No, it's fine, as long as it is not covertly promoting "play elsewhere", there has to be some balance.
I do regularly see "'I won $x on 'Stars last night", & we all know that 'Stars is an incredibly good site. Even so, Sky Poker have USP's that 'Stars do not, & that includes, for better or worse (we all see it different), the small Buy In Tourneys here don't get 50,000 runners!
We have a community & a TV Channel, too ('Stars have neither), it's all checks & balances, & players have a great choice. Long may that choice last.
I play on Sky mainly because of the forum! I will never be anything special at the game but I do enjoy the experience! I've played other sites but am a very small fish in a very big pond on most! There are many characters I respect on the forum! Often their comments make me smile and brighten up my day! I think the moderation is fair, but wish the same rules applied to the chat box! If i'm going to be called rude names in chat, I just wish the perpetrators would spell correctly and understand the meaning of the words they're using. Thanks Tikay for taking the time to compose this thread! there will always be debate on the subject. But at the end of the day having a forum to vent emotions is a massive plus and 861 even bigger! if either were taken away they would be sorely missed! Posted by DUNMIDOSH
ZING!
And that is why BOTH parties need to make a little effort.
It's no good blaming it all on Sky Poker, or all on the players - it is both. This Community is the sum total of what we all choose to make it. Nothing worthwhile was ever achieved without a little effort. You can see the "givers" & "takers" on any Forum, those who work at it to make good or interesting threads, (for no personal return or thanks) & those who just use it as a chuntering stool.
You wake up some mornings & see some dreadful chuntery Posts, then click "see previous Posts", & you suddenly realise that ALL their Posts are the same.
In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : My thoughts entirely..only put much better..I just thought the op was misunderstood and had no intention of selling another site etc..plus the thread soon went on a tangent to the pros and cons of huds rather than how to/ where to use them.. Posted by DAVEYZZ
100% agree Davey. There was no ill-intention, none whatsoever, but that's not to say it was appropriate, either.
Bit of an awkward shaped box if you think about it.
"....I'll ask on Sky Poker's Community how I can use something they don't allow, & how to use it on another site. I can't ask on that other Site though, as they don't have a Forum...."
Or, if you like....
"....today I'll go into Sainsburys, use their car park, & ask around how best to use Tesco Club Points...."
Quite awkward really - but for clarity, NO, there was no absolutely deliberate ill-intent. It was a good opportunity for me to explain some things, thats all.
I'm much more into avoiding aggro in advance, rather than breaking up fights. Pre-emptive, pro-active, bla bla bla.
Slightly off topic as this isn't really about forums, but... In terms of live events, there isn't a lot you can do when it comes to talking about other sites. Clothing could be addressed though. I don't play on any other site, but say for example I played in a Genting event, I wouldn't turn up in a Skypoker hoodie, it's just not right IMO. So people shouldn't turn up to SPTs wearing FT or Stars clothing, it's a little disrespectful if you ask me... Posted by FlashFlush
In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : I agree, but short of being heavy handed, what can we do? You are completely right (imo) but it's not something we can really do much about. Honestly, we run these SPT's & it does not occur to people WHY we run them! People do not do it intentionally, it just dos not cross their mind. The internet is destroying stuff like "etiquette". Posted by Tikay10
Not sure I agree on this one. As a Skypoker reg I would be happy to wear my Skypoker hoodie* when attending a Genting live event and not feel it disrespectful, and vice versa. I'm wearing my colours, and they know I'm a possible target for their site, so everyone should be happy. Isn't/wasn't Team Sky Poker a more grandiose version of this?
*bit of a theoretical discussion given that i don't own one and don't wear hoodies
Tikay as you are responding to questions on this thread I have a couple of things I would like to ask you. The first is what I MEANT to say in that post last week. The USPs of Sky are the forums, community, 861 and the way they support DTD and the Orfy and all the seat prizes they hand out. Sky has said that their target audience is the recreational player and the game lobby certainly reflects that. These recreational players are happy to dive into a Bounty Hunter, get a couple of heads and enjoy an hour or 2 of poker. That was the point I was trying to make last week albeit horrendously badly. Do you not think there is room in the schedule for a more balanced roster of tournaments such as freezeouts, rebuys etc for a broader appeal across the board? My 2nd question concerns the thread I started asking for Sky to consider a 2nd Megastack. The thread had some good support and a great response from Sky saying they would look into it but couldn't promise anything. Since then we have heard nothing either positive or negative so I can only assume they have decided against it. So my point is sometimes Sky leave us hanging for any response too many times and I would like them to be more responsive when requests are made. Posted by FlyingDagg
Happy days - Blandy has replied to most of that, yay!
As to that Post you made last week, no, sorry, I don't recall it........
In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : Slightly off topic as this isn't really about forums, but... In terms of live events, there isn't a lot you can do when it comes to talking about other sites. Clothing could be addressed though. I don't play on any other site, but say for example I played in a Genting event, I wouldn't turn up in a Skypoker hoodie, it's just not right IMO. So people shouldn't turn up to SPTs wearing FT or Stars clothing, it's a little disrespectful if you ask me... Posted by FlashFlush Not sure I agree on this one. As a Skypoker reg I would be happy to wear my Skypoker hoodie* when attending a Genting live event and not feel it disrespectful, and vice versa. I'm wearing my colours, and they know I'm a possible target for their site, so everyone should be happy. Isn't/wasn't Team Sky Poker a more grandiose version of this? *bit of a theorectical discussion given that i don't own one and don't wear hoodies Posted by GELDY
No no no Gelders, you COMPLETELY misunderstand.
