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Sky Poker Policies

BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
edited April 2014 in Poker Chat
We've all seen the kerfuffle around the skill an go competition. There are certainly one or two things I would like to see clarified:

1. In future, any such promotion should be investigated prior to winners or qualifiers being announced.

2. Sky Poker's policy towards collusion and any allegations of cheating should be given a prominent position on the website. It's only right that people know the procedures and what they need to do to report their suspicions, as well as the sanctions they may face if they are tempted.

3. Those sanctions, particularly where it involves promotions including large prize pools, should include the likelihood of evidence being handed to the police. There's no question that collusion is a crime and, while a £1 DYM may not be worth police time, a £5k competition prize would certainly merit it.


I have to admit to being disappointed that it required a particularly vigilant forum member to reveal his suspicions before the skill and go finalists were investigated. That can't be allowed to happen again. There are certainly other issues, though, and I think Sky need to either a) have a think about making their policies more robust or b) be absolutely clear and up-front about existing policies so that people like me may be reassured.


With that said, I'd like to reiterate that the Skill and Go promotion is an excellent idea and should be repeated. Preferably it would be made a constant presence, resetting fortnightly or so... but that's for another thread.


Any additional thoughts?
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  • ajs4385ajs4385 Member Posts: 455
    edited April 2014
    skill and go is a poor promotion

    1) Anyone with a bit of common sense could see there would be collusion to boost roi

    2) Winners don't need further reward, they have had their reward by winning. The people in poker who need extra reward are people who spend money on poker.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    skill and go is a poor promotion 1) Anyone with a bit of common sense could see there would be collusion to boost roi 2) Winners don't need further reward, they have had their reward by winning. The people in poker who need extra reward are people who spend money on poker.
    Posted by ajs4385
    Cant take this post seriously.

    SnG promo is one of skys best yet.

    I'm assuming you have a gripe as you are not a winning player.

    Anyway.  That is clearly not the point of the thread.  Start another one if you want to start the debate on the pro's and con's of this promo.  I guarentee you'l be outnumbered though.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited April 2014

    I'm confused.

    DTM reported his suspicions correctly to CC?

    Nothing was done.

    He then did it on the forum?

    Something was done.

    Doesn't inspire confidence in the system.

    I've stopped reporting suspicious behaviour, even self confessed multi accounters (cheats) because nothing appears to get done.

    If I then post these suspicions on the forum (without naming names) my posts are deleted and I'm sent a PM warning me not to do it again.

    Yet DTM is applauded (rightly so imo)

    Inconsistencies?  Double standards?

    Explanation plz?

  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    I'm confused. DTM reported his suspicions correctly to CC? Nothing was done. He then did it on the forum? Something was done. Doesn't inspire confidence in the system. I've stopped reporting suspicious behaviour, even self confessed multi accounters (cheats) because nothing appears to get done. If I then post these suspicions on the forum (without naming names) my posts are deleted and I'm sent a PM warning me not to do it again. Yet DTM is applauded (rightly so imo) Inconsistencies?  Double standards? Explanation plz?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    just take a leaf out of dtms book, if sky arnt playing ball by doing anything then you dont play ball with forum rules and  start naming and shaming the scumbags
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : just take a leaf out of dtms book, if sky arnt playing ball by doing anything then you dont play ball with forum rules and  start naming and shaming the scumbags
    Posted by THEROCK573
    It'd be deleted (and I'd be banned) within minutes.

    That's why I'm confused about the rules and looking for some clarification. Hopefully will get some.
  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    skill and go is a poor promotion 1) Anyone with a bit of common sense could see there would be collusion to boost roi 2) Winners don't need further reward, they have had their reward by winning. The people in poker who need extra reward are people who spend money on poker.
    Posted by ajs4385

    why are you so bitter towards no cash players?? because you cant make money in MTT.s or SnG's??

    i dont play SnG's but i can appreciate a good promotion, surely this promotion has drawn attention on the colluders and got rid of them from the site so thats a goint point about the promotion in my opinion. 

    it is the first time they have run it and im sure they can tweak it to make it even more succesful next time.
  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : It'd be deleted (and I'd be banned) within minutes. That's why I'm confused about the rules and looking for some clarification. Hopefully will get some.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    p.m me there names then and il name and shame them
  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : why are you so bitter towards no cash players?? because you cant make money in MTT.s or SnG's?? i dont play SnG's but i can appreciate a good promotion, surely this promotion has drawn attention on the colluders and got rid of them from the site so thats a goint point about the promotion in my opinion.  it is the first time they have run it and im sure they can tweak it to make it even more succesful next time.
    Posted by jordz16
    because while people are playing mtts and sngs he has no ones wages to take.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    skill and go is a poor promotion 1) Anyone with a bit of common sense could see there would be collusion to boost roi 2) Winners don't need further reward, they have had their reward by winning. The people in poker who need extra reward are people who spend money on poker.
    Posted by ajs4385
    i played like 11 games and gave up but jesus this promo was the nuts. i hate sit and gos but it actually got sit n go players playing non-dym games, got mtt players and cash players playing stts. 

