In Response to Re: donky alert! : who said anything about abuse??? dont comment if your going to make a massive deal about it all i asked is advise for playing against bingo players Posted by hahagutted
"Idiot""donky" "maniac" "bingo players" and apparently all the table agreed.
You've posted these comments on an open forum after having had time to cool down.
Now forgive me for being a little sceptical but I doubt you and the other players said "ooh, you got a little luck there old chap, nice hand" when the hand just finished.
Simple answer is nothing much you can do (apart from leave the table) It might be the way he plays or that some people like a gamble... and to be to be honest I have no problem with these guys and you shouldn't really. If a guy is re raising your big hands its happy days... and even more happy days if he's doing it with rubbish cards You were just unlucky the time you had QQ he actually had a hand... Saying all that I can be a bit of a hypocrite because I hate calling stations... A guy can shove all in vs me pre flop with any two card and win and I wont mind but if he calls me down with rags and hits I fume haha I seem to be able to deal with all in opponents better than calling stations... End of the day you want to play your big hands vs both... you just need to remember its cards and anything can happen (which is hard) :-) Posted by ClintonH83
thanks, for that its nice that someone can acctually try and give some advice not tell me im wrong and im a donkey meself when the only reason they are doin that is becasue they have no advice themselfs
In Response to Re: donky alert! : "Idiot""donky" "maniac" "bingo players" and apparently all the table agreed. You've posted these comments on an open forum after having had time to cool down. Now forgive me for being a little sceptical but I doubt you and the other players said "ooh, you got a little luck there old chap, nice hand" when the hand just finished. Posted by Jac35
no but i never abused him at the table, and i wouldent class these words as abuse
just been reading through anouther similar post and the community on here all seem to be the same all talk the talk but never give any real answers, im goin back on stars anyway less donkeys there
The term donkey is (certainly in poker) a pejorative term, so your opening post wasn't a simple question. It was - in essence - an attack on another player you didn't know how to handle.
just been reading through anouther similar post and the community on here all seem to be the same all talk the talk but never give any real answers, im goin back on stars anyway less donkeys there Posted by hahagutted
So, you`re returning to a site with a better standard of player and make loads of cash??
Brilliant strategy there fella.....
Think you`ve made a bit of an @ss of yourself with this thread,
1. Play with a tighter opening range. 3. Value bet more. 3. If possible move to his left. 4. Don't compromise your own capital because you're desperate to get paid. Posted by ff55hh
Hi haha,
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... a few things tho:
-- You did get a helpful comment. see the above. essentially against nutters, you need to open tighter, and call 3bets lighter. your hands will also increase in strength relative to their strength against a "normal" opponent. so, for example, you might choose to value bet 2nd pair on the river, rather than check it back, or call a bet on the river with A high. If he really does 3bet every hand, then you should probably only play hands you are happy to 4bet or call a 3bet with. all of the above is alot easier when you are in position.
-- never comment on other peoples play whilst at the table. There are soooo many reasons...this is why you have alot of slightly hostile replies. so...reasons you shouldn't comment on other peoples play:
1) you will offend people. Do you really want to only play against good players?? if you make other worse p[layers feel negatively about playing with you, or on the site, they will stop...and you will be left playing better players than you with even less chance of winning.
2) you may alert someone to a mistake they are playing. So not only are you offending poeple, you are giving them a free lesson on poker, again making the game tougher to beat
3) you look like a t.wat to all the other players on the table. Even if they say nothing, they are all wishing you would shut up.
4) who are you to comment on how people should be playing. its their money, they can do what they want to with it.
just so you know, fish, bingo player etc etc are offensive. Of course they are...would you like to be called a fish at the table? or have your p;lay disected by the other people at the table whilst they all agree how bad it was? regardless whether you would care or not, the guy you were talking about could have been new to the game and just wanted to have a bit of fun whilst he lost his £200 a month. Your unpleasent comments could scare him away from poker forever. so that would be £200 less a month the winning players will benefit from.
This is one of the things being blamed for the decline in new players playing the game, and the decline of the game in general.
dont be a part of it, and discourage others from it too
In all honesty, though, if your opponent was playing lots of hands - raising, 3-betting or 4-betting - the only thing that dictates whether he was a poor player or not is whether he was getting away with it. If he kept being caught out and was losing a ton of money, yet still didn't change his ways, clearly he wasn't very good. On the other hand, if you and the other players were letting him get away with it and he was making money out of you, then he was probably playing very well.
The fact he had shown down 82, 75 or whatever is neither here nor there. If he had adapted to his opposition better than they had to him, then he would have been the stronger player. Hand strength is frequently irrelevant in poker.
As he only got all his money in with a premium hand, it would suggest he was actually exploiting his image. In other words, you believed he was a donkey because you didn't understand what he was doing.
Your description is hardly a complete one, so it may just be that he was clueless about how he was playing. The limited information you've given would suggest otherwise, though.
I deduce that OP was getting owned by an aggro oppo, then got the money in with QQ vs said Mr Aggro's AK (about as standard as it gets), and is annoyed that Mr Aggro actually turns up with a hand and spikes a K. Then comes on here whining because he can't beat ''donkey, bingo'' players?
