I really don't understand what it is you're asking for, could you please, very succinctly itemise exactly what you want to see?
Is it, a). More tournaments? b). higher guarantees? c). different prize structures? d). Sky to just give out additional prize money for fun? e). All of the above?
I honestly can't understand the prize-pool issue, you've already said that a £2.20 tournament is regularly getting around 100 runners. Regardless of what the GTD is, this IS a £200 tournament. Changing the guarantee will have absolutely zero effect on the payouts. If I'm misunderstanding, please put me on the right track
Just an oplnion, but i think one of Profman's issues is and i agree, £2.20 deep stack £100 guarantee, £2.20 ds £200 gt
and £2.20 ds no gt and only about 5 over 24 hours. If you play bh or timed you can log on any time and there will be a tornie to play with the same guarantee every few mins. So the few who like DS have little choice. I would rather not play or play somewhere else than play Bounty hunters that's just me.
Prof I'm the same as Simon I'm having great difficulty understanding what your complaint is about, but I have a few points to make.
First of all your comment "As for that ridiculous win rate to gain profit then surely that supports my feelings of 'why bother' syndrome." with regard to Paul's statement. I've had 3 years of free poker from an initial deposit of £25 thanks to a ROI of over 30% and 95% of my mtts have been the 2 deepstacks we are discussing. This isn't meant as a brag but to illustrate that Paul is correct and it's entirely possible to achieve. But that is taking it to the extreme and any +ROI is possible if your prepared to learn and improve, while still enjoying the game.
Last weeks Orfy had 141 runners with a first prize of £116 down to £6.77 for 16th place. DTD1 had 173 runners wih a first prize of £94 down to £4.64 for 18th place. How can you say that it's not appealing especially the DTD? Yes it's not easy to cash and even harder to win but isn't that what it's all about, challenging yourself?
You then say that quite a lot who play the deepstacks have the same feeling as yourself. Sorry I have to disagree or how else do you explain that the numbers have risen this year ? Like you I would like see more deepstacks but the fact is they aren't as popular as bounty hunters.
I get the impression that you are or have lost your love for the game and your trying to justify yourself by finding fault when there's really no fault there.
In Response to Re: £100 deep stack...cmon on sky! : Hi lambert Firstly, just to repeat the congrats on your 3rd place etc...great stuff. Are the freeze outs deep stacks. As for that ridiculous win rate to gain profit then surely that supports my feelings of 'why bother' syndrome. Yes I want entertainment in a friendly mtt. No, I'm not wanting to spend eons on two monitors to make a living. On Friday I will play the Orfy and don't see the reduced prize pool as worth playing(though I may do at times). And the same on Monday for the Dtd forum. It's not particularly appealing. That is all I'm saying and for quite a lot who play the DS's that feeling is mutual.tbh it also promotes some really poor frustrating play (they all do at times, I hear you say) Ok say 'get lost...you won't be missed.....who cares' etc and I recognise that my contribution to sky poker is minuscule but it shouldn't mean that I can't ask to be considered. If the answer from sky is no the prize pool stays the same and with no variety of DS's even to appeal more to players then fine. I've asked to be considered and if this is discussed and determined logically then I can accept that. If my appeal for them wanes then it's no bother. I'm just asking as a person who prefers DS's ATM.whether I carry on in its wake will be a decision I can happily then make. Ps I stopped playing dym's when I had a winning roi of about 8% so it's not the cash . I'm playing for enjoyment but don't want to give money away constantly or need to have a mad roi rate to profit a little. Asa retired maths teacher I'm just looking at the figures, that's all. If it doesn't make sense for the number of players/extra appeal to sky then sobe it. Posted by profman15
Hey Profman
You raise some good points.
It would be good for sky to increase the gurantee from £100 on the 7:15 deepstack, anytime i play it, it usually has 90-110 runners.
Also they could defo introduce more £3, £5 deep stack buy ins.
A min cash in the 7:15 or 7:45 is usually double the entry fee. Last time i won the £1 d/s it was about £35, pretty sure its normally around the £32-£36 mark. While this is not a massive amount of money, it's quite a decent prize imo for a £1, 100 runner MTT.
When i was playing loads of MTT's i was playing these 2 MTT's most nights and even to this day i would say they are some of my favourite tournies on sky.
In Response to Re: £100 deep stack...cmon on sky! : Hi lambert Firstly, just to repeat the congrats on your 3rd place etc...great stuff. Are the freeze outs deep stacks. Posted by profman15
Those freezeouts that Lambert mentioned are not deepstacks. You start with 2k stack although they are good tournaments, they're not your 5k deepstack tournaments.
Good afternoon all I play the £2.20 @2.20 DEEPSTACK most afternoons asi work a night shift, dont think a gtd prize will affect the numbers. but i would like to see more deepstacks on the site, i find they are a great way to learn poker and very enjoyable. All the best Rainman397 P.S ANYONE AVAILABLE 4 THE £2.20 @2.20 DEEPSTACK THIS AFTERNOON.
