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Russian Roulette

Das_BootDas_Boot Member Posts: 59
edited November 2013 in Poker Chat
I wondered how the regs and 'proper' players on here (not counting myself in that group) use RR. I often go in for a few games from my phone as there's nothing to do once you register. I also have a tilt issue on RR when I've been knocked out or outdrawn then I bundle in for what is just a pure coin flip. Sort of get rid of frustration. 
I'm trying to avoid it (iPad app will help pls Sky) as I do better with real poker but they do seem popular
Anyone play them much?
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited November 2013
    why anyone would gamble any sort of money on something where the odds are stacked against them is beyond me.. im sure if you wanted a pure gamble then you would be much better going to a casino and playing roulette at least that way the odds are only ever slightly against you. My personal advice would be avoid them at all costs and if you are on tilt then find something else to take your mind off it, will cost you a lot less in the long run
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2013
    Yeah as Jordz said.... RR = burning money
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited November 2013
    They are right Das Boot. However I must point out I've seen Lambert180 entered into all-in sats many times, the multi-table equivalent of RR.

    #DoAsISayDontDoAsIDo ;)

    Avoid them if you can, however if a couple of cheap RR games can act as a quick tilt cure it's probably not the worst thing in the world you could do. Buying into a game above your BR while streaming is likely to be far more expensive for example. The cat would much rather see you at a RR table than see the end of your boot. Your laptop would much rather have a RR table on its display than get hurled out of the window.

    I'll be honest here, I've sat in a RR HU a few times when peeved at a bad run of luck. I don't regret it tbh, it did the trick and helped calm me down.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,621
    edited November 2013
    Pretty sure there used to be a player on here who played exclusively RR's  and who had a good roi?  I cant recall his/her name but it was something like "random18".  
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited November 2013
    yeah the all in sats are very similar, and i dont see the benefit long term in playing them, however a lot of times you get overlay and when thats the case you would be stupid not to enter them. also if you are a very low stakes player and limit yourself to one all in sat a night then i think that would be fine, as that one chance you do win it will give you the chance to experience a tournment out of your bankroll and that experience is invaluable in the long term. 
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2013
    FWIW, as a general rule I usually only play all in sats when there is overlay so the extra money in the prizepool cancels out the rake I'm paying and makes them +EV :p

    Might have entered the odd one in my time that hasn't had overlay but as similar to you it's uaully when I'm peeved at a run of bad luck
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    Pretty sure there used to be a player on here who played exclusively RR's  and who had a good roi?  I cant recall his/her name but it was something like "random18".  
    Posted by Glenelg
    When there was a monthly STT league with cash prizes there were two or three high volume RR specialists. They would win the league (buy the league?) every month to the annoyance of DYM grinders, however they all ran at -10% ROI, or very close to it, and ended up losing money overall.

    Many players would actually have better results if they played RR rather than their usual games. This applies to anybody with a long term ROI worse than -10%.

    If you're a Sky Bet customer who doesn't have a clue how to play poker but fancies a quick gamble at a card table then RR is ideal.
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  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited November 2013
    i think all in sats for players like me might be burning money.

    but for good players like lambert i think they might be +ev

    a £11 entry fee for an average player is worth £11

    for a good player, with a decent shot at cashing it maybe worth £14.

    lambert might pay £1.20 for an £11 prize but if he has a MTT roi of 30% then the prize is worth more. so overlay, innit.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette : When there was a monthly STT league with cash prizes there were two or three high volume RR specialists. They would win the league (buy the league?) every month to the annoyance of DYM grinders, however they all ran at -10% ROI, or very close to it, and ended up losing money overall. Many players would actually have better results if they played RR rather than their usual games. This applies to anybody with a long term ROI worse than -10%. If you're a Sky Bet customer who doesn't have a clue how to play poker but fancies a quick gamble at a card table then RR is ideal.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    Sky Vegas?

    The rake on red/black is lower than 10% !
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    i think all in sats for players like me might be burning money. but for good players like lambert i think they might be +ev a £11 entry fee for an average player is worth £11 for a good player, with a decent shot at cashing it maybe worth £14. lambert might pay £1.20 for an £11 prize but if he has a MTT roi of 30% then the prize is worth more. so overlay, innit.
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    lol.

    love your posts TB

    ;)
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette : Sky Vegas? The rake on red/black is lower than 10% !
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Since when was red/black a card game?

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  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited November 2013
    dohhhhh: master of the understated rubdown.

    hehe
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited November 2013
    Hehe, I just went in a RR game, my appetite whetted by this thread.

    The poker gods punished my unwise decision and I left with my tail between my legs.
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    GaryQQQ All-in  500.00 1000.00 0.00
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,621
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    Hehe, I just went in a RR game, my appetite whetted by this thread. The poker gods punished my unwise decision and I left with my tail between my legs. .
    Posted by GaryQQQ

    It's called karma!  For your "bounty hunter bubble" bink!  ;-))

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  • tomo_efctomo_efc Member Posts: 716
    edited November 2013
    Think i'd rather put a gun to my head than play russian roulette.
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  • CHILLIECHILLIE Member Posts: 432
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette : When there was a monthly STT league with cash prizes there were two or three high volume RR specialists. They would win the league (buy the league?) every month to the annoyance of DYM grinders, however they all ran at -10% ROI, or very close to it, and ended up losing money overall. Many players would actually have better results if they played RR rather than their usual games. This applies to anybody with a long term ROI worse than -10%. If you're a Sky Bet customer who doesn't have a clue how to play poker but fancies a quick gamble at a card table then RR is ideal.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    u could of named me in person gary lol won the league 3 times in a row back in the day when the loophole of points was worth exploiting.even got the name Russian czar by my team captain of the dragons lol. but I will say they were worth doing back then but now only for a bit of light relief.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,885
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    Think i'd rather put a gun to my head than play russian roulette.
    Posted by tomo_efc
    Well I thought it was funny, even if nobody else did.......
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette : Well I thought it was funny, even if nobody else did.......
    Posted by Tikay10
    it was very clever teeks, but so is most of the thread!

    fwiw i see many top players in the allinones, without overlay, and myself included from time to time. and as already mentioned these are RRs in all but name, despite Teddys ill-fated attempt to convince us otherwise. i guess it's a little of the lottery mentality ie i can win a lot for only a small potential loss so i'll take the flip even though we know it is -ev. 
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  • tomo_efctomo_efc Member Posts: 716
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette : Well I thought it was funny, even if nobody else did.......
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thanks TK i like to keep it light hearted, but still take everyones views. Remember the DEER HUNTER.
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette:
    In Response to Re: Russian Roulette : it was very clever teeks, but so is most of the thread! fwiw i see many top players in the allinones, without overlay, and myself included from time to time. and as already mentioned these are RRs in all but name, despite Teddys ill-fated attempt to convince us otherwise. i guess it's a little of the lottery mentality ie i can win a lot for only a small potential loss so i'll take the flip even though we know it is -ev. 
    Posted by GELDY

    aha - so it's a kiss from TK that peeps are playing for - why wasn't i aware of the extra value......

    In Response to Re: The £500,000 Sky Poker UK Poker Championships : Oh Wow! Budget qualifying at its best. A £1,100 UKPC Seat for £2.60, incredible! I do hope you enjoy the actual experience, too, you may be pleasantly surprised by who else is playing this Event, some serious "names", & not just from the poker world. Come & say hi before it starts, & I'll give you a big "good luck" kiss.
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