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THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
edited April 2014 in Poker Chat
i have a style that works for me and is profitable in mtts, i use pokertracker 4 when im playing on other sites though and my stats on there concern me, i think im playing way to tight. my pre flop raise % is around the 15% mark and my 3bet % is only around the 8% mark, am i playing way to tight? you can get away with it and still make good profit but when you see some of the good regs on there with sick profit there pre flop raise % is around the 25% to 30% mark and they are 3 betting around 15% aswell.  also anyone who plays me often on here regularly do i come across to tight to you?
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  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited April 2014
    We talking 6-max or FR?

    8% 3-Bet is pretty balanced.

    15% PFR is pretty tight (For 6-max).



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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    mixture of 6 max and 9max
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited April 2014
    LAG's will always be bigger winners at poker than TAG's. However, there are far more winning players that are TAG's than LAG's because it is a much safer/easier style to play. If you have a style that works, then in general you want to stick with it. I class myself more as a LAG.. I'd estimate my PFR to be around the 25-30% mark although my 3bet is prob similar to that of a TAG.

    On sky I find you can raise a lot and get away with it but on other sites it's harder to do that and so playing LAG can be quite high variance and also un-necessary (eg. why get into a 3/4betting war with someone that's good on the table when you can win chips from the weaker players at the table) - so if I were to play on another site I might end up playing a more TAG style.

    9 max I guess 15% is probably fine.
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  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited April 2014

    Seems fine then. Standard TAG stats overall.

    Wouldn't worry about stats too much tbh. Who cares if your winning £££.

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  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited April 2014
    1 note I have on you:

    Folds the turn 110% of the time in my 3b pots unless he has quads.

    I think your a nit, and I'm a nit :)
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    1 note I have on you: Folds the turn 110% of the time in my 3b pots unless he has quads. I think your a nit, and I'm a nit :)
    Posted by RyanC7
    when is the note dated out of interest? i cant say ive tangled with u to much as of late apart from last weeks roller wen i was on mega tilt and u kept 3betting the sh** out of me in position.
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  • upaymenowupaymenow Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    And this is coming from a guy who shoves all in j3 off pre... ;) ivwouldntvsay you were too tight. Id say a bully lol 
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    And this is coming from a guy who shoves all in j3 off pre... ;) ivwouldntvsay you were too tight. Id say a bully lol 
    Posted by upaymenow
    i shove all in with j3? i highly doubt it unless it got folded round to me and i was short stacked or i was a big stack putting pressure on a short stack blind on blind or something, u sure u got the right person?
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  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats : when is the note dated out of interest? i cant say ive tangled with u to much as of late apart from last weeks roller wen i was on mega tilt and u kept 3betting the sh** out of me in position.
    Posted by THEROCK573
     I was messing mate. I think you are pretty tight tho. Nothing wrong with that? Least your not a spack like me pal




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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats :  I was messing mate. I think you are pretty tight tho. Nothing wrong with that? Least your not a spack like me pal
    Posted by RyanC7
    oh ok, u almost gave me a complex there haha
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  • upaymenowupaymenow Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats : oh ok, u almost gave me a complex there haha
    Posted by THEROCK573
    I was joking about the j3 but ta for the info ha1 ;)
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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited April 2014
    Based on your stats this is what you're playing:

    Pre flop 15.2%
    66+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo

    3bet 8.1%
    88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+

    I would say it really does come down to what style suits you.  If you're comfortable to be opening much wider then go for it.  I think somewhere around 20-24% pfr for 6max is fine with a 3bet % of around 12%.

    Other things to take a closer look at would be your cbet % and your fold to cbet %, 3bet %
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited April 2014
    Yeah i have you down as being pretty tight. but if its not broke dont fix it.

    I play way too loose in tournaments but it's the style thats done best for me so i have stuck with it, its always good to make slight changes to your game to make yourself a bit less predictable but no point doing anything drastic while you are making money.
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited April 2014
    I've always given you credit when you're at my table because I figure I don't want to be messing with a rock!!
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    Based on your stats this is what you're playing: Pre flop 15.2% 66+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo 3bet 8.1% 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ I would say it really does come down to what style suits you.  If you're comfortable to be opening much wider then go for it.  I think somewhere around 20-24% pfr for 6max is fine with a 3bet % of around 12%. Other things to take a closer look at would be your cbet % and your fold to cbet %, 3bet %
    Posted by DoubleAAA
    my cbet flop percentage is 76% and my fold to flop cbet is 58%
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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats : my cbet flop percentage is 76% and my fold to flop cbet is 58%
    Posted by THEROCK573
    With villain hitting the flop 35% your fold flop cbet% is a bit too high.  I'd look to not fold too easily on the flop, floating or raising slightly more. 

    Your cbet % is fine although check cbet success %.  Another thing to look for in correlation is your turn cbet%.  Example let's say your flop cbet % is 76% but your turn cbet% is ~25% this would make you a floaters dream as they'll call off your cbets and look to take the pot away from you on the turn 75% of the time.
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats : With villain hitting the flop 35% your fold flop cbet% is a bit too high.  I'd look to not fold too easily on the flop, floating or raising slightly more.  Your cbet % is fine although check cbet success %.  Another thing to look for in correlation is your turn cbet%.  Example let's say your flop cbet % is 76% but your turn cbet% is ~25% this would make you a floaters dream as they'll call off your cbets and look to take the pot away from you on the turn 75% of the time.
    Posted by DoubleAAA

    I've no idea about these percentages really so this is as much a query as anything but surely your fold to cbet should be quite a bit higher than 35% because they dont always have to hit flop to be ahead and playing the hand out of position is gonna be tricky on turn and river regardless if they've hit flop or not?!

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  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited April 2014

    C-bet stats seem fine given your PFR %

    I wouldn't recommend 3-betting 12% however unless your comfortable having a 5-bet bluff range.

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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats : I've no idea about these percentages really so this is as much a query as anything but surely your fold to cbet should be quite a bit higher than 35% because they dont always have to hit flop to be ahead and playing the hand out of position is gonna be tricky on turn and river regardless if they've hit flop or not?!
    Posted by jdsallstar
    Well tbh the fold to cbet % really depends on the 'bet sizes' that it faces and also there will be boards which hits villains range so hard that we always have to fold.  I did not say it should be 35%, I said that folding 58% was too high as they only hit the board 35% of the time. 

    Example, villain cbets 70% (50% hit, 50% bluff) and we fold 58%.  This means we're folding too often and villain can exploit us by cbetting far more often. 
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited April 2014
    In Response to Re: aggression stats:
    In Response to Re: aggression stats : Well tbh the fold to cbet % really depends on the 'bet sizes' that it faces and also there will be boards which hits villains range so hard that we always have to fold.  I did not say it should be 35%, I said that folding 58% was too high as they only hit the board 35% of the time.  Example, villain cbets 70% (50% hit, 50% bluff) and we fold 58%.  This means we're folding too often and villain can exploit us by cbetting far more often. 
    Posted by DoubleAAA

    Cheers DoubleAAA. 

    If we assume 1 in 16 of the hands is a pocket pair so 6% of his hands don't in theory need to hit the flop. 

    So 50% hits flop + 6% pocket pairs that don't need to hit = 56%. 

    Or is that just mathematical bs? lol 

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