Imo the safest thing to do while you don't have reads or are in the early stages of learning the game is just stick to the same bet sizing pre regardless of holdings.
If effective stacks (the shortest stack involved in the hand) are over 50xBB I'd be 3x'ing. If they're under 50xBB then I think min-raising is better.
3bets when the stacks are over 50xBB (again readless) should generally be imo about 9xBB total in position and 10-11xBB out of position. We'll generally have a stronger range when we're 3betting OOP than IP so wanna get more value and it's harder to play OOP so the less room we leave for the opponent to outmaneuver us postflop, the better. In position we should be 3betting wider and taking down pots easier with the positional advantage so can go smaller.
When stacks are under 50xBB then we can make our 3bets alot smaller... for instance if stacks are all 3500 @ 50/100 and someone makes it 200, first of all, going to 9xBB would be huge cos the open is smaller, but even doing 3x his open (like 'normal') might not be optimal, I might go something like 550-575 IP and 625 OOP.
Imo the safest thing to do while you don't have reads or are in the early stages of learning the game is just stick to the same bet sizing pre regardless of holdings. If effective stacks (the shortest stack involved in the hand) are over 50xBB I'd be 3x'ing. If they're under 50xBB then I think min-raising is better. 3bets when the stacks are over 50xBB (again readless) should generally be imo about 9xBB total in position and 10-11xBB out of position. We'll generally have a stronger range when we're 3betting OOP than IP so wanna get more value and it's harder to play OOP so the less room we leave for the opponent to outmaneuver us postflop, the better. In position we should be 3betting wider and taking down pots easier with the positional advantage so can go smaller. When stacks are under 50xBB then we can make our 3bets alot smaller... for instance if stacks are all 3500 @ 50/100 and someone makes it 200, first of all, going to 9xBB would be huge cos the open is smaller, but even doing 3x his open (like 'normal') might not be optimal, I might go something like 550-575 IP and 625 OOP. Posted by Lambert180
That seems to make logical sense, thanks Lambert! :-)
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If effective stacks (the shortest stack involved in the hand) are over 50xBB I'd be 3x'ing. If they're under 50xBB then I think min-raising is better.
3bets when the stacks are over 50xBB (again readless) should generally be imo about 9xBB total in position and 10-11xBB out of position. We'll generally have a stronger range when we're 3betting OOP than IP so wanna get more value and it's harder to play OOP so the less room we leave for the opponent to outmaneuver us postflop, the better. In position we should be 3betting wider and taking down pots easier with the positional advantage so can go smaller.
When stacks are under 50xBB then we can make our 3bets alot smaller... for instance if stacks are all 3500 @ 50/100 and someone makes it 200, first of all, going to 9xBB would be huge cos the open is smaller, but even doing 3x his open (like 'normal') might not be optimal, I might go something like 550-575 IP and 625 OOP.