well im doubting this is going to change is it so its going to be awesome watching myself freefall down the PS4 promo board along with every other SNG/DYM player that has worked hard to try and secure a freeroll seat at best .
its either that or play cash games where we are likely to blow our whole bankrolls because we will be forced to try and hold our positions on the leaderboard playing games we are not comfortable in , either way we are going to suffer .
well im doubting this is going to change is it so its going to be awesome watching myself freefall down the PS4 promo board along with every other SNG/DYM player that has worked hard to try and secure a freeroll seat at best . its either that or play cash games where we are likely to blow our whole bankrolls because we will be forced to try and hold our positions on the leaderboard playing games we are not comfortable in , either way we are going to suffer . fantastic sky , cheers !! Posted by TheRevenge
How are you so worse off when you get 10 points per £1 rake and cash players during happy days will get 9 points.
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : I don't really understand why if your paying £1 in rake you are getting more points for MTT/SNG games than you do for cash. Think the happy hours do nothing but insult cash players inteligience, where wow cash players get 9 points. Think sky should overhual the whole thing and just level it out before 10,000 points and give everyone the same amount of points per £1 rake. Maybe it's just Sky incentive to get more SNG/MTT players on the site, surely rake is rake! £1 will always be just £1. So why are cash players at such a disadvantage. for example I play 6-8 tables of nl20 and say I get 250 points for 3-4 hours play. I could play for two hours £22 DYM's playing the same amount of tables and get 250 points. You see! Posted by rancid
I agree same rake and same points per rake! If sky change the sng/mtt rake to the same as the cash rake of 7.5% they can keep their points if it makes it easier
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : How are you so worse off when you get 10 points per £1 rake and cash players during happy days will get 9 points. Still makes you 1 point better off my friend Posted by rancid
your point is valid but it does not work out quite as easy as that does it because you can rake way more than £1 in the time it takes for an SNG , if it did work out that we were always 1 point better off there would be some SNG/DYM grinders in with a shot of the top10 but as it is we hardly break the top30 and have very little chance of doing so !!
Frankly, the fairest way of dealing with this is to split the prizepool, and have two different leaderboards, one for points accumulated on cash tables and one for points accumulated on sng and mtts etc. This could, of course, have been done from the outset and deal with it as two separate promotions. On other sites that I play on, they separate these kind of promotions to avoid unfairness. Let's hope Sky will rethink future promotions of this kind.
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : your point is valid but it does not work out quite as easy as that does it because you can rake way more than £1 in the time it takes for an SNG , if it did work out that we were always 1 point better off there would be some SNG/DYM grinders in with a shot of the top10 but as it is we hardly break the top30 and have very little chance of doing so !! Posted by TheRevenge
On average a DYM takes about 45 minutes, if you played a £220 DYM you would get 200 points.
If you was to play nl200 for 45 minutes, you would have to pay £33 in rake to get 200 points.
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so £22 DYM = 20 points
nl20 = £3.30 in rake to get 20 points in 45 minutes
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rake is 5% of pot so you would need to be in a total of £70 worth of pots Being involved in £70 worth of pots is just not possible for every £20 we put in the pot we get raked £1.....so it kinda equats to 3 all in's with in an hour also if pot is +£36 max rake is £1.80
Rake levels: Above 5p/10p
Number of Players
Maximum Rake % per Pot
Maximum Rake per Pot
2
5% of the pot*
£1.00
3+
5% of the pot*
£1.80
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£0.20
£0.01
£0.40
£0.02
£0.60
£0.03
£0.80
£0.04
£1.00
£0.05
£2.00
£0.10
£3.00
£0.15
£6.00
£0.30
£9.00
£0.45
£12.00
£0.60
£15.00
£0.75
£18.00
£0.90
£21.00
£1.05
£24.00
£1.20
£27.00
£1.35
£30.00
£1.50
£33.00
£1.65
£36.00+
£1.80
some of the above may not be 100% accurate but...
What are you saying!
look example
£1 contributed in rake = 6 Poker Points earned.
For example: Richard and Adam are playing in a pot. Richard has contributed £1.60 in rake, Adam has contributed 50p. Richard would earn 9.6 Poker Points, Adam would earn 3 Poker Points.
Anyway....
As MTT's take a lot longer then they should receive higher points but short games like DYM's for example should come down in points.
So .... I think it should be more balanced structure where points are distributed fairly.
I think MTT's players are the worst hit, they should shouting up as to why it's so unfair that they don't get more points than SNG players!
Reagrding the Happy days promo, all round it's bad timing to put it at the end of another promo. Not fair for everybody concerned.
Looking at this from a mutual ( if thats the right word) point of view it does seem harsh on the STT/DYM grinders going for the PS4
I think the whole "points between rake for cash and STT,s " is irrelevant in this case as the OP is just eluding to this particular rake race where it wasn,t stated anywhere on the t,c and c,s that one variant of the game would be givem its own point booster promo in the last week of the month which of course will count toward the PS4 race.
