Noones mentioned that our flush might not even be good if we get there. AKs, AQs could easily be in villains range given the action. I'm less inclined to shovel the money in when we dont have the nut draw also. We can convince ourselves its a cooler but i don't think we can justify it when its of our own making chasing a draw with potentially dirty outs and playing it like the nuts. Posted by gazza127
There are sixteen combinations of each AK and AQ, only two of those thirty two hands are AsKs and AsQs and there are lots of other hands in his range. It does impact on our implied odds a bit, but that's the same whether we check-call the flop and turn or check-raise at some stage.
We don't like getting it in on the turn just drawing to three outs, but we don't like check-calling to the river and just check-folding when we miss, either. Check-calling down and giving up when we miss will cost us more than trying to win the pot with a semi-bluff in the long run.
In Response to Re: 20NL Mastercash - C/R Turn w/ GS + FD : True. That being said I think our fold equity on the turn when we raise is going to be much higher than our fold equity when we raise on the flop. Posted by F_Ivanovic
Highly dependant on range assignment, ie. villian could pick up more pot equity on turn
or our fold equity may just remain the same verus some villians
maybe we should all go and c/r 100% of dry turn's and report our findings
In Response to Re: 20NL Mastercash - C/R Turn w/ GS + FD : True. That being said I think our fold equity on the turn when we raise is going to be much higher than our fold equity when we raise on the flop. Posted by F_Ivanovic
+1
We rep so much stronger a range by taking a non-standard drawing line.
In Response to Re: 20NL Mastercash - C/R Turn w/ GS + FD : Highly dependant on range assignment, ie. villian could pick up more pot equity on turn or our fold equity may just remain the same verus some villians maybe we should all go and c/r 100% of dry turn's and report our findings Posted by rancid
+1 again.
Not that bit about check-raising all dry turns, though. I'm not going to do that.
Of course it depends on villain's range but we do have to make some assumptions on that. Which assumptions we make depends on our experiences of general players in these types of situations, until we have specific reads.
In Response to Re: 20NL Mastercash - C/R Turn w/ GS + FD : At least you post your hand/s with good intentions, and not wanting smoke being blown up your backside! Posted by hhyftrftdr
orite well if u got %20 of equity in the whole universe of equity that refelects the equity of this hand u need %55 per cent edge of all equity to make this a gd raise in the whole world of equity so to sum it up in 1 word EQUITY Posted by IDONKCALLU
A big LOL!
Well here's a little something that you may or may not have known but 'Turn Equity' can increase 'Fold Equity' more than 'Flop Equity' due to it having an extra 0.05% more Equity than the pot equity. Usually 45% Equity will get a bluff through.
Being serious, I think the flop and turn play was fine.
In Response to Re: 20NL Mastercash - C/R Turn w/ GS + FD : A big LOL! Well here's a little something that you may or may not have known but 'Turn Equity' can increase 'Fold Equity' more than 'Flop Equity' due to it having an extra 0.05% more Equity than the pot equity. Usually 45% Equity will get a bluff through. Being serious, I think the flop and turn play was fine. Posted by DoubleAAA
its only 1 hand guys chill its not life or death btw what is equity anyways Posted by IDONKCALLU
On the off chance that you're really asking, or that someone else reading this thread would like it explained:
Equity is basically how much of the pot we "own". In other words, if we think we are 40% to win against our opponent's range, then 40% of the pot is "ours".
Equity has become shorthand for the strength of our hand, however we can also exercise some 'fold equity'.
That fold equity is what we call the value of being the player to make the bet, rather than the player making the call. So if we somehow know that our opponent is holding a pocket pair below QQ (not-inclusive) and we have AK:
If we shove and can make our opponent fold all his pairs below 77, we actually can cut in half our opponent's equity in the hand. So he folds half of his pairs and when he does call we've got a roughly 50/50 chance. Now our total equity is 75%, even though our opponents hands are all 50% to win if he calls.
Generally speaking though, when people talk about equity in this forum, they're talking about the value of our hand if it gets to showdown.
In Response to Re: 20NL Mastercash - C/R Turn w/ GS + FD : I was just joking as IDONK also made a joke about equity @IDONK So my thread is a record then? Lot's of equity talk in that as well Posted by DoubleAAA
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We don't like getting it in on the turn just drawing to three outs, but we don't like check-calling to the river and just check-folding when we miss, either. Check-calling down and giving up when we miss will cost us more than trying to win the pot with a semi-bluff in the long run.
Highly dependant on range assignment, ie. villian could pick up more pot equity on turn
or our fold equity may just remain the same verus some villians
maybe we should all go and c/r 100% of dry turn's and report our findings
We rep so much stronger a range by taking a non-standard drawing line.
Not that bit about check-raising all dry turns, though. I'm not going to do that.
Of course it depends on villain's range but we do have to make some assumptions on that. Which assumptions we make depends on our experiences of general players in these types of situations, until we have specific reads.
So summary:
Erm.
You won the hand.... wp.
Wait for it...
Well here's a little something that you may or may not have known but 'Turn Equity' can increase 'Fold Equity' more than 'Flop Equity' due to it having an extra 0.05% more Equity than the pot equity. Usually 45% Equity will get a bluff through.
Being serious, I think the flop and turn play was fine.
Equity is basically how much of the pot we "own". In other words, if we think we are 40% to win against our opponent's range, then 40% of the pot is "ours".
Equity has become shorthand for the strength of our hand, however we can also exercise some 'fold equity'.
That fold equity is what we call the value of being the player to make the bet, rather than the player making the call. So if we somehow know that our opponent is holding a pocket pair below QQ (not-inclusive) and we have AK:
If we shove and can make our opponent fold all his pairs below 77, we actually can cut in half our opponent's equity in the hand. So he folds half of his pairs and when he does call we've got a roughly 50/50 chance. Now our total equity is 75%, even though our opponents hands are all 50% to win if he calls.
Generally speaking though, when people talk about equity in this forum, they're talking about the value of our hand if it gets to showdown.
Lovely explanation of equity.
@IDONK So my thread is a record then? Lot's of equity talk in that as well