In Response to Re: NL20 Cash hand : fink it's 16.88 to win 40.28 unless I am reading it backwards Posted by rancid
Villain has raised 16.88ish but Hero only has £11.XX left (can't read the exact amount in OP as it's blocked off) So as I said somewhere earlier I think we have around 25% equity needed and have 22.5% or so with our hand vs a flush.
@ Tommy: Yeah I agree that often big on flop and smaller OTT is often indicative of someone not liking the turn card! But with stack sizes probably not very relevant here. Then again a lot of players will just ignore the SPR and just go 3/4 again OTT if they're happy with their hand. Do you mean you now think AA w/o a heart could be a call or that AA w/ a heart is a call? I still think at this level AA w/o a heart is a call. As Rancid said not too many players are semi bluff shoving turn anyway. AxAh whilst it stops a lot of semi-bluffs still gives us a good amount of equity vs a lot of their hands. And if they're "value/merge" shoving KK/QQ w a heart we have them crushed whereas with AA no heart they still have plenty of outs.
We only have like £11 behind, they cover us. So it's around 11 to win 35ish Posted by TommyD
o yeah, OMG completly mis read it - changes everything
i snap JJ
with AA it is close ya know - probably a call - all about the 1 heart hands villian may have - but if we put more 1 heart hands in then we have to put more flush combos to balance out villians calling range pre
In Response to Re: NL20 Cash hand : Villain has raised 16.88ish but Hero only has £11.XX left (can't read the exact amount in OP as it's blocked off) So as I said somewhere earlier I think we have around 25% equity needed and have 22.5% or so with our hand vs a flush. @ Tommy: Yeah I agree that often big on flop and smaller OTT is often indicative of someone not liking the turn card! But with stack sizes probably not very relevant here. Then again a lot of players will just ignore the SPR and just go 3/4 again OTT if they're happy with their hand. Do you mean you now think AA w/o a heart could be a call or that AA w/ a heart is a call? I still think at this level AA w/o a heart is a call. As Rancid said not too many players are semi bluff shoving turn anyway. AxAh whilst it stops a lot of semi-bluffs still gives us a good amount of equity vs a lot of their hands. And if they're "value/merge" shoving KK/QQ w a heart we have them crushed whereas with AA no heart they still have plenty of outs. Posted by F_Ivanovic
re:AA Us not having the nut blocker is better for us, we can put more one heart combos in villians range. This is if we believe villian is shoving one heart hands on turn. If we don't think vill is shoving one heart hands then it's only combos of sets and flushes. Surely for both secenrios we have to have the same combo range.
fwiw I did not unclude AA/KK but did include AK/QQ in the flattting range pre
In Response to Re: NL20 Cash hand : re:AA Us not having the nut blocker is better for us, we can put more one heart combos in villians range. This is if we believe villian is shoving one heart hands on turn. If we don't think vill is shoving one heart hands then it's only combos of sets and flushes. Surely for both secenrios we have to have the same combo range. fwiw I did not unclude AA/KK but did include AK/QQ. Posted by rancid
Not necessarily. Perhaps if villain is shoving every single time he has Ahx but then the rest of his hands are value.
eg. vs AhQh, TT, JT, AhJs we only have 18% equity with our AA (no heart)
vs 8h9h, TT, JT, KhQh, JJ though we have 28.7% equity when we have AA (with a heart)
I added in 3 Ah bluffs to that 2nd hand range I gave and we still only have 20.7% equity. So yeah, the Ah blocker is not all that relevant and actually having redraws matters a lot more.
Would be a lot different on the river though where having no cards to come means that calling with AA w/o the nut blocker is going to be better.
In Response to Re: NL20 Cash hand : Not necessarily. Perhaps if villain is shoving every single time he has Ahx but then the rest of his hands are value. eg. vs AhQh, TT, JT, AhJs we only have 18% equity with our AA (no heart) vs 8h9h, TT, JT, KhQh, JJ though we have 28.7% equity when we have AA (with a heart) I added in 3 Ah bluffs to that 2nd hand range I gave and we still only have 20.7% equity. So yeah, the Ah blocker is not all that relevant and actually having redraws matters a lot more. Would be a lot different on the river though where having no cards to come means that calling with AA w/o the nut blocker is going to be better. Posted by F_Ivanovic
still like 9 combos of Ahx we can give villian if we give ourselves Ah then it does take away Ahxh combos from villian which there are only 4 maybe 5
fwiw if i realised stack sizes properly too i dont ask the question i asekd tommy. amazing how many of us missed that. also amazing how much mind changing is going on with this hand.
Thanks for replies, hand was interesting to me mainly in respect of whether to bet turn (and sizing) versus checking and letting oppo bluff/potentially realise equity with a hand containing a single heart.
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i snap JJ
with AA it is close ya know - probably a call - all about the 1 heart hands villian may have -
but if we put more 1 heart hands in then we have to put more flush combos to balance out villians calling range pre
Us not having the nut blocker is better for us, we can put more one heart combos in villians range.
This is if we believe villian is shoving one heart hands on turn.
If we don't think vill is shoving one heart hands then it's only combos of sets and flushes.
Surely for both secenrios we have to have the same combo range.
fwiw I did not unclude AA/KK but did include AK/QQ in the flattting range pre
if we give ourselves Ah then it does take away Ahxh combos from villian which there are only 4 maybe 5
idk may do the math when I have more time