Very interesting post and great reading (quite funny reading about giving things to charity...personally dont see why that came up in a poker thread!)
Anyhow the way I see it is the people that are paying for this freeroll are those that are paying rake to sky. So yes why should the people that are paying higher rake (by playing more games or spending more on buy ins) be paying for new or idle players to win money on freerolls?
The new players are given free points so this will give them enough to play the freerolls to start with. If they dont play real money games ie pay rake, why should these people be entitled to money from the rake other people are paying?
These freerolls are now more attracitve with less entries so the people that are loyal (pay the rake) are now being rewarded more and why not!
The new players are also being rewarded because they can win more (with less entries) and when they use up their new player points they are no longer new players.
The question for me is how many pts should it cost. 50 is quite steep as I play almost every day and it means I can probably play 5 or 6 freerolls a month which is more than most will manage. So in a months time or even in a few weeks time how many people will be entering these? I think they will no longer be a daily freeroll in time and possibly be abandoned (hopefully not).
My plee to sky is to review the entry points based on entries. It appears sky have changed strategy on the what they want to gain from these freerolls and Im fearing it means paying out less at the end of the day by reducing these from daily to weekly freerolls.
Let get this straight If i have zero points at the beginning of the month earn 100 don't use them you take them for rewards payment £1.But if i use them on freerolls have zero at the end of the month i still get £1 reward? How is this fair and not punishment for keeping them? Posted by belsibub
Why do you want to keep them?
All they are good for is playing the freerolls, so use what you can before they give you your reward payment and take the points off you.
In Response to Re: £500 Free Cash Freeroll at 7pm : Why do you want to keep them? All they are good for is playing the freerolls, so use what you can before they give you your reward payment and take the points off you. Win/Win Posted by dragon1964
Whoosh,you miss the point.
In the t's & c's of rewards it says points WILL be deducted to enable payment of reward so I played by the rules and kept them when everyone else seems plays by different rules.If I new I could use them I would have.
Good grief, what an extraordinary thread. I suppose it reflects the internet world fairly accurately.
I always try to be polite, and that makes it quite awkward to explain some things in a manner which does not cause offence. But no offence is intended, so I hope this is taken in that spirit on this occasion.
We have a two-way street here.
Players - Clients - have a choice. If they like what this site - or any other site - offers, they stay. If they don't, they leave. That's their perfect right. Nobody can complain, they are exercising their right to choose. People leave poker sites - for a variety of reasons - every day. And new players come along. It was & will always be so. The plan is that more people join than leave. Simple.
The Site does a lot of things to try & ensure those two things remain in reasonable balance, or positive.
This includes all the Promotional activities - including Freerolls, Rewards Points & Related Promos, Happy Hours, the TV Channel, the Jackpot, & loads more besides.
It does not give away that money because it is run by nice people - it does so to attract new players, & to incentivise those already here to stay here, play more, or play more frequently. That's the bare truth.
If it has given money, via Freerolls, say, to players over many years, & some of those players just exploit the system by not playing more, or for longer, & never depositing cash on the site, it makes no sense to keep giving them money, because there is zero payback. That money will still get spent as part of the Promotional budget, but it will just be spent in a different area, where it works better, & does what it is intended to do.
Why would it ever make sense to keep giving money to those who don't intend to ever Deposit on the Site? These things are reviewed all the time.
"Was or is there a reasonable payback or benefit to the Business if we do this that or the other?"
If "yes", more of the same ensues. Of "no", then they divert that cash into an area of Promotion where it works better.
A glance at the "PROMOTIONS" Page shows a dozen or more different Promos at any given time. They all offer some sort of enhanced benefit to players, & they all cost money. They are reviewed all the time, & adjusted to what works best. The ideal Promo does it's job by getting more players to play more often, or for longer, in return for a tangible benefit.
The Promos that fail that test are reviewed & adjusted, or even discontinued. I can't imagine any Business would do any different. It's no different to "Offers" from Tesco or Sainsbury, Vodafone or 02, or any other Business.
Tesco had Baked Beans on offer last week, this week they reverted to the original, higher, price for Baked Beans, but cut the price of Eggs. I expect they got a lot of grumpy letters from those who wanted the discounted Baked Beans, but not a word from the happy egg eaters. The tug of war between Clients & Suppliers is a perpetual one, & a very good thing it is, too, as it benefits both parties.
In Response to Re: £500 Free Cash Freeroll at 7pm : Whoosh,you miss the point. In the t's & c's of rewards it says points WILL be deducted to enable payment of reward so I played by the rules and kept them when everyone else seems plays by different rules.If I new I could use them I would have. Posted by belsibub
Sorry, I missed some of the posts. I agree that this sentence is worded badly but you have taken this one sentence and ignored all the othe times on the promo page where it says rewards will be paid on points EARNED.
Just a couple of examples taken from the promo page
The Sky Poker Rewards bonus you earn is based on the number of Poker Points you earn in the month, meaning the more you play the more you earn!
All poker points earned in sessions which start after 00:00:00 GMT on the 1st day of the month and end before 23:59:59 GMT on the last day of that same month will qualify.
Hmmm, I actually agree with freerolls costing points to earn.
I don't see why players are allowed to potentially join the site (with £20 free tournament credit!) and only ever enter the freeroll to earn cash for nothing.
