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An insight into low stakes Heads Up SNGS / Spin up from £50 playing anything...

bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
edited December 2013 in Poker Chat
Hello, I have recently started to get back to playing alot of poker and enjoy being involved in the community so have decided to get involved with writing about my efforts again. Some of you may recall my previous diary, this will be pretty similar except i am starting with a relatively small bankroll in relation to the stakes i play and will also try a bit more to post hands and get some discussion going.

I had a good few months of not really playing any poker, motivation completely dissapeared and i wasn't enjoying the game at all not entirely sure why, possibly due to change in life circumstances ( leaving uni, moving home etc) so my bankroll was withdrawn and pretty much wasted over the summer. Anyway fast foward a couple of months at the end of october i wanted to go out so decided to stick £25 in sky and win a few hu games to pay for it. Out of nowhere i was loving playing the game again and decided to stick with it, i went on a huge heater at first which probably helped bring the buzz back and eventually ended up grinding loads up to the end of november. My results were dissapointing, i was obviously rusty, struggling with tilt at times and generally not confident with the decisions i was making in game which i think is massively detrimental HU.

Over that time period i played 1249 games for a profit of £148, roi: 2.2% which added to rewards points ended as a £200 month which i would of snapped off when i started playing again, but in reflection the roi was very dissapointing when i know i am capable of much better. I tilted towards the end of the month and decided to exclude myself for a week chill out completely from poker except the odd bit of reading and video watching.

Anyway my exclusion ended yesterday and after some withdrawals i had £78, i decided that as soon as i span that up to £100 i would start a diary again. With the aim being for it improve my disicpline and also maybe get some input from some of the good HU players on the site, i never enjoyed having to write about losing +£100 at hypers or on cash when i used to write on here.

I'm currently working as a xmas temp 20 hours a week so have plenty of time for poker, just planning to get aload of volume in at £5.25 turbos, improve my roi and build a bankroll. Hopefully in the early stages of building a decent roll again i won't go bust.

Starting Bankroll: £102.33
Rewards: £1.36


When i update i will state as below starting from this post:
Games:
Profit:


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Comments

  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited December 2013
    Hey Ben,

    Good to see you back.

    All the best for the challenge will follow with interest, you had one of the best blogs on here.

    Look forward to hearing about your successes.
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Thanks Larson, i see you have been doing really well lately told you when we first started chatting you would be crushing in no time! lol Hopefully successes but either way will try to make it fairly interesting again Playing hundreds/thousands of HU games can drive you insane so i'm sure the posts will at least be varied. Already played one of the best HU players profit wise on the site twice today, enjoy our games but think i'd prefer a few donations rather than intense games whilst my roll is growing.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2013
    In Response to Re: An insight into low stakes Heads Up Grinding:
    Thanks Larson, i see you have been doing really well lately told you when we first started chatting you would be crushing in no time! lol Hopefully successes but either way will try to make it fairly interesting again Playing hundreds/thousands of HU games can drive you insane so i'm sure the posts will at least be varied. Already played one of the best HU players profit wise on the site twice today, enjoy our games but think i'd prefer a few donations rather than intense games whilst my roll is growing.
    Posted by benc
    Acegooner told me he was playing dyms today! ;)

    GL spinning up Ben. Can't see any reason why you wont do well.
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Cheers JJ my play was so hit or miss last month sometimes i felt i couldn't beat anyone so onfidence still isn't great, guess thats normal after a while of not playing plus having a small roll. Considering how much i played i barely saw Ace last month too busy crushing big buy in mtts and dyms these days?..
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited December 2013
    Nice one.

    Will read with interest.

    Good luck!
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    November Graph: As you can see massive heater at the start of the month then very frustrating from then on, tilt clearly played a big part.



    All time Heads up Graph:




  • QUICKFEETQUICKFEET Member Posts: 528
    edited December 2013
    Good to see you on the tables. We both seem to be £5.25 HU grinding at the moment

    I have started recording each game on a spreadsheet - whether I pushed or called at the deciding moment, whether I was favourite or under dog, what street it was and (most importantly) whether I won!

    Some games have more than 1 deciding moment of course

    Seems to be helping my discipline because I can clearly see if I keep making bad calls and has identified some areas for improvement which are going well (early days yet though)
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Thanks Quickfeet, hopefully wont be battling too much then! i have done similar in the past, it can definetly help you when your tilting to actually have to write down some of the stupid things you end up doing lol hope it continues to work for you.

