struggling to deal with these beats..

mrdavies

mrdavies	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£29.45
b123n	Big blind		£0.50	£1.00	£49.50
	Your hole cards	Q Q
trumperboy	Call		£0.50	£1.50	£31.73
mrdavies	Raise		£1.50	£3.00	£27.95
b123n	Fold
trumperboy	Call		£1.50	£4.50	£30.23
Flop
		3 4 9
mrdavies	Bet		£4.50	£9.00	£23.45
trumperboy	Raise		£15.00	£24.00	£15.23
mrdavies	All-in		£23.45	£47.45	£0.00
trumperboy	All-in		£15.23	£62.68	£0.00
trumperboy	Unmatched bet		£2.28	£60.40	£2.28
mrdavies	Show	Q Q
trumperboy	Show	3 9
Turn
		J
River
		9
trumperboy	Win	Full House, 9s and 3s	£58.60		£60.88

mrdavies

Just for good measure the very next hand! Brilliant from Sky.

mrdavies	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£18.43
b123n	Big blind		£0.50	£1.00	£49.50
CoxyLboro	Sit out
	Your hole cards	Q Q
trumperboy	Call		£0.50	£1.50	£75.39
mrdavies	Raise		£1.50	£3.00	£16.93
b123n	Fold
trumperboy	Call		£1.50	£4.50	£73.89
Flop
		7 5 6
mrdavies	Bet		£4.50	£9.00	£12.43
trumperboy	All-in		£73.89	£82.89	£0.00
mrdavies	All-in		£12.43	£95.32	£0.00
trumperboy	Unmatched bet		£56.96	£38.36	£56.96
mrdavies	Show	Q Q
trumperboy	Show	7 A
Turn
		7
River
		4
trumperboy	Win	Three 7s	£36.56		£93.5

MsBubble

In Response to Re: struggling to deal with these beats..:

Just for good measure the very next hand! Brilliant from Sky. mrdavies Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £18.43 b123n Big blind   £0.50 £1.00 £49.50 CoxyLboro Sit out           Your hole cards Q Q       trumperboy Call   £0.50 £1.50 £75.39 mrdavies Raise   £1.50 £3.00 £16.93 b123n Fold         trumperboy Call   £1.50 £4.50 £73.89 Flop     7 5 6       mrdavies Bet   £4.50 £9.00 £12.43 trumperboy All-in   £73.89 £82.89 £0.00 mrdavies All-in   £12.43 £95.32 £0.00 trumperboy Unmatched bet   £56.96 £38.36 £56.96 mrdavies Show Q Q       trumperboy Show 7 A       Turn     7       River     4       trumperboy Win Three 7s £36.56   £93.5
Posted by mrdavies

stop shoving queens on this type of board then you might not  lose x

mrdavies

Great response

MsBubble

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Great response
Posted by mrdavies

may i ask why its a bad beat your h/u with 1 other  you limp raise to £1.50 with queens pre flop and shove after the vilan re raises your 4.50 raise what excacly did you put him on  ul you didnt pair up   still but could be prevented here i think its not a bad beat its a bad call from you still looking at your queens

mrdavies

umm i dunno A9 - 1010 - JJ - J9 - K9 Q9- HE WAS LOOSE AS A GOOSE

SR23

You were in the SB two hands in a row? WP. Unlucky on the second one. 

mrdavies

Ahh yeah your right, well i sat our and reloaded, maybe went round once more but this was next hand i played!

He went on to absolutely crush my BR - trips 2s lost. AQ on Q high board lost.. one of them days.

SR23

They happen, man. I'd advocate raising more pre, but I'm far from being able to offer any meaningful strat advice. Sorry to hear about your evaporated BR. Run well. 

MsBubble

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umm i dunno A9 - 1010 - JJ - J9 - K9 Q9- HE WAS LOOSE AS A GOOSE
Posted by mrdavies

never a lower set then ??  like 3 3 or 9 9 just think you couldof foound a fold with  no reads other then its a lose player  hecould of quite easily had a a 3 3 9 9 even k k your queens are crushed either way when hes pushing you on the turn just need to spot this and be  prepared to lose a little not alot x

But i am no Pro lol

hhyftrftdr

Playing way too high if one bad session has smashed your bankroll.

Both hands are somewhat unfortunate. But I'd be raising both much more. If he's a poor station, then get the maximum out of them and raise much bigger pre.

Finally, lets not forget we want to play people like this, who we deem to be massively inferior.