Putting a points entry free on the freeroll rewards players who actually play other tournaments on the site, but have found themselves going through a hard time and need a little free cash boost! :-)
Sorry Pete, but it doesn't really have that effect because of the 500 free points that new players get. I managed to earn 50 points over the last few days (some of which was due to the generous 15points on some Omaha Hi-Low DYMs that shouldn't have been 15 points) and the field appeared to be mainly of those new players. When they've used their 10 goes for the 500 free points, another group of new players will follow on from them.
(Not that I've got anything against new players getting the points to play the freerolls, I hasten to add)
Hmmm, I actually agree with freerolls costing points to earn. I don't see why players are allowed to potentially join the site (with £20 free tournament credit!) and only ever enter the freeroll to earn cash for nothing. Putting a points entry free on the freeroll rewards players who actually play other tournaments on the site, but have found themselves going through a hard time and need a little free cash boost! :-) Posted by peter27[/QUOTE
agree there should be an entry fee but maybe lower it to say 25 points more open too all players as some only play dyms and dont make thousands of points a month
Not totally back but close.Never understood this, B/hunter Seat FR 75 points 5 £11 seats at stake £400 gtd when the 2k B/hunter FR costs 50 points and 10 £11 seats at stake 2k gtd.Does not make sense to me.
Sorry Pete, but it doesn't really have that effect because of the 500 free points that new players get. I managed to earn 50 points over the last few days (some of which was due to the generous 15points on some Omaha Hi-Low DYMs that shouldn't have been 15 points) and the field appeared to be mainly of those new players. When they've used their 10 goes for the 500 free points, another group of new players will follow on from them. (Not that I've got anything against new players getting the points to play the freerolls, I hasten to add) Posted by FCHD
Ahh, see I didn't consider the 500 free points as I had forgot about them to be honest.
If it was up to me, freerolls would be limited to players who had played say two different games in the last week. That could be 2 x DYM's or 2 x MTT's or an orbit on two different cash tables.
Curious to know if anyone has been keeping track of the number of entries into the freeroll before and after the change?
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Good grief, what an extraordinary thread. I suppose it reflects the internet world fairly accurately.
I always try to be polite, and that makes it quite awkward to explain some things in a manner which does not cause offence. But no offence is intended, so I hope this is taken in that spirit on this occasion.
We have a two-way street here.
Players - Clients - have a choice. If they like what this site - or any other site - offers, they stay. If they don't, they leave. That's their perfect right. Nobody can complain, they are exercising their right to choose. People leave poker sites - for a variety of reasons - every day. And new players come along. It was & will always be so. The plan is that more people join than leave. Simple.
The Site does a lot of things to try & ensure those two things remain in reasonable balance, or positive.
This includes all the Promotional activities - including Freerolls, Rewards Points & Related Promos, Happy Hours, the TV Channel, the Jackpot, & loads more besides.
It does not give away that money because it is run by nice people - it does so to attract new players, & to incentivise those already here to stay here, play more, or play more frequently. That's the bare truth.
If it has given money, via Freerolls, say, to players over many years, & some of those players just exploit the system by not playing more, or for longer, & never depositing cash on the site, it makes no sense to keep giving them money, because there is zero payback. That money will still get spent as part of the Promotional budget, but it will just be spent in a different area, where it works better, & does what it is intended to do.
Why would it ever make sense to keep giving money to those who don't intend to ever Deposit on the Site? These things are reviewed all the time.
"Was or is there a reasonable payback or benefit to the Business if we do this that or the other?"
If "yes", more of the same ensues. Of "no", then they divert that cash into an area of Promotion where it works better.
A glance at the "PROMOTIONS" Page shows a dozen or more different Promos at any given time. They all offer some sort of enhanced benefit to players, & they all cost money. They are reviewed all the time, & adjusted to what works best. The ideal Promo does it's job by getting more players to play more often, or for longer, in return for a tangible benefit.
The Promos that fail that test are reviewed & adjusted, or even discontinued. I can't imagine any Business would do any different. It's no different to "Offers" from Tesco or Sainsbury, Vodafone or 02, or any other Business.
Tesco had Baked Beans on offer last week, this week they reverted to the original, higher, price for Baked Beans, but cut the price of Eggs. I expect they got a lot of grumpy letters from those who wanted the discounted Baked Beans, but not a word from the happy egg eaters. The tug of war between Clients & Suppliers is a perpetual one, & a very good thing it is, too, as it benefits both parties.
I agree that this sentence is worded badly but you have taken this one sentence and ignored all the othe times on the promo page where it says rewards will be paid on points EARNED.
I don't see why players are allowed to potentially join the site (with £20 free tournament credit!) and only ever enter the freeroll to earn cash for nothing.
Putting a points entry free on the freeroll rewards players who actually play other tournaments on the site, but have found themselves going through a hard time and need a little free cash boost! :-)
(Not that I've got anything against new players getting the points to play the freerolls, I hasten to add)
If it was up to me, freerolls would be limited to players who had played say two different games in the last week. That could be 2 x DYM's or 2 x MTT's or an orbit on two different cash tables.
Curious to know if anyone has been keeping track of the number of entries into the freeroll before and after the change?