    Today has been a good session, got some decent volume in which i'm happy with normally aim for 50 games when i have nout to do, 1 tabling for the forseeable future not ready to be multitabling HU whilst i'm having to get used to it all again and work on my game. I am a bit tilted because i had a spreadsheet tracking all the games i had played since i started the post and some hand IDs of spots i wasnt' sure about but my pc crashed so i lost that and also d/c from a game so was doubly annoyed, so i'll have to refer to scope for the days stats rather than from when i posted, and am going to review in a bit so will hopefully find a couple of hands worth posting up.

    08/12/2013 ( all 5.25 turbos, copied from scope)

    Games:53
    Profit: +£41.71
    Roi: 15%

    Bankroll: £130.33
    Rewards: £4.24





  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Okay managed too find the two hands i was going to post, not particularly interesting but both i was caught in two minds, i have never played this player before, only reads were that he was completing the sb rather than raising so maybe a rec player but would need more gametime to actually determine that. So based on general population tendencies i think i'm using that term in the right context, essentially what we would be expecting the average player to turn up with in these two situations.

    Okay so this one when he jams the river our hand obviously completely shrinks up, hoping to be up against top pair turned trips but seems unlikely seeing as he checked back flopped turn that he would have rivered trips, similarly if he has a set on flop or turn would expect more money to be in, all flushes beat us. Standard fold?
    X
    Small blind   10.00 10.00 950.00
    benc Big blind   20.00 30.00 1020.00
      Your hole cards
    • 2
    • 3
         
    X
    Call   10.00 40.00 940.00
    benc Check        
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 10
    • 7
         
    benc Check        
    X
    Check        
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    benc Bet   40.00 80.00 980.00
    X
    Call   40.00 120.00 900.00
    River
       
    • 10
         
    benc Bet   120.00 240.00 860.00
    X
    All-in   900.00 1140.00 0.00
    benc Call   780.00 1920.00 80.00

    This one i wasn't entirely sure what to do, my instincts said snap him off thinking he will turn up with aload of worse A's, heart draws- broadway draw? standard call pretty readless? any input would be great about either hand i am possibly overthinking some spots alot at the moment so would be interesting to hear whether people think these are both super standard decisions.
    x
    Small blind   10.00 10.00 990.00
    benc Big blind   20.00 30.00 980.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
         
    x
    Call   10.00 40.00 980.00
    benc Raise   40.00 80.00 940.00
    x
    Call   40.00 120.00 940.00
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 3
    • A
         
    benc Bet   90.00 210.00 850.00
    x
    Call   90.00 300.00 850.00
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    benc Bet   180.00 480.00 670.00
    x
    All-in   850.00 1330.00 0.00
               
               
               

               
               
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Undone yesterdays good work today across two sessions, similarly to last months pattern of either doing very well and feeling like its an easy game, to feeling like i can't beat even the worst of players. There is obviously a massive leak somewhere when things are not running smoothly where i'm jsut donating rather than limiting losses or grinding out a small win, possibly a mentality thing but i'm hoping by posting some hands, reviewing each sessions i can turn that around and gain some consistency.

    I played some games after work, and some more after i played badminton and wen't running, tiredness could possibly be affecting my game but i didn't feel tilted at any point playing today just gradually as the games went on lost confidence with what i was doing, started making mistakes, calling off when they had the nuts, bluffing when they were trapping etc. Either way i should not be having 8 bi swings up and down every session really so really hope by the end of the month i will have spotted some leaks and developed a better mindset.

    Today

    Games:20
    Profit: -£45


    Overall since 08/12/13

    Games:73
    Profit: £-3.32
    Roi:-0.08%


    Bankroll: £85.33
    Rewards:
    £4.84
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    First hand i put down to look at: is this just plain awful? feel like i should of b/f the river, managed to convince myself they were on a 1 card flush draw when they minbet flop and check back turn, assuming that if they flopped flush or turned straight they would look to eek a bit of value on turn, giving them too much credit? was early on and no notes, anyway i felt like the river was was massively polarized between straight and missed flush and made the call, looking back i think it's a stupid call in the early levels feel feel to criticize i'm hoping to be ripped apart in a few hands so i can improve, clearly see where i'm going wrong.
    kezzzz Small blind   15.00 15.00 905.00
    benc Big blind   30.00 45.00 1050.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • 4
         
    kezzzz Call   15.00 60.00 890.00
    benc Check        
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 8
    • 9
         
    benc Check        
    kezzzz Bet   30.00 90.00 860.00
    benc Raise   120.00 210.00 930.00
    kezzzz Call   90.00 300.00 770.00
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    benc Check        
    kezzzz Check        
    River
       