This "donkey" wasn't me, was he? lol In all honesty, though, if your opponent was playing lots of hands - raising, 3-betting or 4-betting - the only thing that dictates whether he was a poor player or not is whether he was getting away with it. If he kept being caught out and was losing a ton of money, yet still didn't change his ways, clearly he wasn't very good. On the other hand, if you and the other players were letting him get away with it and he was making money out of you, then he was probably playing very well. The fact he had shown down 82, 75 or whatever is neither here nor there. If he had adapted to his opposition better than they had to him, then he would have been the stronger player. Hand strength is frequently irrelevant in poker. As he only got all his money in with a premium hand, it would suggest he was actually exploiting his image. In other words, you believed he was a donkey because you didn't understand what he was doing. Your description is hardly a complete one, so it may just be that he was clueless about how he was playing. The limited information you've given would suggest otherwise, though. Posted by BorinLoner
This post is very solid and sums it up perfectly. It looks like OP got mind shafted to me.
The standard on Stars is way higher than on SKY. A decent portion of players will be using HUD's, will have a higher 3-bet % and higher VPIP. Not long back i saw a players stats were he was running at +16/100bb over 250,000 hands with VPIP 33, and a 10% 3-bet frequency @nl50$. So OP will just be jumping out the frying pan into the fire imo.
hi everyone, just a quick question, earlier i was playing on a cash game 10p 20p stakes sitting with £20 and somone came and sat down and begin to raise EVERY hand and just 3 bet everytime you raised, i ended up picking up QQ so i 4 bet pre and it was no shock they jammed, i snapped and they had AK and hit a K this always seems to be the case why do donkeys always get paid? i would like to hear your thoughts or advice on how you would deal with someone like this without standing? I AM NOT SAYING THIS GUY IS A DONKY BECAUSE OF THE AK QQ HAND JUST THE FACT HE WANTS TO GET IT IN EVERY HAND REGARDLES OF HIS HAND! Posted by hahagutted
Hi mate,
Sounds like it was a good aggro player and they were owning the table.
It's just hard to deal with this type of player, from what you are saying he sounds like a really strong player.
It's frustrating and difficult playing against this type of player, especially if they are running good.
haha the sky community in force stick together, really all this time n arguments because i asked how do you play someone who is playing every hand...whats funny is you all defend the way he played amd try to give explinations why its right! good luck to you all ...donkeys
In Response to Re: donky alert! : omg this is so fustrating to get accross he was playing bingo not poker i caught him out about 3 times before he was showing 57 off n 82 and things like that raising or 3 betting with them EVERY...single hand he was far from a poker player, if you think there is nothing wrong with his game then good luck in your poker career Posted by hahagutted
There's lots of different poker styles. He was obviously a LAG, and typically broad rules apply (loose player-tighten range. Tight player- widen range). Also typically LAG's get paid when they hit big hands because nobody gives their raises any credit. Sounds to me like you fell into his trap and are not happy about it.
In Response to Re: donky alert! : So, you`re returning to a site with a better standard of player and make loads of cash?? Brilliant strategy there fella..... Think you`ve made a bit of an @ss of yourself with this thread, Gl against Ivey and the boys. Posted by davelufc
i have cashed ALOT more on there probebly because people play better (like you said)
the only reason i came to this site is because of the t.v stuff and new software ive won a couple of bh tournys so its not like im a loosing player,
What i love about this subject is the hypocrisy with it all... Your playing a game trying to decieve your opponents and take their money but call them a donk and your a bas tard! Hahaha
While at the tables you must not comment on how people play or call them a fish/donk because its not right and bad poker ethics but in the forums do and say what you want...
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If you'd posted "how do you play maniacs" you would have got better responses.
The term donkey is (certainly in poker) a pejorative term, so your opening post wasn't a simple question. It was - in essence - an attack on another player you didn't know how to handle.
Brilliant strategy there fella.....
Think you`ve made a bit of an @ss of yourself with this thread,
Gl against Ivey and the boys.
In all honesty, though, if your opponent was playing lots of hands - raising, 3-betting or 4-betting - the only thing that dictates whether he was a poor player or not is whether he was getting away with it. If he kept being caught out and was losing a ton of money, yet still didn't change his ways, clearly he wasn't very good. On the other hand, if you and the other players were letting him get away with it and he was making money out of you, then he was probably playing very well.
The fact he had shown down 82, 75 or whatever is neither here nor there. If he had adapted to his opposition better than they had to him, then he would have been the stronger player. Hand strength is frequently irrelevant in poker.
As he only got all his money in with a premium hand, it would suggest he was actually exploiting his image. In other words, you believed he was a donkey because you didn't understand what he was doing.
Your description is hardly a complete one, so it may just be that he was clueless about how he was playing. The limited information you've given would suggest otherwise, though.
He aw He aw He always calls me that !
If you want to avoid the donkeys go play some 200nl, see how you get on
xx
The standard on Stars is way higher than on SKY. A decent portion of players will be using HUD's, will have a higher 3-bet % and higher VPIP. Not long back i saw a players stats were he was running at +16/100bb over 250,000 hands with VPIP 33, and a 10% 3-bet frequency @nl50$. So OP will just be jumping out the frying pan into the fire imo.
Sounds like it was a good aggro player and they were owning the table.
It's just hard to deal with this type of player, from what you are saying he sounds like a really strong player.
It's frustrating and difficult playing against this type of player, especially if they are running good.