It's good to have a friendly discussion . To clarify for Sly and Dagg, I would like Sky to introduce and wider range of DS's for those of us who prefer to play 5000 chips and have more post flop play than BH's and dym's...maybe £3.30 and 5.50. I had a winning roi at dym's but have lost interest in these and BH's . I am playing for enjoyment and entertainment so Lambert as freeze outs are 2000 chips then they are not my cup of tea ATM.
Playing the DS's last night a few mentioned that they agree but one did say that the same kind of post was put on by stokefc 7 pages before on the forum without receiving an answer. Well surely the forum is there to make suggestions and get replies. If it's not to be then fine.just give a reason as I think it would be beneficial for some players who prefer DSs and would like just a little more variety. If it's not to be then fine but could a reason be provided please.
Btw Dagg, I do have less enthusiasm for the game when I did first begin on sky but I do prefer DS's . There just isn't the variety at my bi level. Would you agree?its only my opinion but I would like Sky's/Tikay's as a matter of courtesy.
Hi folks It's good to have a friendly discussion . To clarify for Sly and Dagg, I would like Sky to introduce and wider range of DS's for those of us who prefer to play 5000 chips and have more post flop play than BH's and dym's...maybe £3.30 and 5.50. I had a winning roi at dym's but have lost interest in these and BH's . I am playing for enjoyment and entertainment so Lambert as freeze outs are 2000 chips then they are not my cup of tea ATM. Playing the DS's last night a few mentioned that they agree but one did say that the same kind of post was put on by stokefc 7 pages before on the forum without receiving an answer. Well surely the forum is there to make suggestions and get replies. If it's not to be then fine.just give a reason as I think it would be beneficial for some players who prefer DSs and would like just a little more variety. If it's not to be then fine but could a reason be provided please. Btw Dagg, I do have less enthusiasm for the game when I did first begin on sky but I do prefer DS's . There just isn't the variety at my bi level. Would you agree?its only my opinion but I would like Sky's/Tikay's as a matter of courtesy. Posted by profman15
BIB: Yes I would. I'd like to see a couple more deepstacks at £1-10, maybe one in the afternoon to run alongside the £2-20 @2-20 and one after 10pm. I think there's room for those but whether the same applies to a £2-20 buy in I'm not sure as they are better covered anyway.
What I would like to see is a slight rejigging of levels to provide deeper play at late levels. For a deepstack tourney they are still too much of a shovefest on the final table. (waits for all the comments saying No! they take long enough already!)
BTW Stokes thread was asking for an increased guarantee in the 7-15 deepie but we never got a response off Sky (no surprise there)
In Response to Re: £100 deep stack...cmon on sky! : BIB : Yes I would. I'd like to see a couple more deepstacks at £1-10, maybe one in the afternoon to run alongside the £2-20 @2-20 and one after 10pm. I think there's room for those but whether the same applies to a £2-20 buy in I'm not sure as they are better covered anyway. What I would like to see is a slight rejigging of levels to provide deeper play at late levels. For a deepstack tourney they are still too much of a shovefest on the final table. (waits for all the comments saying No! they take long enough already!) BTW Stokes thread was asking for an increased guarantee in the 7-15 deepie but we never got a response off Sky (no surprise there) Posted by FlyingDagg
Totally agree with this, and it's not deepstack specific.
It is a problem with all structures on here, and the faster the structure the more it is amplified.
Not sure how it applies to deepstacks but I played a tournament the other day with a 10 minute clock and no 500/1000 level. Knocking a minute off the clock and adding in this level would lead to the amount of play at various stages being a lot more balanced I think.
In Response to Re: £100 deep stack...cmon on sky! : BIB : Yes I would. I'd like to see a couple more deepstacks at £1-10, maybe one in the afternoon to run alongside the £2-20 @2-20 and one after 10pm. I think there's room for those but whether the same applies to a £2-20 buy in I'm not sure as they are better covered anyway. What I would like to see is a slight rejigging of levels to provide deeper play at late levels. For a deepstack tourney they are still too much of a shovefest on the final table. (waits for all the comments saying No! they take long enough already!) BTW Stokes thread was asking for an increased guarantee in the 7-15 deepie but we never got a response off Sky (no surprise there) Posted by FlyingDagg
tbf Daggs sky did respond to my thread as did Tikay after i bumped it,you probably missed the bump
I'll respond in the morning Proffy, apologies I've been a bit all over the shop this week, I've not even updated my PLO8 diary thing since Sunday. Not promising my reply will be much help, mind.