Wearing Sky Poker apparel at Genting Events is 100% fine, obviously. What's good for the goose is not pate. Cake & eat it, too. Other daft analogies may follow.
PS - Seriously, you make a good point there, & I agree. Apologies, I got my answer wrong earlier.
Right, I have news. I've managed to get TWO more Mega Stack tournaments added to the weekly schedule on Monday and Wednesday nights at 8.30pm. Same buy-in, same strucuture. The guarantee on these two new tourneys will be £300 rather than £400 though. Reason? The site is generally quieter on those two nights than on a Friday, so the view is to start smaller with these. If they and the Friday one consistently beat the GTDs they could be scaled up in time. For those who like their deep stack tourneys, there are two others on the weekends (8.15pm on Saturday and Sunday, iirc) which might be worth catching if you can too. Hope that helps, /hijack, etc Posted by Sky_Dave
Dave thank you so much thats brilliant news. Not wishing to put a damper on things but Monday night is DTD and I think mondays may struggle, but Wednesdays is a great night and I'm sure that it will get good support. And I have no problems with the guarantee being £300. Thankyou again Sky.
Comments
Two points there, suitably enboldened.
Yes, of course it is fine to generally discuss other Sites in Diaries & the like, that's a different kettle of fish entirely, & it's abso fine. And Sky Poker readily understand that most players play on more than one Site.
Most of us have our "main" or "base" Poker Site, but we flit on & off other Sites for particular Tourneys or reasons.
A quite peculiar side-issue here, which always amuses me, but I never comment. We actually have regular Posters here on this Community who almost NEVER play on Sky Poker, but like to Post on this Community, & have a little pop at Sky Poker. Go figure that! So when they come on every week & say how much better xxx.com is, I do a little roll of the eyes.....
The HUD debate thing? Well that thread was used as a example, and the sort of opportunity I've been looking for to try & explain a few things. I actually think the whole exercise has been worthwhile, overall. It's so refreshing to see a thread which does not include the accusations of "stupidity" & "idiocy" (expressed in a FAR worse manner) by Management or whatever. That line never solved anything. Even though it may be true.....;)
It tears me apart to see bad blood & aggro, but I truly believe that 95% of it is unintentional, sometimes more "clumsy" than ill-intent.
Some advice has been offered here by both sides of the debate, & everything has been noted & absorbed. It can only be a good thing.
I do regularly see "'I won $x on 'Stars last night", & we all know that 'Stars is an incredibly good site. Even so, Sky Poker have USP's that 'Stars do not, & that includes, for better or worse (we all see it different), the small Buy In Tourneys here don't get 50,000 runners!
We have a community & a TV Channel, too ('Stars have neither), it's all checks & balances, & players have a great choice. Long may that choice last.
I just got owned by the Boss.
Meh.
And that is why BOTH parties need to make a little effort.
It's no good blaming it all on Sky Poker, or all on the players - it is both. This Community is the sum total of what we all choose to make it. Nothing worthwhile was ever achieved without a little effort. You can see the "givers" & "takers" on any Forum, those who work at it to make good or interesting threads, (for no personal return or thanks) & those who just use it as a chuntering stool.
You wake up some mornings & see some dreadful chuntery Posts, then click "see previous Posts", & you suddenly realise that ALL their Posts are the same.
Agendas gonna agenda.
Bit of an awkward shaped box if you think about it.
"....I'll ask on Sky Poker's Community how I can use something they don't allow, & how to use it on another site. I can't ask on that other Site though, as they don't have a Forum...."
Or, if you like....
"....today I'll go into Sainsburys, use their car park, & ask around how best to use Tesco Club Points...."
Quite awkward really - but for clarity, NO, there was no absolutely deliberate ill-intent. It was a good opportunity for me to explain some things, thats all.
I'm much more into avoiding aggro in advance, rather than breaking up fights. Pre-emptive, pro-active, bla bla bla.
Posted by FlashFlush
In Response to Re: Our Community = Your Community : I agree, but short of being heavy handed, what can we do? You are completely right (imo) but it's not something we can really do much about. Honestly, we run these SPT's & it does not occur to people WHY we run them! People do not do it intentionally, it just dos not cross their mind. The internet is destroying stuff like "etiquette".
Posted by Tikay10
As to that Post you made last week, no, sorry, I don't recall it........
END OF........
Wearing Sky Poker apparel at Genting Events is 100% fine, obviously. What's good for the goose is not pate. Cake & eat it, too. Other daft analogies may follow.
PS - Seriously, you make a good point there, & I agree. Apologies, I got my answer wrong earlier.
All done?
All questions answered now I hope.
If so, Upstairs will close the thread.
Oh, wait......
Oh wait.... NEWS FLASH
Morrisey has confirmed his Autobiography will be published this month.
Fancy some light reading TK?