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Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables

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  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,832
    edited April 2014
    What's wrong with playing NL10? 

    And as for forgetting about £'s, that is good advice. During my BR challenge I began to get obsessed with winning sessions and that hurt my play. I reassed, and concentrated on playing my game, my way. It worked wonders as I had the best month ever and not only that completed my challenge. 
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Back on track tonight, a bit of a session before dinner then through the United game...

    3.5BI up playing 4 tables and racked up 71pts to start the month.

    Bankroll £503, would be nice if the next couple of sessions can build a bit of a cushion as mentally it'd be nice to hold above £500 and steadily push for the £1k mark.

    Think I picked my spots quite well, but there are a couple of hands I need to try and dig out and query in the clinic. Having trouble posting hands on Opera and due to windows issues I can't get IE running on my laptop, so will have to be saved for lunch breaks or skives at work.

    Had a look around for some coaching, someone to watch over a session and try to point out my biggest leaks. Biggest trouble is that most online coaches seem to charge to review a database of your hands as a large part of any session, so not sure it's a huge help on Sky with the limited capability of doing that. Will continue in the interim to navigate the free online videos and hope my BS radar only watches the more value-adding ones the whole way through.
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited April 2014
    Hi Shakin,

    Don't waste money paying for coaching imo.

    If you ever want to do a sweat session sometime, i'd be happy to watch you play and provide some feedback. And you are more than welcome to watch me play sometime if you feel it would be helpful.

    Send me a mesg if it's something you want to do.
  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,643
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: a little fish trying to out-swim the sharks...:
    Hi Shakin, Don't waste money paying for coaching imo. If you ever want to do a sweat session sometime, i'd be happy to watch you play and provide some feedback. And you are more than welcome to watch me play sometime if you feel it would be helpful. Send me a mesg if it's something you want to do.
    Posted by LARSON7
    That's a bit like a wannabe pop star taking advice from a one-hit wonder ;)
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited April 2014
    The one and only?
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited April 2014
    Gotta look at coaching as an investment. Yeah it might cost you X amount up front, but if it can win you Y amount over the next period (weeks, months) after it, then its possibly something worth looking at.

    Not sure how useful it would be for 10nl, but if you look to move up the levels....
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    First things first.

    51 pts earned... albeit not such a fair estimate of the quantity of hands I put in today.

    Bankroll £518.36 after a bit of a rollercoaster

    Swings

    Seemed to be lots of nits and regs at every NL10 table that popeed up, so settled for action 5/5 and NL8 to start the night, 4 tables and not many points earned.

    I lost probably £5-£6 early doors from being a bit too aggressive before toning it down to a more constructive level and I think was playing quite well... the river was getting the better of me though on numerous occasions and although I managed to get away cheaply in the main part, the money was dropping.

    Swongs

    So what better to do than decide to skip the regs and nits at NL10 and fire up two tables of NL20 and play mostly unknown names...

    I will need to have a look back over some hands tomorrow and I accept that overall I played far tighter than I usually would, but I think bar one hand I held my own and still managed to sneak a few bluffs through.

    Then it was my turn to be a dirty river rat when ending up all in on the turn, straight vs my set. Will try to add to clinic tomorrow but I pretty much butchered it and luckboxed - same as what went against me at the lower limits, just good for me that lady luck favoured me the time it helped the most.

    Back to where I belong

    Not sure I'll be back there very often though, maybe I picked bad tables, maybe the site just didn't have too many recs about tonight, either way I still have lots of learning to do at NL10 and below before thinking about more than the occasional dabble at higher limits.

    Oddly, the first table I sat at broke as soon as one player left, literally left me sat on my own the hand after they left... can't think I've ever really encountered that at smaller buyins...
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: a little fish trying to out-swim the sharks...:
    Gotta look at coaching as an investment. Yeah it might cost you X amount up front, but if it can win you Y amount over the next period (weeks, months) after it, then its possibly something worth looking at. Not sure how useful it would be for 10nl, but if you look to move up the levels....
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    I suppose my thinking was just to try and lose any of my worst leaks, to avoid being caught with my pants down when I do take a more concerted effort at NL20 (or above).  Dunno how sensible that is, but may give me a better platform to move on?  Perhaps the cost/benefit is more worthwhile after a solid number of hours / certain bankroll (ie if I hit £1k+ and am well rolled for NL20)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: a little fish trying to out-swim the sharks...:
    Hi Shakin, Don't waste money paying for coaching imo. If you ever want to do a sweat session sometime, i'd be happy to watch you play and provide some feedback. And you are more than welcome to watch me play sometime if you feel it would be helpful. Send me a mesg if it's something you want to do.
    Posted by LARSON7
    LOL @ Slips response to this :)

    Will ping a message across Larson.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Bankroll now £558.34 and racked my points for the month up to 228

    Well, another day that started horrifically, not least after I was a disbeliver of a min 3bet BvB so chucked in a 4bet, hit top two pair and stacked off to bottom set.

