Patwalshh in 2014 - [NEW POST - 01/02/2014]

patwalshh

Some of you will ask who I am, some of you will have been berated by me on monster tilt, and some of you will be fairly familiar with me. But my name's Patwalshh and I had a diary way back when.
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I'm a DYM reg, play as many tables as my computer allows (normally 11). I'd like to think I'm not a typical sit and go regular, and have something unique about my approach to the game. I probably have the highest hourly out of the DYMs REGULARS.

I've had some highs in Poker (£2.5k score, crushed 100nl for a month) and I've had some lows (this year). Mainly the biggest battle has been with myself. Anyway, I thought it'd be nice to provide a question and answer for anyone out there that still plays SNGs (tumble weed).

I'll more than likely turn this thread into a mini-diary, but in the mean time - feel free to post anything that you desire.



*on Sky

YouMad

Hi Pat,

Mostly play DYMs myself, at £5 level. 

Find myself tilting a bit after a losing session, how do you deal with this?

I know I can beat the games so I really should just accept it and come back the next day, but seem to stupidly reg for a Russian roulette or something else.

YouMad.

Diminuendo

Do you think Cat and Alfie will ever get back together for good on Eastenders ?

GL with this btw mate

Phantom66

Do you find DYMs easier to play Multi-Tabling?

I ask because I'm sure I get better results when taking instinctive decisions based on bet sizes and stack sizes rather than trying to think too much and play hands to try and outplay opponents.

On 6max I think the reverse is true, because you have to play your opponents more with deeper structure, 2 spots instead of 3 and the greater reward for 1st place.

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Hi Pat, Mostly play DYMs myself, at £5 level.  Find myself tilting a bit after a losing session, how do you deal with this? I know I can beat the games so I really should just accept it and come back the next day, but seem to stupidly reg for a Russian roulette or something else. YouMad.
Posted by YouMad

DYMs are interesting because people often seen them as the 'safe route' but they can be just as brutal in terms of variance. I've gone on 40 buy-in downswings in the past. I don't really tilt in DYMs anymore. I often just try to look at the bigger picture and watch anti tilt videos, videos of puppies, comedy etc. Breathing is a huge underlying aspect of tilt. Stand up, close your eyes and take 10 deep breaths. Imagine yourself unwinding after every breath. Swing your arms around, anything to get the blood flowing. 

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Do you think Cat and Alfie will ever get back together for good on Eastenders ? GL with this btw mate
Posted by Diminuendo

Thanks man!

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*] : Hi YouMad Post more Surprised to read you tilt. You have a great record in the dyms and have a great game. Your results are really impressive. 
Posted by Jac35

Everyone has their way to vent. I'm definately improving on it though. Appreciate the positive post and I look forward to playing with you at the tables. 

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Do you find DYMs easier to play Multi-Tabling? I ask because I'm sure I get better results when taking instinctive decisions based on bet sizes and stack sizes rather than trying to think too much and play hands to try and outplay opponents. On 6max I think the reverse is true, because you have to play your opponents more with deeper structure, 2 spots instead of 3 and the greater reward for 1st place.
Posted by Phantom66

I actually come from a 6-max top 2 pay background, so I've always had that natural level of aggression in my game. There is an art to multitabling in a manner that isn't too exploitable. You have to be aware of how your opponents perceive you and adjust your game accoringly. I spew far less with multi-tables. It's just weighing up cost to reward. 

patwalshh

bump

Month looks something like this (filted by DYMs and then all games) I'm starting to transition into some heads up SNGs, all variants currently offered on the site. Still not exactly sure what I'd say my best game is:

sim_mo

Is your name realy Patricia?

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Is your name realy Patricia?
Posted by sim_mo

Patrick, Patricia, it's all the same.

Is your name really mo? As in the real Mo Farah?

MP33

I know you said to base your questions on Sky, but as most players incl. myself sometimes play on other sites i just wondered what your advice would be when trying to adapt to a 9 or 10 player DYM or STT table when you,ve been so used to playing 6 max?

I seem to find myself playing far to tight and it just seems other players are just waiting for premium hands so it can get pretty boring as well

Thx

Paul

DimTzar

We have played a couple DYMs together and obviously you are a really good opponent. 

What would be the top 3 advice would you give to anyone who want to play DYMs and make some profit?

VespaPX

Hi Pat

Just a quick question for you?
What would you consider a decent ROI for a recreational low stakes DYM player?