    That is the full point of a promo. 

    Yes colluding needs to be addressed and that kind of promo will encourage it. but seriously, that why sky have to keep a closer eye on these games during the promo. I said on the other thread that i was amazed all winners wherent checked before hand. 

    So win you (or anyone else) with a rake race promo, do you not get enough by just winning? 
  • ajs4385ajs4385 Member Posts: 455
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : Cant take this post seriously. SnG promo is one of skys best yet. I'm assuming you have a gripe as you are not a winning player. Anyway.  That is clearly not the point of the thread.  Start another one if you want to start the debate on the pro's and con's of this promo.  I guarentee you'l be outnumbered though.
    Posted by gazza127
    Its a pretty basic concept that a business is based on people spending money. I feel for you if you don't understand that.

    Poker is in decline because rewards are designed for winning players not losing ones. This is the biggest flaw in online poker.

    As for me being a winning player. If you don't think I am lets play HU, send me a pm and we will arrange a game.
  • ajs4385ajs4385 Member Posts: 455
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : why are you so bitter towards no cash players?? because you cant make money in MTT.s or SnG's?? i dont play SnG's but i can appreciate a good promotion, surely this promotion has drawn attention on the colluders and got rid of them from the site so thats a goint point about the promotion in my opinion.  it is the first time they have run it and im sure they can tweak it to make it even more succesful next time.
    Posted by jordz16
    Not bitter at all, who told you I am or did you just make it up?

    Every tournament I have ever played turns into an all in pre shove fest. You might as well play roulette.
     
    Again its a poor promotion as it rewards winning players. A business is based on people spending money. We need to see promotions that benefit players who spend money on poker.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : Its a pretty basic concept that a business is based on people spending money. I feel for you if you don't understand that. Poker is in decline because rewards are designed for winning players not losing ones. This is the biggest flaw in online poker. As for me being a winning player. If you don't think I am lets play HU, send me a pm and we will arrange a game.
    Posted by ajs4385
    Its a pretty basic concept that business is based on retaining a loyal customer base.  If promo's aren't run like this... one which has recieved rave reviews from the vast majority of the site as everyone is on a level playing field, then Sky would just alienate the recs and Sky would become a reg infested grindathon where people make their money from rake back and rake races instead of actually beating the games.

    Rec's are the reason reg's keep playing here.  As soon as the rec's go, so do the regs cause guess what... people don't tend to like playing people they have little edge over.  This promo gave everyone, good or bad, an opportunity to have a little heater and qualify for a great freeroll.  Yes the promo may need some tweaks but its almost there.  

    I think you are also missing the point that Sky make money if people win or lose... so how is rewarding good players worse than rewarding losing ones?  The promo is also promoting SnGs, a dead area of the site which can only be a good thing to get more games going long term and more £ for Sky.

    You also say poker is in decline?  Evidence please.

    So keep the rec's happy... and you keep the regs happy too.  There has to be a balance.  Not every promotion has to be a bloomin rake race.

    I feel for you if you don't understand that.

    And as for a HU game?... I'd rather just crush MTTs thanks.  I have no desire to play you, even if I do think you could be taken down a peg or five.

    Congratulations on derailing this thread.

    Have a pleasant day.
  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : Its a pretty basic concept that business is based on retaining a loyal customer base.  If promo's aren't run like this... one which has recieved rave reviews from the vast majority of the site as everyone is on a level playing field, then Sky would just alienate the recs and Sky would become a reg infested grindathon where people make their money from rake back and rake races instead of actually beating the games. Rec's are the reason reg's keep playing here.  As soon as the rec's go, so do the regs cause guess what... people don't tend to like playing people they have little edge over.  This promo gave everyone, good or bad, an opportunity to have a little heater and qualify for a great freeroll.  Yes the promo may need some tweaks but its almost there.   I think you are also missing the point that Sky make money if people win or lose... so how is rewarding good players worse than rewarding losing ones?  The promo is also promoting SnGs, a dead area of the site which can only be a good thing to get more games going long term and more £ for Sky. You also say poker is in decline?  Evidence please. So keep the rec's happy... and you keep the regs happy too.  There has to be a balance.  Not every promotion has to be a bloomin rake race. I feel for you if you don't understand that. And as for a HU game?... I'd rather just crush MTTs thanks.  I have no desire to play you, even if I do think you could be taken down a peg or five. Congratulations on derailing this thread. Have a pleasant day.
    Posted by gazza127

    Who keeps asking for rakeraces?