I,m sure if the points boost had applied to STT/DYM players there would be a lot of unhappy cash players today
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : On average a DYM takes about 45 minutes, if you played a £220 DYM you would get 200 points. If you was to play nl200 for 45 minutes, you would have to pay £33 in rake to get 200 points. --- so £22 DYM = 20 points nl20 = £3.30 in rake to get 20 points in 45 minutes -- rake is 5% of pot so you would need to be in a total of £70 worth of pots Being involved in £70 worth of pots is just not possible Rake levels: Above 5p/10p Number of Players Maximum Rake % per Pot Maximum Rake per Pot 2 5% of the pot* £1.00 3+ 5% of the pot* £1.80 -- some of the above may not be 100% accurate but... What are you saying! Posted by rancid
tell me where all the SNG/DYM grinders are then , across the whole site there must be a few decent grinders that should be breaking top30 in that PS4 leaderboard but there is not as far im aware so it just goes to prove that cash games are favored for points one way or another and this weekends added promo is just gonna send us down the leaderboard faster than ever .
anyway im done with this now , its clear to me cash game players are the high priority here with very little concern for sng so i cant see me hanging round for much longer if i get blown away in the PS4 leaderboard which is likely to happen this weekend .
good luck to the sng players that are clinging on for there life in the leaderboard because your going to need it .
Thought this would be a great promotion...until I read it was cash only.
Still from Sky's point of view they make the most money from cash so you have to expect them to reward these players more. I agree with people saying it's strange timing with the PS4 Promo closing.
DYMers can definitely earn points a lot faster at similar BI levels (although BI wise its hard/impossible to compare like for like), that's why some people like Donk specifically switched to DYMs this month cos they knew they'd get more points.
That said, its irrelevant because going into the promo everyone knewhow things stood RE: earning points, now its changed.
I know Sky do loads of promos and they seem to be quite dynamic about it but imo they just need to shift the dates they plan things I.e. pretty much every promo should be announced 2-4 weeks earlier than they currently are and avoid things like this.
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : tell me where all the SNG/DYM grinders are then , across the whole site there must be a few decent grinders that should be breaking top30 in that PS4 leaderboard but there is not as far im aware so it just goes to prove that cash games are favored for points one way or another and this weekends added promo is just gonna send us down the leaderboard faster than ever . anyway im done with this now , its clear to me cash game players are the high priority here with very little concern for sng so i cant see me hanging round for much longer if i get blown away in the PS4 leaderboard which is likely to happen this weekend . good luck to the sng players that are clinging on for there life in the leaderboard because your going to need it . Posted by TheRevenge
I think there just isnt many "grinders" that put in big volume in DYM's... it is definately possible to be in the top 20 playing just DYMs. 6 tables of £22 DYMs for 5 hrs a day would give you around 16k points and thats even with 3 days off. enough for top 20.
I expect alot of the cash game grinders in the top 20 are doing very similar volume...and have similar points.
At first glance it did look unfair that cash game players get the happy happy days...but it doesnt seem all that bad the more I think about it. No one is stopping you from playing cash either... probably part of a clever ploy from SKY to get MTT/SNG grinders to give cash a go.
Someone ask Devonfish how many point he used to make playing DYM's. See if it is possible for a DYM player to crack the top 10 of the PS4 leaderboard. As for the promotion, it doesn't affect me as I rarely play cash and I'm not involved in the PS4 race. It does seem bad timing unless Sky are planning something similar for Mtt/Stt players before the promotion ends
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : tell me where all the SNG/DYM grinders are then , across the whole site there must be a few decent grinders that should be breaking top30 in that PS4 leaderboard but there is not as far im aware so it just goes to prove that cash games are favored for points one way or another and this weekends added promo is just gonna send us down the leaderboard faster than ever . anyway im done with this now , its clear to me cash game players are the high priority here with very little concern for sng so i cant see me hanging round for much longer if i get blown away in the PS4 leaderboard which is likely to happen this weekend . good luck to the sng players that are clinging on for there life in the leaderboard because your going to need it . Posted by TheRevenge
Overall you will find the people at the top are either high stakes cash or high stakes SNG grinders, because they paying more in rake per hour. If this site had lots of action at the high end of DYM/SNG's then I am 100% confident SNG grinders would be top of the leaderboard. The fact is this site has not enough traffic for SNG's for that to ever happen.
You need to compare the two, cash and SNG at the same level playing for the same amount of time and same amount of tables to get any idea how fair or not the system is bro.
strange timing too announce this at this stage of the promotion.I can see both sides point as if you are a dym player it does seem like extra help for cash players but then as a couple of people have pointed out cash players get less points per pound compared too dym/mtt players so really it is all swings and roundabouts.
Not exactly fair on the sng players who have been grinding all month trying to get into the ps4 leaderboard is it? I'm not even close to getting on to the leaderboard but i know a few fellas on the sng tables who have been grinding like mad and i dont think this is fair at all. Posted by jdsallstar
To go back to the original post.
