there has been talk of new venues so Sheffield or Coventry perhaps would love the new g casino in new brighton that's coz its only up the road lol blackpool and Birmingham great venues too great facillites too as my mobility not great anyway that's my twopenneth for what its worth and gl to every 1
not necessarily, there is no definitive decision that there won't be SPTs in 2014.
The Mini 6 max deepstack at the start of the UKPC 11 days is designed to appeal to the lower bankrolls, quarter the buy in of the main, juicy £150,000 GTE and 50 seats for the main up for grabs.
Good event for the wider poker community as a whole and probably not what the Sky community was looking for based on the core of the Sky community coming from the DTD 1 and 2 quid series and essentially 5 and 11 quid bounty hunters. At the end of the day, Sky want to appeal to the wider poker community, it is where new business lies and in Tikay and SPT Rich P they have two really experienced poker people who know the game (and the current challenges in the market) really well, I always trust their judgement, the UKPC was a great event and I am sure this will be.
Personally I could just about stretch to the 250 buy in, I play one or two 200+ buyins a year if I can but I don't like the Re-entry that has been added here, I appreciate poker evolves and if you stand still you fail but I don't like the higher bankroll players given the advantage of a second bullet, level playing field FTW!
However I appreciate it is the norm in the live poker world these days and acknowledge if you have travel and accomodation expenses and end up coolered KK into AA in level 1 the second bullet can be a good idea and swells the prize pool.
There are a few other lower stakes tours I won't name so perhaps it was time for Sky to move up the ladder in the live tour market, with TK and RP at the helm and with Dusk till Dawn as the venue provider with all their positives I am not surprised Sky Poker put themselves in this market, BlackBelt had a similar tour and community and fell by the wayside, Sky Poker are future proofing with the 2014 offerings.
I hope they can fit in a traditional SPT somewhere though, Dublin would get my vote
not necessarily, there is no definitive decision that there won't be SPTs in 2014. The Mini 6 max deepstack at the start of the UKPC 11 days is designed to appeal to the lower bankrolls, quarter the buy in of the main, juicy £150,000 GTE and 50 seats for the main up for grabs. Posted by SPT
so basically everyone has asked for a nice "cheap" friendly game of poker and sky has responded with a schedule to rival UKIPT/GUKPT which most of us cant afford anyways.
I understand your trying to broaden your market and attract these players who play these events to sky poker, but the biggest online event outwith ukopts is £220 and called a high roller. The sites basic mtt schedule doesnt attract them.
I respect in this schedule you have lower buy in events, but will you run sats for them or do i need to play elsewhere for them - the latter is terrible for sky.
Re-entry aswell, so not only do i have to hgope yo get lucky through countless sats, now even if i manage to bust someone, chances are their back in the mtt, just in the hope of meeting the guarentee. This can't be very appealing to 99.8% of sky's player pool
In Response to Re: SPT TOUR SCHEDLUE FOR 2014 : so basically everyone has asked for a nice "cheap" friendly game of poker and sky has responded with a schedule to rival UKIPT/GUKPT which most of us cant afford anyways. This can't be very appealing to 99.8% of sky's player pool Posted by The_Don90
Good event for the wider poker community as a whole and probably not what the Sky community was looking for based on the core of the Sky community coming from the DTD 1 and 2 quid series and essentially 5 and 11 quid bounty hunters. At the end of the day, Sky want to appeal to the wider poker community, it is where new business lies and in Tikay and SPT Rich P they have two really experienced poker people who know the game (and the current challenges in the market) really well, I always trust their judgement, the UKPC was a great event and I am sure this will be. Personally I could just about stretch to the 250 buy in, I play one or two 200+ buyins a year if I can but I don't like the Re-entry that has been added here, I appreciate poker evolves and if you stand still you fail but I don't like the higher bankroll players given the advantage of a second bullet, level playing field FTW! However I appreciate it is the norm in the live poker world these days and acknowledge if you have travel and accomodation expenses and end up coolered KK into AA in level 1 the second bullet can be a good idea and swells the prize pool. There are a few other lower stakes tours I won't name so perhaps it was time for Sky to move up the ladder in the live tour market, with TK and RP at the helm and with Dusk till Dawn as the venue provider with all their positives I am not surprised Sky Poker put themselves in this market, BlackBelt had a similar tour and community and fell by the wayside, Sky Poker are future proofing with the 2014 offerings. I hope they can fit in a traditional SPT somewhere though, Dublin would get my vote Posted by SolarCarro
Thank you Dave, a balanced Post, but I have to say that RP & myself are NOT at the helm, we are just the water-carriers.
Doubt the Business would appreciate SPT Rich & I being described as "at the helm". We are in the galley, washing pots.
In Response to Re: SPT TOUR SCHEDLUE FOR 2014 : so basically everyone has asked for a nice "cheap" friendly game of poker and sky has responded with a schedule to rival UKIPT/GUKPT which most of us cant afford anyways. I understand your trying to broaden your market and attract these players who play these events to sky poker, but the biggest online event outwith ukopts is £220 and called a high roller. The sites basic mtt schedule doesnt attract them. I respect in this schedule you have lower buy in events, but will you run sats for them or do i need to play elsewhere for them - the latter is terrible for sky. Re-entry aswell, so not only do i have to hgope yo get lucky through countless sats, now even if i manage to bust someone, chances are their back in the mtt, just in the hope of meeting the guarentee. This can't be very appealing to 99.8% of sky's player pool Posted by The_Don90
You seem to have missed the point Don, & I understand your frustration, but that's not an accurate representation.