    Can pretty much gurantee they're a break even/losing player if they do


  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited April 2014
    Sample sizes AJS, sample sizes.

    The Skill and Go promo was over a 30 game min sample.  Over this sample size there is not much of an edge between a long term winner at the game to those with large loses over a much larger sample.  It's a sprint.  As a result long term winners, pros, recreational players and long term depositing players had only a negligible difference in chances of profiting from it.  That is why it attracted so many players to it.  So it had pretty much as much of a benefit to long term depositors as anyone else.  A similar regular promo on the Big Site has been running for years as it has blocks over an even short sample size.

    While the promo is skill based and rewards those who win, the course is a leveller to all.  And the fact the course is there encourages people to play, many many people had a run at it, the SnG player pool gets a boost and a lot of people got poker-tainment.

    As far as your comments on collusion, you have a good point this promo, as with all SnG based promos these days, are always at risk of collusion, so I can't disagree with you too much there.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : Every tournament I have ever played turns into an all in pre shove fest. You might as well play roulette.  
    Posted by ajs4385
    i wont doupt your a winning cash player, havent watched but heard enough.

    you say that you might as well play roulette because mtts have a lifespan, so why is it that over the past 4 years tommy has been top of the sharkscope leaderboard 3 times. Over a year sample. Is tommy just the luckiest guy on sky poker? I think not. 

    while it might not be a "fun" as sitting and waiting for the nuts, theres definately an edge to it, as many mtt regs prove time and time again. 
  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,706
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : i wont doupt your a winning cash player, havent watched but heard enough. you say that you might as well play roulette because mtts have a lifespan, so why is it that over the past 4 years tommy has been top of the sharkscope leaderboard 3 times. Over a year sample. Is tommy just the luckiest guy on sky poker? I think not.  while it might not be a "fun" as sitting and waiting for the nuts, theres definately an edge to it, as many mtt regs prove time and time again. 
    Posted by The_Don90
    Well, to be fair.... ;)
  • suzy666suzy666 Member Posts: 221
    edited April 2014

    so with evidence of collusion during the recent skill and go comp almost completely removed from the forum, I presume that players who were unfortunate to be a victim will not be refunded. Sky Vs Stars?

    i'd bet sky doesn't have the sophistication to find the AI hands vs those 2 players and refund the directly affected players as apposed to the whole table.

    I recall when I started playing cash, sky would 'hold' my winning for a while so someone could check for patterns of who I played with and that the hands in question made sense.
  • POKERTREVPOKERTREV Member Posts: 9,607
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    so with evidence of collusion during the recent skill and go comp almost completely removed from the forum, I presume that players who were unfortunate to be a victim will not be refunded. Sky Vs Stars? i'd bet sky doesn't have the sophistication to find the AI hands vs those 2 players and refund the directly affected players as apposed to the whole table. I recall when I started playing cash, sky would 'hold' my winning for a while so someone could check for patterns of who I played with and that the hands in question made sense.
    Posted by suzy666
    Non of your hands make sense suzy :) Just kidding.......couldn't resist lol
     
    I'm sure this will have some knock on effects/ramifications etc, but I think the easyest way would be to check your game history and if you have played any of the players involved, then put a complaint in to customer services with the details of your complaint and let them look into it & make a decision based on its individual merit.

    Best of luck 
  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies : i wont doupt your a winning cash player, havent watched but heard enough. you say that you might as well play roulette because mtts have a lifespan, so why is it that over the past 4 years tommy has been top of the sharkscope leaderboard 3 times. Over a year sample. Is tommy just the luckiest guy on sky poker? I think not.  while it might not be a "fun" as sitting and waiting for the nuts, theres definately an edge to it, as many mtt regs prove time and time again. 
    Posted by The_Don90
    No, that would be Mr Bates :)
  • EASYFIXEASYFIX Member Posts: 332
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: Sky Poker Policies:
    I'm confused. DTM reported his suspicions correctly to CC? Nothing was done. He then did it on the forum? Something was done. Doesn't inspire confidence in the system. I've stopped reporting suspicious behaviour, even self confessed multi accounters (cheats) because nothing appears to get done. If I then post these suspicions on the forum (without naming names) my posts are deleted and I'm sent a PM warning me not to do it again. Yet DTM is applauded (rightly so imo) Inconsistencies?  Double standards? Explanation plz?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    same here, have reported it and offered evidence.. still see the same player doing it and I ended up with the threat of a forum ban for a comment I made about  it


    just gives the impression if your a priority member its ok
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