Cheers
Mick

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

I know you said to base your questions on Sky, but as most players incl. myself sometimes play on other sites i just wondered what your advice would be when trying to adapt to a 9 or 10 player DYM or STT table when you,ve been so used to playing 6 max? I seem to find myself playing far to tight and it just seems other players are just waiting for premium hands so it can get pretty boring as well Thx Paul
Posted by MP33

I didn't mean to exclude other table formats/sites from the Q&A as I'm not oblivious to the Skypoker 'bubble'. I've had some success on other sites, mainly through 9-max MTTs. 

I think the difficulty with 9-max is that you will a) run into bigger hands & b) the action is slower, so boredom and inpatience can creep in. I'd be tight from early position, especially during the lower blind levels. I like to isolate and take advantage of position as much as possible and in line with this I often 3 bet light in the latter stages from the CO or Button (vs the right opponents) - so try to explore that concept a little. In saying that, strategies will inevitably work differently for different players.  

If you specify your question a little more, I'd be more than happy to go into more depth. 

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

did u present the show    fun house ?
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Before my time unfortunately. 

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

We have played a couple DYMs together and obviously you are a really good opponent.  What would be the top 3 advice would you give to anyone who want to play DYMs and make some profit?
Posted by DimTzar

First of all thank you.

And in no particular order: (1 & 2 kinda tie in together)

1) Learn the value and importance of ICM (independent chip model) and how it specifically applies to latter blind levels.

2) In line with the above, but be very adaptable in your approach to the game. To consistantly beat the games you have to have a solid understanding of the notion of being able (not always) folding huge hands in the early levels and alternatively getting it in as a clear underdog in the latter stages due to stack sizes.

Basically everything revolves around stack sizes, so be completely aware of that in your bet sizes, shoves and value of your own hand (I'd happily open fold AA in some ICM instances)

3) The mental aspect of Poker is a monumentally undervalued factor. Simply being aware of how much variance is involved in the game (bankroll fluctuations), is of great help. You really have to understand that there will be occasions where you play 10 games perfectly and lose every single one (this becomes more prominant at the higher levels due to players generally becoming tighter)

I hope this helps, and if you want me to expand on any of the points above, then just let me know. 

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Hi Pat Just a quick question for you? What would you consider a decent ROI for a recreational low stakes DYM player? Cheers Mick
Posted by VespaPX

It depends how low of stake you're actually talking about. At the £5 stakes I would actually consider break even (0% roi) to be a decent ROI for a recreational DYM player. At the end of the day, Poker is a form of entertainment - look at 99.9% of other leisure industries out there. How many would you expect to pay you for providing a service? 

I base my answer on rake alone (10% and sometimes higher at the lower levels) being difficult to beat over the long term. If you're serious about the game and take the time to critically analyse your play, watch videos, read poker forums, or you're talking about £1/£2 DYMs - then I'd consider a skillful ROI to be (2-4%) and an excellent ROI to be (5-7%).

And of course this is over a very good sample size; 1000 games is somewhat meaningful, 2,500 games begins to give you a more accurate understanding of your ROI and 5,000 games gives you a very clear understanding of your ROI. (I understand most recreational players play nowhere near as many games as this). 

VespaPX

It depends how low of stake you're actually talking about. At the £5 stakes I would actually consider break even (0% roi) to be a decent ROI for a recreational DYM player. At the end of the day, Poker is a form of entertainment - look at 99.9% of other leisure industries out there. How many would you expect to pay you for providing a service? 

I base my answer on rake alone (10% and sometimes higher at the lower levels) being difficult to beat over the long term. If you're serious about the game and take the time to critically analyse your play, watch videos, read poker forums, or you're talking about £1/£2 DYMs - then I'd consider a skillful ROI to be (2-4%) and an excellent ROI to be (5-7%).

And of course this is over a very good sample size; 1000 games is somewhat meaningful, 2,500 games begins to give you a more accurate understanding of your ROI and 5,000 games gives you a very clear understanding of your ROI. (I understand most recreational players play nowhere near as many games as this).


Thanks for the detailed response Pat.
I play mostly at the £1 & £2 levels, mainly Holdem (but recently been dabbling in PLO8).
I've played 2,106 games and have a ROI of 2.5%
I'll try to carry on learning and see if i can get to the 5% mark :-)
Cheers
Mick

PS Should i move up a level?