    • 3
         
    benc Check        
    kezzzz Bet   300.00 600.00 470.00
    benc Call   300.00 900.00 630.00
    kezzzz Show
    • 7
    • 9
         
    benc Muck
    • J
    • 4
         
    kezzzz Win Two Pairs, 9s and 7s 900.00   1370.00
    This one i think is awful in reflection, don't think i have a raise fold in me so should just flat? everything gets there and i'm only really being called by better right? think i can chalk this off as bad play.
    benc Small blind   15.00 15.00 1090.00
    JamesI Big blind   30.00 45.00 865.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 9
         
    benc Raise   45.00 90.00 1045.00
    JamesI Call   30.00 120.00 835.00
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 5
    • J
         
    JamesI Check        
    benc Bet   60.00 180.00 985.00
    JamesI Call   60.00 240.00 775.00
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    JamesI Check        
    benc Bet   120.00 360.00 865.00
    JamesI Call   120.00 480.00 655.00
    River
       
    • 9
         
    JamesI Bet   195.00 675.00 460.00
    benc All-in   865.00 1540.00 0.00
    JamesI All-in   460.00 2000.00 0.00
    benc Unmatched bet   210.00 1790.00 210.00
    benc Show
    • Q
    • 9
         
    JamesI Show
    • 10
    • 7
         
    JamesI Win Flush to the Jack 1790.00   1790.00
    Check back okay here or should i be value betting, was starting to get a bit worried of being jammed over after constantly running into the top of end oppos range in other games so not sure. Check back seems fine to me though?
    benc Small blind   10.00 10.00 950.00
    jchandler4 Big blind   20.00 30.00 1020.00
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 9
         
    benc Raise   30.00 60.00 920.00
    jchandler4 Raise   60.00 120.00 960.00
    benc Call   40.00 160.00 880.00
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 3
    • 7
         
    jchandler4 Bet   60.00 220.00 900.00
    benc Raise   140.00 360.00 740.00
    jchandler4 Call   80.00 440.00 820.00
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    jchandler4 Check        
    benc Bet   240.00 680.00 500.00
    jchandler4 Call   240.00 920.00 580.00
    River
       
    • 6
         
    jchandler4 Check        
    benc Check        
    jchandler4 Show
    • 9
    • K
         
    benc Show
    • 7
    • 9
         
    benc Win Two Pairs, 9s and 7s 920.00   1420.00
    This one i'm really not sure, i still feel it's okay but really not sure, i suppose i'm only getting called when i'm beating and folding out alot of the 1 pair hands that i'm looking to get a bit more value from, too greedy? too big a bet? raising here albeit smaller is right though?
    MICWILS Small blind   15.00 15.00 835.00
    benc Big blind   30.00 45.00 1120.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 10
         
    MICWILS Call   15.00 60.00 820.00
    benc Check        
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • A
    • 5
         
    benc Check        
    MICWILS Bet   60.00 120.00 760.00
    benc Call   60.00 180.00 1060.00
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    benc Check        
    MICWILS Bet   135.00 315.00 625.00
    benc Call   135.00 450.00 925.00
    River
       
    • Q
         
    benc Check        
    MICWILS Bet   225.00 675.00 400.00
    benc All-in   925.00 1600.00 0.00
    MICWILS All-in   400.00 2000.00 0.00
    benc Unmatched bet   300.00 1700.00 300.00
    MICWILS Show
    • 2
    • A
         
    benc Show
    • Q
    • 10
         
    MICWILS Win Two Pairs, Aces and 2s 1700.00   1700.00
    This was towards the end of the session, just couldn't find the bet fold even though when he min-raises her its just always going to be destroying me. Thought 'd post it anyway, leading into him on each street okay?
    orient4601 Small blind   10.00 10.00 990.00
    benc Big blind   20.00 30.00 980.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 8
         
    orient4601 Call   10.00 40.00 980.00
    benc Check        
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 10
    • 3
         
    benc Bet   40.00 80.00 940.00
    orient4601 Call   40.00 120.00 940.00
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    benc Bet   120.00 240.00 820.00
    orient4601 Call   120.00 360.00 820.00
    River
       
    • 2
         
    benc Bet   360.00 720.00 460.00
    orient4601 Raise   720.00 1440.00 100.00
    benc All-in   460.00 1900.00 0.00
    orient4601 All-in   100.00 2000.00 0.00
    orient4601 Show
    • J
    • 6
         
    benc Show
    • 10
    • 8
         
    orient4601 Win Flush to the King 2000.00   2000.00

  • TREMAYNETREMAYNE Member Posts: 432
    edited December 2013

    Now your roll is below £100. £5.25 games are over 5%
    MAYBE you should think about dropping to £2.10 games

  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited December 2013
    Hi benc. I don't really play HU these days much but still think I know enough about it to try and offer some advice!