    Must remember to get my barings a bit on players before getting silly with anything other than premium hands!

    I was playing well though in the main but the boards were just not running out kindly - flopping a set with aces but running out 4-straight/flush and being lucky not to be stacked, while more players that love to shove flops (90+ BB to win like 10BB after I've c-bet) seemed to be at the tables and dwindling my stacks.

    Then things picked up, seemed to always be golden when choosing to semi-bluff or when to fold, getting some kind flops when 3-betting with mid hands and getting paid.

    How to run golden - by Larson07

    I also just watched about 5 minutes of Larson playing to see the software some of you guys use for watching sessions... doubled up first hand, picked up AA and a few more quid the next hand, another near double up with a flush then nice safe K-high flop from AK

    This game is so easy :)

    National time almost here!

    Have run so good on this race over the years, normally cover 3 horses and have only ever had one year I failed to get a place and several winners (since I was 18 and could bet... too many years ago now!)

    Therefore love trawling the stats for this weekend. This and Cheltenham are the only time I bet apart from when I get to blag a day at the track.

    Wanted to stick some on Monbeg Dude at the start of the week when ladbrokes had them at 20s, but I am well and truly barred from their site. Looked to pop into a shop on Tuesday but by that point the odds had tumbled so kept my cash. Now looking as if it'll be favourite, unsurprising with the Royal connection. Still fancy it but may need to find a 'new' bookie to make it worth backing, get a free cash offer to boost the price.

    Otherwise it's on to the rest of the shortlist and hoping that my 2nd and 3rd pick can be lucky.

    Whatever anyone who is reading this is backing, hope it gives you a good run for your money at least!
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Bankroll down to 534.09... 51pts added

    One of them days... AA lost nearly 200bb vs a guy that had been playing nuts but picked up two pair

    First hand after opening another table I hit middle set and am stacked by top set

    Get the chance to GII on low flop vs v aggressive player with JJ and run into KK

    Probably did well to only be 24 quid down lol...

    Either way it's enough to make me think it must be a sign that I've got an invite to go town the pub. It's gonna be hard to concentrate on the poker anyway now my lodger's missus has dropped by after a month travelling. It sounds like a horror film upstairs at the moment with all the banging and screaming.
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: a little fish trying to out-swim the sharks...:
    Bankroll down to 534.09... 51pts added One of them days... AA lost nearly 200bb vs a guy that had been playing nuts but picked up two pair First hand after opening another table I hit middle set and am stacked by top set Get the chance to GII on low flop vs v aggressive player with JJ and run into KK Probably did well to only be 24 quid down lol... Either way it's enough to make me think it must be a sign that I've got an invite to go town the pub. It's gonna be hard to concentrate on the poker anyway now my lodger's missus has dropped by after a month travelling. It sounds like a horror film upstairs at the moment with all the banging and screaming.
    Posted by shakinaces
    Brilliant.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Bankroll £494.60 pts for month 336

    Well that just filthy again.

    Sat 'well' against plenty of super loose players, ran 'horrific' as nothing seemed to hold. Not sure I can do more than get it in good and hope next time a few more of them actually hold up for me.

    When you are facing a player that sees every flop and calls down with everything, it's genuinely frustrating when you patiently keep raising and then holding back from betting missed flops, only to eventually pick up a big hand and get it cracked by the likes of 75os binking a full house.

    It's challenging trying to spot obvious leaks when you look over your hand history and would genuinely play the hand the same way again and know that at least 60% of the time it would go your way.

    The only real tilting thing during it was that the software bugs were back. All this nuts play but it wouldn't let me open / add notes on players, couldn't open hand histories at the table and wouldn't even load the lobby (was playing the freeroll on the side) to see how long I needed to hang on for a couple of quid.

    Would think a brand as big as Sky would have all these sort of things ironed out before software is rolled out...