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Thanks for the detailed response Pat. I play mostly at the £1 & £2 levels, mainly Holdem (but recently been dabbling in PLO8). I've played 2,106 games and have a ROI of 2.5% I'll try to carry on learning and see if i can get to the 5% mark :-) Cheers Mick PS Should i move up a level?
Posted by VespaPX

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Thanks for the detailed response Pat. I play mostly at the £1 & £2 levels, mainly Holdem (but recently been dabbling in PLO8). I've played 2,106 games and have a ROI of 2.5% I'll try to carry on learning and see if i can get to the 5% mark :-) Cheers Mick PS Should i move up a level?
Posted by VespaPX

Firstly, congratulations on beating the games. I think a lot of moving up and down levels comes with confidence. If you feel out of control at a certain level, begin to second guess yourself or think of losing a game winning flip as: 'oh I could have won £10 then!@!@!@!@!@' - then don't move up.

Saying that, I think there's great value in challenging yourself at the higher games and if it doesn't work out over 50 games or so, be very critical and open to adaptations in your game. Take a step down, build your bankroll back up and try again. 

Ultimately only you can decide whether to move up. Although I would say to avoid any rake above 10% like the plague. 

Best of luck

VespaPX

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*] : In Response to  Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*] : Firstly, congratulations on beating the games. I think a lot of moving up and down levels comes with confidence. If you feel out of control at a certain level, begin to second guess yourself or think of losing a game winning flip as: 'oh I could have won £10 then!@!@!@!@!@' - then don't move up. Saying that, I think there's great value in challenging yourself at the higher games and if it doesn't work out over 50 games or so, be very critical and open to adaptations in your game. Take a step down, build your bankroll back up and try again.  Ultimately only you can decide whether to move up. Although I would say to avoid any rake above 10% like the plague.  Best of luck
Posted by patwalshh

Thanks Pat
May stay where i am until after Xmas then try moving up in the New Year.
GL
Mick

TimmyRaRa

Hi Patwalsh. IVE always loved DYM'S and for last couple of months ive been playing loads games between £22-£110.

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Hi Patwalsh. IVE always loved DYM'S and for last couple of months ive been playing loads games between £22-£110.
Posted by TimmyRaRa

Variance of £33 games+ sounds fun  

Best of luck with them

DimTzar

Some really good advice in this thread. I hope it will be some help for DYM players. 

I started playing them as a complete newbie because as you said I thought it was a bit variance free. I played 6-8 tables, I ran horribly and I decided to switch to cash for the time being and I have to say things go better in cash.

How easy is it to get to priority if you only play £5.50 DYMs?

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Finding momentum - patwalshh [Q&A with highest earning DYM player of 2012*]:

Some really good advice in this thread. I hope it will be some help for DYM players.  I started playing them as a complete newbie because as you said I thought it was a bit variance free. I played 6-8 tables, I ran horribly and I decided to switch to cash for the time being and I have to say things go better in cash. How easy is it to get to priority if you only play £5.50 DYMs?
Posted by DimTzar

I'd say that cash is more profitable over the long term, but for me I just prefer DYMs for the time being. It pains me to say this but Priority isn't what it used to be (20% rb as opposed to the previous 28%) and no difference in % between 5k points and 10k. But in answer to your question, if you put a lot of hours in, and due to the £5s run very frequently - I'd say it's doable, but bare in mind that it'd be 4.5-5 hours a day with multi-tabling.

MP33

Just been reading some of the figures up there on percentages of winning over many games and its something i,ve seen a lot ( Very small percenatges ). It seems its the hardest form of the game to make a profit over time when your sticking to one format. Then again the variance should be a bit better but for someone who,s never played poker before and was just starting to learn would you advise them to think about DYM,s or look at another format to spend their time and developing their game at?

Thx

P

Diminuendo

In your opening post you say that you "CRUSHED 100NL" for a month and yet your not playing it now and sticking to dyms.

Obvi its a format that you are good at and 7.5k profit is not to be sniffed at but over that same period of time playing 100NL a good player would smash that figure out of sight so i was just wanting to know why your sticking with the dym format of poker and not moving to cash where your profits could go through the roof ?

Are you sticking with DYMs because the variance is so much less brutal or is it down to bank roll etc, im just intrigued to know because imo the best and most profitable form of the game is cash poker so if your good at it i think you should stick at it mate.

Good luck

Kev