F_Ivanovic

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In Response to Re: struggling to deal with these beats.. : stop shoving queens on this type of board then you might not  lose x
Posted by MsBubble

ok we should never be results orientated but look what opponent showed up with!! If he's calling pre-flop with 93 and shoving with A7 on 765 then folding QQ on a 943 board would be a catastrophe. we are miles ahead of his range so getting it in seems completely fine. Sure, if we were up against a tight reg then you might well question the shove with QQ. it's all about adjusting to our opponents

oynutter

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In Response to Re: struggling to deal with these beats.. : ok we should never be results orientated but look what opponent showed up with!! If he's calling pre-flop with 93 and shoving with A7 on 765 then folding QQ on a 943 board would be a catastrophe. we are miles ahead of his range so getting it in seems completely fine. Sure, if we were up against a tight reg then you might well question the shove with QQ. it's all about adjusting to our opponents
Posted by F_Ivanovic

well said that man there, you think he's loose, you adjust accordingly-- not a lot, but enough to call with the queens for flop sake!

HYPETING

First of all, sit with 100bb.

If your not rolled for that level, dont play it. Simple. 

mrdavies

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First of all, sit with 100bb. If your not rolled for that level, dont play it. Simple. 
Posted by HYPETING

ahh yeah good logic, lose 2 lots of 100bb then..

KAM99

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n Response to Re: struggling to deal with these beats.. : ahh yeah good logic, lose 2 lots of 100bb then..
Posted by mrdavies

Ah even better logic, sitting down at a table considering what you'll lose rather than what you'll win.

On top of that I echo what others have said. If you are having your bankroll crushed with a couple of badbeats  you are playing MILES outside of a safe BR. As a guide a player that don't care if they lose everything can get away with playing with 10 buyins in cash game, a serious player around 30 buyins and a pro maybe even up to as much as 50 buyins. Poker has times when it sucks and the cards run against you, and if your BR can't handle those downswings you go broke.

As for the beats. First one wasn't a bad beat. Unlucky he hit his hand, but you still put all your money in when behind. I don't blame you for doing it in either hand, and was 100% right play against someone that is clearly this loose. This is of course if you had evidence of this beforehand to go on.

lastly; I would say it is odd that both times you apparently posted your BB while in the SB. Don't you wait for the BB to come round and post? Add it up over time and this is wasteful. Should join a game at the BB and when you leave sitout at the BB to maxise your "free hands". Also, your raise preflop is too small, and gives him half decent odds to call in postion. 3xBB raise is fine if you are opening the pot. Add an extra BB per limper.

hhyftrftdr

I think you missed off a zero on your pro buy ins calculation!

clubhammer

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lastly; I would say it is odd that both times you apparently posted your BB while in the SB. Don't you wait for the BB to come round and post? Add it up over time and this is wasteful. Should join a game at the BB and when you leave sitout at the BB to maxise your "free hands".



I'm guessing this is an action table

Clyde420

 My tip here would be:

Always join a table where it dosn't hurt to lose a max buyin, seemes like you might be playing too high for your bankroll. I'm not that good, so I go for about 1000 buyins lol.

You should be happy to re buy everytime you lose a hand imo..

Your opponent just hit a long shot, the A7 isn't even that far behind, it happens, the trick is, not to let it hurt your bankroll too much..

As for everything else, seems to pe played fine to me, it's just poker...

KAM99

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I think you missed off a zero on your pro buy ins calculation!
Posted by hhyftrftdr

Err, no I didn't. I doubt many need more than 50, but maybe some would be tighter on it and be up in the 60-70 range. As long as you sepping down levels if  your BR is shrinking I see no need. If you having downswings that massive I'd take time off the tables and look at my game and see if I was missing something.

Where did you get teh idea for 500 from? Never seen any advice or pro say they play with a BR management that extreme.

hhyftrftdr

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In Response to Re: struggling to deal with these beats.. : Err, no I didn't. I doubt many need more than 50, but maybe some would be tighter on it and be up in the 60-70 range. As long as you sepping down levels if  your BR is shrinking I see no need. If you having downswings that massive I'd take time off the tables and look at my game and see if I was missing something. Where did you get teh idea for 500 from? Never seen any advice or pro say they play with a BR management that extreme.
Posted by KAM99

You seriously think that people who play for a living (and I mean properly play for a living) will only have/need 50 buy ins at the level they play?! No chance. 

500 might have be at the extreme end of the scale, but a more realistic figure will be at least 250 BI. You could do 50 buy ins in a bad week if you're playing 8 tables for 10 hours a day!

Think about it....player X plays 50nl for a living. 50 BI equates to just £2,500. Player X has a shocking day and drops 8 BI- £2,100 BR. Player X comes back the following day to try and grind it back. Another poor day leaves a deficit of 6 BI - £1,800 BR.

Lambert recently had a 120 BI downswing. He'd have been broke 2 and a half times in your book