    Hand 1: I really don't like the flop raise here. We have a weak top pair hand and on a really dangerous board. Even a pair + FD or FD + straight draw is a favourite over your hand here (villain in this hand with 79 actually has 58% equity) so we've ended up putting more money in on the flop as an underdog. And we are crushed vs any made hand villain might have. Also, if we are massively ahead here (say against A5 with no FD) then we have nothing much to protect against + villain just folds to the c/r anyway. I think best play here is calling flop and possibly raising a weak turn bet from villain on a safe card for us. It's much better for us to put money in on the turn since we now have much more equity against any of villains FD hands. As played I don't hate a river call but think folding might be slightly better.

    Hand 2: Seems fine actually. Looks more like a blocker bet than a flush. 

    Hand 3: Could go for a really small value bet but if you don't know what to do if you are faced with a shove then checking back is fine aswell.

    Hand 4: Seems fine.

    Hand 5: I would bet smaller OTR. The flush will probably hit villain somewhat often. As played it's a fold - he's not shoving worse for value and I can't see what bluffs he has (nor would I expect someone to bluff shove river with little fold equity after being potted into) - Since you did go with it I would also just flat though instead of shove the remaining 100 in. Yes, it's not fun being down to 100 chips but chip and a chair and all that. Three double ups and your right back in it!
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Thanks  F_Ivanovic, it's just good to see another perspective on all the hands, maybe being too results oriented on hands 2 and 4, hand 5 i hate my call in reflection effectively just chucking the rest of my chips in and surrending the game suppose that was just tilt setting in before the e, enjoying your diary by the way.

    @Tremayne thanks for the input, i'm going to be using aggressive bankroll management, so much so that i wouldn't consider dropping to 2s untill i was around the 40 mark. I understand the risks of me going bust are high this way, but the way i see it is if i go bust i'm not down long term in the game anyway it would just be a setback, i have proven i can beat these games just need to hope variance isn't too cruel early on and i can build what would be considered a more suitable roll for playing 5s.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,881
    edited December 2013

    Morning Ben,

    Just seen this - good luck!
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Thanks Tikay.

    Today was much better than yesterday, lost 4 of the firast 5 games but was comfortable that i wasn't making mistakes so grinded through and managed to turn a profit. Only managed to squeeze 18 games in today as had work then football this evening, i plan to hit about 200+ by sunday evening. I will be posting hands constantly in this thread just for self improvement purposes really, just writing about the hands i posted yesterday was good for me i think, i like to hear various perspectives about hands regardless of ability level as it gives an insight into different thinking processes.

    No specific targets at the moment, just set on building a roll, would be nice to try and hit an 8%+ after 500 games but after last month and my inconsistent form that may be a bit optimistic.

    Today

    Games:18
    Profit: +£15.50


    Overall since 08/12/13

    Games:91
    Profit: £12.17
    Roi: 2.6%


    Bankroll: £100.83
    Rewards:
    £5.38




  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    This hand i made a bit of a sigh call, not sure how bad it is? it didn't feel like the 5 could of made that much of a difference the way the hand played out, didn't think he had any Ax hands in his range limping as he was 2x and 3xing his better hands, felt maybe a random two pair Q hand which he would raise for value on the river are we beating enough hands on the river he could be raising for value if we are ruling Ax hands out?
    x
    Small blind   10.00 10.00 990.00
    benc Big blind   20.00 30.00 980.00
      Your hole cards
    • 2
    • K
         
    x
    Call   10.00 40.00 980.00
    benc Check        
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • Q
    • A
         
    benc Check        
    x
    Check        
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    benc Bet   40.00 80.00 940.00
    x
    Call   40.00 120.00 940.00
    River
       