The exising player-base are very important, & it needs to appeal to them, too, but to say "99.8% won't find it appealing" is a bit of an exaggaration. A significant number of Sky Poker regulars played the previous UKPC in February, most of whom satellited in, some for as little as £2.20. There will be "Freerolls" for Seats, too. The feedback I heard was tremendous, too, regular players, for want of a better word, loved sharing tables with the likes of Messrs Trickett, Devilfish, Toby, Jake, et al.
Remember, part of the logic is to attract new players to the Site, & to raise the profile of the Business &, to a degree, change how the site is viewed by non-account holders.
It was never going to be easy to please everyone, of course. Goes with the territory, that.
The previous UKPC, in February, was a stunning success, by any yardstick, & as a result, was, on balance, good for the site.
Sad as it may seem, the Site cannot just try to appeal to one section of the player-base, it has to try to appeal to as many as possible, AND try to attract new players. Quite a tricky path to tread.
Just feel that SKY Poker is putting at risk that uniqueness that most of us love.
If you ask players why they play on SKY, you usually get answers like "the community spirirt" "the spts" or "the teams."
A second major event makes the SPTs (if there are any) appear lower down the pecking order. As UKIPT & GUKPT have discovered, £1k buy in tournaments, usually mean overlay. Initially, there is high demand for something new but it soon wanes. UKIPT are dropping buy ins to £700 and most GUKPT events this year have dropped to £500. In fact the only tour which appears to be thriving is the 25/25 Series. Probably no coincidence that they have pitched it at £200 with loads of satellites.
Two years ago, I thought the SPT was going to make a major breakthrough by running a tour of events at £100 & £200. It was set up to be the tour with the most attendees. Instead they has stepped back & allowed Grosvenor to take over this market with the 25/25 Series.
I will have an attempt via the cheapest satellites but I won't be targetting this event. Just feel that the suits are starting to lose touch with a large number of the players.
Dissapointed not to see any plans for future SPT,s although i kinda of had an idea as the UKPC seemed to me like Sky were trying to move on from SPT,s and go for bigger events and compete with the GUKPT as it had a slight drop in numbers for a while.
I know of a few ppl recently who have stopped playing on Sky and i haven,t really been on myself but SPT,s would certainly get these ppl back playing in the satlites and i,m sure that would lead to them coming back to the site more - myself included
There are other tours out there for similar buy-ins but pale in insignificance compared to the SPT.s. It was such a popular part of Sky i just can,t understand if they get binned or re-shaped to much . If it aint broke and all that
Ps - Wern,t they getting more popular as well ? The reserve list seemed to grow on each SPT
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there should be some news of plans this week coming
lol, i implied nothing of the sort.
there has been talk of new venues so Sheffield or Coventry perhaps would love the new g casino in new brighton that's coz its only up the road lol blackpool and Birmingham great venues too great facillites too as my mobility not great anyway that's my twopenneth for what its worth and gl to every 1
The Mini 6 max deepstack at the start of the UKPC 11 days is designed to appeal to the lower bankrolls, quarter the buy in of the main, juicy £150,000 GTE and 50 seats for the main up for grabs.
Personally I could just about stretch to the 250 buy in, I play one or two 200+ buyins a year if I can but I don't like the Re-entry that has been added here, I appreciate poker evolves and if you stand still you fail but I don't like the higher bankroll players given the advantage of a second bullet, level playing field FTW!
However I appreciate it is the norm in the live poker world these days and acknowledge if you have travel and accomodation expenses and end up coolered KK into AA in level 1 the second bullet can be a good idea and swells the prize pool.
There are a few other lower stakes tours I won't name so perhaps it was time for Sky to move up the ladder in the live tour market, with TK and RP at the helm and with Dusk till Dawn as the venue provider with all their positives I am not surprised Sky Poker put themselves in this market, BlackBelt had a similar tour and community and fell by the wayside, Sky Poker are future proofing with the 2014 offerings.
I hope they can fit in a traditional SPT somewhere though, Dublin would get my vote
Doubt the Business would appreciate SPT Rich & I being described as "at the helm". We are in the galley, washing pots.
The exising player-base are very important, & it needs to appeal to them, too, but to say "99.8% won't find it appealing" is a bit of an exaggaration. A significant number of Sky Poker regulars played the previous UKPC in February, most of whom satellited in, some for as little as £2.20. There will be "Freerolls" for Seats, too. The feedback I heard was tremendous, too, regular players, for want of a better word, loved sharing tables with the likes of Messrs Trickett, Devilfish, Toby, Jake, et al.
Remember, part of the logic is to attract new players to the Site, & to raise the profile of the Business &, to a degree, change how the site is viewed by non-account holders.
It was never going to be easy to please everyone, of course. Goes with the territory, that.
The previous UKPC, in February, was a stunning success, by any yardstick, & as a result, was, on balance, good for the site.
Sad as it may seem, the Site cannot just try to appeal to one section of the player-base, it has to try to appeal to as many as possible, AND try to attract new players. Quite a tricky path to tread.
I Take it the venue will be DTD Notts again then if its all 6 max? not seen it posted anywhere?
If you ask players why they play on SKY, you usually get answers like "the community spirirt" "the spts" or "the teams."
A second major event makes the SPTs (if there are any) appear lower down the pecking order. As UKIPT & GUKPT have discovered, £1k buy in tournaments, usually mean overlay. Initially, there is high demand for something new but it soon wanes. UKIPT are dropping buy ins to £700 and most GUKPT events this year have dropped to £500. In fact the only tour which appears to be thriving is the 25/25 Series. Probably no coincidence that they have pitched it at £200 with loads of satellites.
Two years ago, I thought the SPT was going to make a major breakthrough by running a tour of events at £100 & £200. It was set up to be the tour with the most attendees. Instead they has stepped back & allowed Grosvenor to take over this market with the 25/25 Series.
I will have an attempt via the cheapest satellites but I won't be targetting this event. Just feel that the suits are starting to lose touch with a large number of the players.