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Analyse my hands!
peter27
Member Posts: 1,634
Been meaning to post these for a while, but could never find the time until now!
1) I won the hand here, but was my play correct? Could I have squeezed more value on the river? I feared that he had an ace with a higher kicker.
2) Was I right to fold after the flop or should I have gone for one more street?
Thanks guys!
1) I won the hand here, but was my play correct? Could I have squeezed more value on the river? I feared that he had an ace with a higher kicker.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| banana10 | Small blind | 10.00 | 10.00 | 2060.00 | |
| peter27 | Big blind | 20.00 | 30.00 | 1980.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| jazzyB681 | Call | 20.00 | 50.00 | 1980.00 | |
| stushir | Fold | ||||
| redstar7 | Fold | ||||
| ewan1988 | Fold | ||||
| banana10 | Call | 10.00 | 60.00 | 2050.00 | |
| peter27 | Check | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| banana10 | Check | ||||
| peter27 | Check | ||||
| jazzyB681 | Bet | 60.00 | 120.00 | 1920.00 | |
| banana10 | Fold | ||||
| peter27 | Call | 60.00 | 180.00 | 1920.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| peter27 | Check | ||||
| jazzyB681 | Bet | 135.00 | 315.00 | 1785.00 | |
| peter27 | Call | 135.00 | 450.00 | 1785.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| peter27 | Check | ||||
| jazzyB681 | Check | ||||
| peter27 | Show |
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| jazzyB681 | Muck |
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| peter27 | Win | Three Aces | 450.00 | 2235.00 | |
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Uridium | Small blind | £0.05 | £0.05 | £18.99 | |
| HOLLYWHIT | Big blind | £0.10 | £0.15 | £38.03 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| peter27 | Raise | £0.20 | £0.35 | £19.41 | |
| itsagas | Call | £0.20 | £0.55 | £7.34 | |
| VINEY73 | Fold | ||||
| hennix11 | Fold | ||||
| Uridium | Fold | ||||
| HOLLYWHIT | Call | £0.10 | £0.65 | £37.93 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| HOLLYWHIT | Check | ||||
| peter27 | Check | ||||
| itsagas | Bet | £0.65 | £1.30 | £6.69 | |
| HOLLYWHIT | Fold | ||||
| peter27 | Fold | ||||
| itsagas | Muck | ||||
| itsagas | Win | £0.60 | £7.29 | ||
| itsagas | Return | £0.65 | £0.05 | £7.94 | |
Comments
Hand 1/ We can bet half pot and fold to a jam.
Hand 2/ Depends on reads.
If villain donk leads every pot then he doesn't have to have anything here and we can reraise and charge him for draws or put him in a tough position with his 2nd and 3rd pairs. You'd have to be comfortable playing down the streets though cos there aren't many turns and rivers we are gonna like. If this is first time all session he's led out then pretty simple fold.
Remember to keep taking notes on players tendencies.
Hand 2 - Make it 30p pre. There are some deep stacks there and we want to play a big hand if we hit. We are also UTG and therefore can take some decent aggression in the hand as we should be playing a narrower range which allows us to c-bet the flop with confidence. As played I don't see a lot wrong with it but certainly there can be a few slightly different ways of playing this.
I like the fact you have decided to raise, but it's a bit 2 small, when you raise so small if anyone calls (before the blinds) then the chances are you are going to a 3 / 4 way flop with only a small pair, that will not play well post flop, outside of hitting your 6 / straight draw, most times we are going to be forced to fold post flop.
In this hand here we end up getting the 2 callers. The flop is actually really decent for our 6s.
100% we need to be continuation betting this flop. As played 1 bet and we fold, its far better to be the agressor in the hand.
Pre (if not limping) make it 30-40p. Definatly continuation bet.
Larson, if you're limping there it's a big leak. You don't want to believe me but it really is.
Enter for a raise, at the same amount you'd raise with AA, AK, TT, and any other hand you intend to play. Three times the big blind is a standard raise playing 100BB deep. When you're 200BB deep, as here, four times the big blind is fine.
Hand 2 - Agree with Harry that I think we should be c-betting this flop. It's pretty good as flops go for 66 (without having a 6 on it). If we make him fold a load of hands with 2 overs then that's fine imo. 3x pre though
A min raise is as good as a limp.
Limping would be far superior to 2xing imp, 2xing, check folding, is just burning money.
I totally disagree with you that limping with pocket 6s (certain other hands in our range) is a leak. It is good to mix it up and a good way of doing that is limping on occasion. 95% of the time we want to be raising, but it's always good to through in a curve ball now and again.
As for 3x is standard 100bb deep, 4x is standard 200bb deep. The size of your pre flop raises is totally dependant on the table you are playing at, if you have a table of limpers that like to see flops you want to bet a lot bigger pre. But you do want to be consistant in your bet sizing at the same table.