I'll respond in the morning Proffy, apologies I've been a bit all over the shop this week, I've not even updated my PLO8 diary thing since Sunday. Not promising my reply will be much help, mind. Have a great evening. Posted by Tikay10
Cheers Tikay ,
I appreciate it. Btw my apologies as I thought stokefc hadn't had a reply. He said he had so let's put that straight too. Also I do realise the payouts were changed appropriately. Dagg, I agree with your points about the blind level creating a bit of a shove fest on fts. Yes my enthusiasm has waned from where it once was and possibly medical problems could point to the reasons. I remember Dohhhhhhh (hope it's spelt correctly D!) mentioning this a while back. I've just fancied a bit more post flop play with no great outlay so financially it isn't a particular consideration. Tbh,I'm not really a gambler and don't see the highs and lows of bankroll management fitting my personality in any way. I'd worry too much about losses which would affect my play adversely. I've had some successes over a variety of tournaments but mainly it's the enjoyment factor playing guys you 'know' or in the team comp.
Tikay, if it doesn't fit into sky's plans fine though I do feel that we need to see some DS's at a level below £10 but with a larger prize pool and higher bi. Enjoyment is key but I just don't see the variety on the menu. Maybe it would flop but would an experiment be worthwhile putting a 3.30 and a 5.50 DS with a guarantee as an incentive on the menu. Looking forward to your thoughts Tikay and one day I intend to get to an SPT with my THS shirt and hoodie on full display at the bar after being knocked out first session!!!!! The members there are a great bunch as are so many others that I've met through the site
Personally, I think sky should pay a bit more attention to numbers and adjust guarantees by smaller increments, no need to half a guarantee imo--- it just makes the tournie less attractive---- take 20 quid off at a time if it's not making the numbers--- keep it as attractive as possible innit.
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I really don't understand what it is you're asking for, could you please, very succinctly itemise exactly what you want to see?
Is it, a). More tournaments? b). higher guarantees? c). different prize structures? d). Sky to just give out additional prize money for fun? e). All of the above?
I honestly can't understand the prize-pool issue, you've already said that a £2.20 tournament is regularly getting around 100 runners. Regardless of what the GTD is, this IS a £200 tournament. Changing the guarantee will have absolutely zero effect on the payouts. If I'm misunderstanding, please put me on the right track
but I have a few points to make.
First of all your comment "As for that ridiculous win rate to gain profit then surely that supports my feelings of 'why bother' syndrome." with regard to Paul's statement. I've had 3 years of free poker from an initial deposit of £25 thanks to a ROI of over 30% and 95% of my mtts have been the 2 deepstacks we are discussing. This isn't meant as a brag but to illustrate that Paul is correct and it's entirely possible to achieve. But that is taking it to the extreme and any +ROI is possible if your prepared to learn and improve, while still enjoying the game.
Last weeks Orfy had 141 runners with a first prize of £116 down to £6.77 for 16th place.
DTD1 had 173 runners wih a first prize of £94 down to £4.64 for 18th place.
How can you say that it's not appealing especially the DTD? Yes it's not easy to cash and even harder to win but isn't that what it's all about, challenging yourself?
You then say that quite a lot who play the deepstacks have the same feeling as yourself. Sorry I have to disagree or how else do you explain that the numbers have risen this year ? Like you I would like see more deepstacks but the fact is they aren't as popular as bounty hunters.
I get the impression that you are or have lost your love for the game and your trying to justify yourself by finding fault when there's really no fault there.
You raise some good points.
It would be good for sky to increase the gurantee from £100 on the 7:15 deepstack, anytime i play it, it usually has 90-110 runners.
Also they could defo introduce more £3, £5 deep stack buy ins.
A min cash in the 7:15 or 7:45 is usually double the entry fee. Last time i won the £1 d/s it was about £35, pretty sure its normally around the £32-£36 mark. While this is not a massive amount of money, it's quite a decent prize imo for a £1, 100 runner MTT.
When i was playing loads of MTT's i was playing these 2 MTT's most nights and even to this day i would say they are some of my favourite tournies on sky.
I play the £2.20 @2.20 DEEPSTACK most afternoons asi work a night shift, dont think a gtd prize will affect the numbers.
but i would like to see more deepstacks on the site, i find they are a great way to learn poker and very enjoyable.
All the best
Rainman397
P.S ANYONE AVAILABLE 4 THE £2.20 @2.20 DEEPSTACK THIS AFTERNOON.
What I would like to see is a slight rejigging of levels to provide deeper play at late levels. For a deepstack tourney they are still too much of a shovefest on the final table. (waits for all the comments saying No! they take long enough already!)
BTW Stokes thread was asking for an increased guarantee in the 7-15 deepie but we never got a response off Sky (no surprise there)
It is a problem with all structures on here, and the faster the structure the more it is amplified.
Antes would help. How do we still not have antes?
I'll respond in the morning Proffy, apologies I've been a bit all over the shop this week, I've not even updated my PLO8 diary thing since Sunday. Not promising my reply will be much help, mind.
Have a great evening.