The timing is just really bad. It smacks of greed. Whilst many cash players are putting in extra hours Sky have decided to get them playing around the clock with this promotion.
Short term it's great for them. They make loads.
Long term it's dreadful. People attracted to the site for this promotion will most likely think they've been misled. It looks amateurish to move the goal posts 3 weeks in.
These new players to the site will be gone at the end of the month and are hardly likely to recommend Sky to others.
It's a big shame as the promotion was excellent. A real win-win. Sky made shedloads of rake for the relatively small outlay in the PS4's. The players have a great incentive to put in the extra hours.
In Response to Re: Happy Days Promotion : so £22 DYM = 20 points nl20 = £3.30 in rake to get 20 points in 45 minutes -- rake is 5% of pot so you would need to be in a total of £70 worth of pots Posted by rancid
You're thinking about this the wrong way round imo - rake is the most important factor.
as you say a £22 pays £2 rake and gets 20 points
A cash player in order to pay £2 rake has to be involved in £40 worth of pots.
In other words the cash player can put £40 at risk to pay £2 rake whereas the sng player has to risk to £20 to pay the same rake.
to show it another way say both players put £20 at risk:
SNG: rake: £2, points 20, value of points (@2p per point) = 40p. Therefore net rake of £1.60
Cash: rake = £1 points 6, value of points (@2p per point) = 12p. Therefore net rake of 88p.
So they both gamble £20 but sng player pays £1.60 in rake whereas a cash player pays 88p.
Also this 88p is probably lower in a lot of cases as pots are capped when calculating rake
I'm pretty sure BLADES849 is a SNG / DYM grinder and he seems to be doing alrite. They're 5th on the leaderboard now and have been consistent throughout the whole promo, so it's obv possible.
I'm not complaining but I defo agree it's bad timing to be introducing this promo and i'm a cash player.
I have grinded my as5 off playing more DYM's than ever to try and stay in the top 50........this cash promo will prob end any chance of me staying in the top 50.
GG sky!!! No matter what way you look at it they have given cash players an unfair advantage here, such a farce!!! (again)!
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How are you so worse off when you get 10 points per £1 rake and cash players during happy days will get 9 points.
Still makes you 1 point better off my friend
On average a DYM takes about 45 minutes, if you played a £220 DYM you would get 200 points.
If you was to play nl200 for 45 minutes, you would have to pay £33 in rake to get 200 points.
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so £22 DYM = 20 points
nl20 = £3.30 in rake to get 20 points in 45 minutes
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rake is 5% of pot so you would need to be in a total of £70 worth of pots
Being involved in £70 worth of pots is just not possible
for every £20 we put in the pot we get raked £1.....so it kinda equats to 3 all in's with in an hour
also if pot is +£36 max rake is £1.80
Rake levels: Above 5p/10p
What are you saying!
look example
For example: Richard and Adam are playing in a pot. Richard has contributed £1.60 in rake, Adam has contributed 50p. Richard would earn 9.6 Poker Points, Adam would earn 3 Poker Points.
Anyway....As MTT's take a lot longer then they should receive higher points but short games like DYM's for example should come down in points.
So .... I think it should be more balanced structure where points are distributed fairly.
I think MTT's players are the worst hit, they should shouting up as to why it's so unfair that they don't get more points than SNG players!
Reagrding the Happy days promo, all round it's bad timing to put it at the end of another promo.
Not fair for everybody concerned.
I think the whole "points between rake for cash and STT,s " is irrelevant in this case as the OP is just eluding to this particular rake race where it wasn,t stated anywhere on the t,c and c,s that one variant of the game would be givem its own point booster promo in the last week of the month which of course will count toward the PS4 race.
I,m sure if the points boost had applied to STT/DYM players there would be a lot of unhappy cash players today
If this site had lots of action at the high end of DYM/SNG's then I am 100% confident SNG grinders would be top of the leaderboard. The fact is this site has not enough traffic for SNG's for that to ever happen.
You need to compare the two, cash and SNG at the same level playing for the same amount of time and same amount of tables to get any idea how fair or not the system is bro.
The timing is just really bad. It smacks of greed. Whilst many cash players are putting in extra hours Sky have decided to get them playing around the clock with this promotion.
Short term it's great for them. They make loads.
Long term it's dreadful. People attracted to the site for this promotion will most likely think they've been misled. It looks amateurish to move the goal posts 3 weeks in.
These new players to the site will be gone at the end of the month and are hardly likely to recommend Sky to others.
It's a big shame as the promotion was excellent. A real win-win.
Sky made shedloads of rake for the relatively small outlay in the PS4's. The players have a great incentive to put in the extra hours.
its not as if they have previous for this... oh wait...... they do
They're 5th on the leaderboard now and have been consistent throughout the whole promo, so it's obv possible.
I'm not complaining but I defo agree it's bad timing to be introducing this promo and i'm a cash player.
GG sky!!! No matter what way you look at it they have given cash players an unfair advantage here, such a farce!!! (again)!