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OP it is better to raise an unopened pot. In poker it is always far better to be the aggressor.
I would say try and avoid min raising (as it will not deter any players that want to play the hand) where as 3 x or more probably will.
If you want to "min raise" you would be better limping (with a hand like sixes)
If you watch the Biggame, it's not unusual to see the pros limping (every now and again).
With regards to hand 2.
This hand shows a major problem in your game. I like the preflop raise but possibly should have been more. For me you should always be entering for a raise. But you cant enter a pot like this with a hand like that to only play fit or fold poker.
You will only hit a set on about 1 in 7 flops. Can you guarantee to get paid off everytime you hit, probably not. So entering these pots and then playing fit or fold is an overall losing play. You are just open to being bullied off. Especially if you check fold when you miss and will only c-bet when you hit.
Now apart from hitting your set or better on the flop what is the best flop you could hope for. The answer is that flop. Only one over and no high cards. Your opponent has no idea what you have so you are capable of representing much stronger than you actually have. That is a c-bet 100% of the time. Check old should never enter your head.
So for me if you are going to play that weak and passive post flop when you miss your unlikey flop then the best thing to do is fold pre. Either be aggressive and take control or give up earlier
1)
C/C was fine but probably better to bet on the river (although fold to a re-raise)
2)
Good to be betting pre-flop, but maybe 3x rather than my 2x bet.
Flop was pretty good for 66, so I needed more aggression and therefore a bet post-flop. My question is how much should I have bet, half-pot? Also, at what point would I fold? How about if he re-raises?
We should always be raising into a pot. As far as im concerned there is only 1 occassion where limping may be acceptable... When we are dealt prem blind on blind against a shortish stack which is liable to shove... but not call a wider a range (in a tournament) - even then im not so sure.
If we have Aces we raise 3x pre.
If we have AK we raise 3x pre.
If we have 66 we limp?
We cannot be giving opponents clues to the strength of our hand before we've hit the flop. And we also always want to be the aggressor.
We raise 66 3x pre. Everytime.
RE hands. I agree that hand 1 we can bet/fold. Hand 2 we should be continuing. Its a great flop for us to take down uncontested. Yes if we hit resistance we can shut down, but definitely bet flop.
personally I would raise more pre,a min raise is just the same as a limp imo
if its an aggressive table and u have a monster then a min raise would be ok, with the intention to 4 bet any raise but not with 66.
so why are you min raising? not value ,so u can fold to a re raise? to get your opponents to fold ?( don't think so)
so ask yourself why am I min raising?
so now your playing 66 in a tricky position
the flop
when the bb checks, I would bet say 1/2 pot bet ,as it is a not to scary a board for you , and to show strength, when u check you pass the initiative to your opponent.
the way its played u have shown weakness throughout the hand so far,so the player in position has a big advantage now.so probably a fold is the correct descion for you after the pot bet bet .
If you had taken a more standard approach to the hand,3x raise pre,c/bet 1/2 pot the flop,then the hand would have been much easier to play.
I hope this helps
My reason for min raising was because I wanted to show strength, that I had something - but I realised it is not the best hand so I didn't want to risk too much. I do now understand why the bet should have been bigger though!
Min-raising produces different dynamics to 3x'ing, but it also produces different dynamics to limping. Many people will think a min-raise looks like a marginal hand, many people will think it looks like a monster. Some may think we're varying our raise size due to our position and others will think that we're min-raising because we want to get a particular opponent involved in the hand.
The key point is that people will make some sort of assumption about what our raise size means if we are varying our open raise sizes. We won't necessarily know what assumptions those players are making but it definitely won't be the same as if we limp. There are at least half a dozen players I have notes on saying "Min-raises monsters" or something similar. There are other players I have notes on saying "Min-raises from late position: Does not indicate hand strength".
Generally the best thing to do is probably to have a standard raise size with all of your hands in any position, until you have more history with your opponents and will understand their reactions to your play. You should not vary your raise size if you don't know how your opponents will react. You want to keep them predictable, so don't aid them in being unpredictable. You must NEVER vary your raise size to accurately reflect the strength of your hand.
Larson, saying a raise size is "standard" is not the same as saying it's always optimal and should always be followed. It's literally saying that it's the standard and you should have good reasons for deviating from it.
I'm not going to explain my logic for not open-limping 66 in situations like this because I know you've seen me do that a thousand times already. I could only make the same arguments again.
As I understand it, the key thing is to - as you said - "NEVER vary your raise size to accurately reflect the strength of your hand". Some people say you should have a standard raise size, some people say you should mix it up (not depending on your hand strength though). I do like to mix it up occasionally - often for deception i.e. pre-flop 3x most of the game but then pre-flop min raising when I hold AK for example (if the blinds are high that is).