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Got to love the micro stakes
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When most people flop a monster they have no idea how to play it, lol. If I had hit a 8 on turn or the river I would have got his stack. Lost the min well played ME.
ActionCardsAmountPotBalance-ACERAG- Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.40 calcalfold Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £4.64 rickyhul13 Big blind £0.04 £0.10 £2.04 Your hole cards 8 8 rickyhul13 Check TheRat1 Fold bandit66 Fold -ACERAG- Raise £0.14 £0.24 £4.26 calcalfold Call £0.12 £0.36 £4.52 rickyhul13 Call £0.12 £0.48 £1.92 Flop 10 3 10 -ACERAG- Bet £0.20 £0.68 £4.06 calcalfold Call £0.20 £0.88 £4.32 rickyhul13 Fold Turn 6 -ACERAG- Bet £0.20 £1.08 £3.86 calcalfold Call £0.20 £1.28 £4.12 River A -ACERAG- Check calcalfold Bet £0.36 £1.64 £3.76 -ACERAG- Call £0.36 £2.00 £3.50 calcalfold Show 10 9 -ACERAG- Muck 8 8 calcalfold Win Three 10s £1.85 £5.61
ActionCardsAmountPotBalance-ACERAG- Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.40 calcalfold Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £4.64 rickyhul13 Big blind £0.04 £0.10 £2.04 Your hole cards 8 8 rickyhul13 Check TheRat1 Fold bandit66 Fold -ACERAG- Raise £0.14 £0.24 £4.26 calcalfold Call £0.12 £0.36 £4.52 rickyhul13 Call £0.12 £0.48 £1.92 Flop 10 3 10 -ACERAG- Bet £0.20 £0.68 £4.06 calcalfold Call £0.20 £0.88 £4.32 rickyhul13 Fold Turn 6 -ACERAG- Bet £0.20 £1.08 £3.86 calcalfold Call £0.20 £1.28 £4.12 River A -ACERAG- Check calcalfold Bet £0.36 £1.64 £3.76 -ACERAG- Call £0.36 £2.00 £3.50 calcalfold Show 10 9 -ACERAG- Muck 8 8 calcalfold Win Three 10s £1.85 £5.61
Comments
Don't try to humiliate other players. That's not what this forum is for. If you really want to post hands like this, remove the villain's alias.
that was easy to fold on the river why else does a pair weak than 88 call the flop call the turn yet decides to bet the river?
if you think he is bluffing why would he bluff when their is a possibility of you holding trips.
bad call.
To be honest the pre-flop raise is a tad small but the bet on the flop isn't appalling. The same can't be said of the turn bet. The river check-call is the best thing about the hand, as we're allowing the villain to bluff. Betting the river would probably be worse.
The trouble is the bet looks like a value bet. IF we believe this villain can only be value betting with this sizing, we shouldn't call. If he can make this size as a bluff, it's an easy call because missed draws only need to make up 18% of his range to break even before rake.
I admit the turn bet was small in relation to the pot, as was thinking he/she may have a ten.
so check call on the river was the best option. So when he/she bet the put a pathetic bet in on river, its a crying call.
We shouldn't be betting the turn if we think the only hand the villain can call with is a Ten. So when we do bet the turn, we have to think we're going to be called by draws and weaker made hands than our 88. If they will call a bet of 20p with those draws and weaker hands, they'll probably call a bet of 50p or more, too. We should give them that opportunity to pay us more when they're behind. We can offer him the chance to make a bigger mistake.
In fact, betting 20p into 88p gives our opponent better than 5:1 odds on the call. If he's holding a bare flush draw, his chances of hitting on the river are 4:1. That means he'd be making a mistake by not calling. We're effectively paying him to draw rather than charging him to.
If drawing hands or weaker made hands don't make up a majority of the hands that call our bet on the turn, don't bet. If you don't think the villain is going to be bluffing the river, don't call.
As I say, I think the check-call is fine on the river, though. The only trouble is that the bet size looks very much like value.
...as long as this sizing can be a bluff. I don't know the villain's play at all, but that's a question of reads. I don't think we need to have had thousands of hands of history with the villain to know if he sizes his bluffs bigger than this, though. We just need to have seen him bluff a few times before.
Having been called down to the river, I'd be thinking a draw is more likely than anything else when deciding to check-call.
If they have a flush draw, straight draw, 2 overs, 1 out, no outs they don't care, no matter how bad, they will not give it up.
To improve I admit I need change my mind set and stop playing the micros.
calcalfold still bossing
Gotta love the mergin'.
The villain thinking is...
I don't have a clue where I am in the hand, I will call waiting to hit another 10 or 9 and then I may have the best hand. River comes and still villain does not have a Scooby do, so puts a pathetic bet in, no relation to pot size or stack, no thinking ill make it look like a value bet or a bluff, ill bet small and pray to the poker goods 1. I win 2. I don't get raised.
If you want to be better than them, you should be thinking about those things and how to get your opponents to make mistakes. You wouldn't be betting bigger on the turn to get them to fold, you'd be betting to get them to call with those missed draws. You want them calling with hands worse than yours, even though they will sometimes catch up.
When you offer them the right price to make their hand, even if they don't know it, they're not making a mistake by calling. If you think your opponents won't fold their draws whatever the price, that's a great reason to bet bigger for value. Don't worry about the times you lose, worry about whether the play is the most +EV available to you.
If you want to improve you won't do it by moving up in stakes. If you can't beat NL4, you can't beat higher levels either.
It just comes down to whether we think the villain could be betting this amount as a bluff. If he can't be, then obviously it's a fold. If he can be, we only need to beat such a small portion of his range that folding would be a mistake.
Ironically in this spot, I think a bigger bet would be easier to call, in a vacuum. Even if sometimes he has the Ace with his flush draw, a lot of the time he doesn't and we don't need to be winning a majority of the time for the call to be +EV. If he had bet half-pot, we'd need to win 25% of the time to break even. If he'd bet 3/4 pot, we'd need to win 30% of the time...
So we're calling knowing that we're probably losing more often than not. It's just a question of whether we're losing often enough to make it -EV. That's very read dependent.
We always need to consider the rake, of course.