    Life run bad as well

    Only had a couple of pints last night then wandered home via getting some take out food. Immediately regretted it and spend most of last night chucking up the contents of my stomach and then continuing to dry retch while the sun rose in the morning.

    Finally all settles down so I try for some much needed sleep only to be immediately woken by the clattering of another athletic session in the spare room.

    Time for some filth

    My body needs crazy filthy carbs, have barely eaten today so time to reload and then hope it's my turn for some run good :)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Bankroll £470.20 pts 410

    Played for a while last night and ended up a couple of quid down...

    Another car crash today, just seem to find myself donating small/medium pots to the recs for them to then pass to other regs over the last couple of days. 

    In particular today, there were no coolers that I can remember in the shortish session I played, but still dropped over 2 BI - it's not so much the money, but feels like it was bad play today.

    A lot was in my timing as well. I kept losing 30-50BB pots by trying to squeeze value from TP / 2ndP against people I'd seen play every pot and regularly get to the river with underpair to board, bottom pair, even nothing (when river had gone check/check).

    Perhaps the lesson is to hold fire until I have at least a good 2 pair hand or better before I start going to value town and be happy to just check things down when I'm in hands with KJ.

    Anyway, definitely lots to try and rethink. No-one to blame but myself for today's loss.
  • freshfish1freshfish1 Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2014
    gl bud, hope it goes well. Trying a challenge of my own at this level too:)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: a little fish trying to out-swim the sharks...:
    gl bud, hope it goes well. Trying a challenge of my own at this level too:)
    Posted by freshfish1
    GL freshfish... from what I've seen of you on the tables you are nailed on to grow your roll at this level. Just hope I see sense to not donate too much money to you!

    And the NL10 challenges are all in fashion right now... there should be some side bets running among all of them being written about :)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Bankroll £509.66 and pts for month to 514

    Nice to bang a win in, barely £6 in session one this eve to stop the rot, then made it up to 4BI for the day after session 2 in spite of some bad spots and one bluff gone bad.

    I can't recall picking up aces once tonight and KK was going through a cursed period of running into mid sets / two pairs / flushed boards I had to fold and then what I assumed could easily be a good full house turned out to be losing a stack to quad aces.

    I had a few lucky spots with raggier hands though, including a poorly timed/judged BvB bluff against a reg that happened to river a straight that got a pot bet paid off by a very confused opponent.

    Baggpuss the legend

    Without question the most enjoyable person to play at this level, at times seems utterly bonkers and, being out of position to him tonight, completely horrific to read.

    So much more fun than playing the passive or nitty players that make up most of the level though and deserves all the pots he gets me to mug myself off with!

    Not sure if this failed attempt will post... may be a blank here if it fails and I delete it... proof that I should stick to being a nit :)
  • freshfish1freshfish1 Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2014
    Ty bud:) hopefully will do, you'll have to read "to be a fresh fish or not?" To find out:)

    Baguss os awesome, he/she is quite chatty but on top of being pretty loose and aggro they seem to put any passove fish on monkey tilt and they start adding hands like 73o to their repertoire and call all ins with bottom pair. Juicy!
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited April 2014
    Baggpuss is a legend, and defo the funnest player at 10nl:)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited April 2014
    Bankroll £518 pts for month 608

    Two 1 1/2 hour or so sessions either side of dinner, small wins each time, can't grumble.

    Beautifully managed to run two pair into a royal flush today and was grateful oppo didn't have a full stack at the time. I thought these were meant to be rare, but have seen like 7 or 8 now in the last 18 months and I don't exactly put in crazy volume!

    At this rate I may be able to easily knock up the 1,000 pt months (as proxy for playing a half decent volume). Would be good to get my name in the iPad draw and hope to get lucky!

    Be careful what you wish for

    After not getting dealt aces at all yesterday, the first time I pick them up today I get cracked by the mighty 83 binking trips on the river.

    The KK curse seemed to be ongoing as well, although thankfully it worked in my favour today as a set of jacks reeled in the cash.

    Just for the full set of premiums, the first hand I sat down at the second session this evening I got dealt QQ in the BB, raise, 40BB shove from a shorty and obv done for by... KK... curse over. Welcome to the table me :)

    Where to head next for learning...

    I continue to get in such a muddle with AK/AQ and to a lesser extent KQ/AJ. Will head off to flick through old Poker Player mags before bed to see if there are any articles that might prove a useful starting point.

    After that it'll be a search online and see what is thrown up.

    If anyone happens upon this post and has recommended vids/articles to view then please do share on here or via message!!
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