    • 5
         
    benc Bet   140.00 260.00 800.00
    x
    Raise   400.00 660.00 540.00
    benc Call   260.00 920.00 540.00
    x
    Show
    • 3
    • 4
         
    benc Muck
    • 2
    • K
         
    x
    Win Straight to the 5 920.00   1460.00
    This hand again i make a sigh call, again with oppo check calling two streets then leading out i never feel comfortble with top pair , could it could be a blocker bet with worse As?  although saying that he probably raises me with an A on earlier streets. i felt like i was getting good odds to just flat but it's such a horrid river and i have notes on him being tight, that maybe it's always a lay down with just the one pair? I seem to be getting owned on the river constantly so want to establish whether this is clearly a leak or i'm just running into top end of oppos range, i still feel like the flat isn't too awful seeing as i'm getting like 4.5/1 on the call ? although i guess with reads of him being tight he is probably not showing up with worse with a river lead out even once like  5 times.
    benc Small blind   10.00 10.00 990.00
    x
    Big blind   20.00 30.00 980.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
         
    benc Raise   30.00 60.00 960.00
    x
    Call   20.00 80.00 960.00
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • A
    • Q
         
    x
    Check        
    benc Bet   60.00 140.00 900.00
    x
    Call   60.00 200.00 900.00
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    x
    Check        
    benc Bet   145.00 345.00 755.00
    x
    Call   145.00 490.00 755.00
    River
       
    • 10
         
    x
    Bet   180.00 670.00 575.00
    benc Call   180.00 850.00 575.00
    x
    Show
    • Q
    • 10
         
    benc Muck
    • J
    • A
         
    x
    Win Two Pairs, Queens and 10s 850.00   1425.00
    Not sure why i noted this down to put in, think it's always a snap call possibly just confidence issues related to always feeling if i get check called two streets and jammed into i'm never good with out 2nd nuts plus, but i don't need to be told this would be a ridiculous lay down. Also is my best on the turn too small? should i be charging draws more? maybe like 210?  But yeah i can never fold here right got way to many Ax and missed flush/straight draws in his range.
    benc Small blind   15.00 15.00 1005.00
    x
    Big blind   30.00 45.00 950.00
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • 5
         
    benc Raise   45.00 90.00 960.00
    x
    Call   30.00 120.00 920.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 9
    • 5
         
    x
    Check        
    benc Bet   90.00 210.00 870.00
    x
    Call   90.00 300.00 830.00
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    x
    Check        
    benc Bet   150.00 450.00 720.00
    x
    Call   150.00 600.00 680.00
    River
       
    • A
         
    x
    All-in   680.00 1280.00 0.00
    benc Call   680.00 1960.00 40.00
    benc Show
    • 5
    • 5
         
    x
    Show
    • J
    • 7
         
    benc Win Three 5s 1960.00   2000.00
  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited December 2013
    Hi benc, cant compete with mr ivanovic's input, but if you're ok getting advice from a micros donk:

    Hand 1 id lead with a fairly chunky bet. Flop hits a limping range and theres lots of hands wr can get value from.

    Hand 3 is player dependent, lots of players wouldnt dream of checking a nutted hand here. If youre disciplined enough to bet fold then do so. Im not canny enough in these spots yet.

    QTo id be looking to iso raise v a limp. It flops well and can dominate a decent portion of a likely limp call range. Would have made the hand easier to play at least.


  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2013
    Any input is good Teddy regardless of level/ability, i think i have seen a few posts from you saying you play a fair bit of HU at the micros so as i say is good to get another perspective on hands.

    Hand 1 when you lead with a chunky bet, would you be overbetting or just going for pot (60) in which case if they flat what do we do on the turn to what is one of the cards we don't really want to see c/f b/f bet for value etc?

    Q10 didn't even think about the iso, but yeah you are right i'm kind of guessing on each street and if i had taken the initative i may have given him more credit if he had flatted a large raise and shown interest in the pot, possibly raised me on flop or turn.

    Any input on the hands i just posted would be great as well, also feel free to post any interesting hands in here if you play alot of HU.
  • TeddyBloatTeddyBloat Member Posts: 1,419
    edited December 2013
    Mainly play hypers played over 1000 at the £1 level been at the £2 for about a month with mixed results, graph points the right way though. Lots to learn and feel like ive hit a plateau, so will definately chip in this thread. Be good to see the thinking behind better players decisions. 


    1 I like leading when we hit our 2x 3x in these limped pots. Any time we get folds its great for us as our opponent is definately surrendering a ton of equity.  Its usually awkward on Ax2 flops as villains usually have more aces than I do in limped pots. Here though villain doesnt have many aces so I think leading flop does well. River is horrible as if hes usually raising high cards and pairs pre  its hard to put him on a hand that beats us. Id call.

    2 Its always awkward when people donk out on the river as so many people cant bear to check when they make a hand on the river.however, just as many people will block bet their weak aces and even queens at my level. Call is fine v a good portion of the populationin my games  and given the odds laid id call. If we start  folding top pair to small river leads we are going to be bossed around too much, or is that not relevant?
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