Good post J. To be fair I mainly carried on after 50 or so games as I didn't think 66.27% was gonna be enough and didn't want to come 17th and get knocked out without trying to improve. Instead I have found these games far me interesting and keep my concentration levels up for the hour or so I play a night. You say you beat the epic donkey but I lost 4 in a row to what I thought was one and he was hitting all the miracle river cards. Sheeez I must be a mega epic donkey. I just need to be abit more patient perhaps.
i've won 19 hypers in a row and lost 14 on the spin too.
the variance is huge, and i wouldnt be surprised if someone posted an 80% winrate
to note, the VERY best players in the format, and ones who have made MILLIONS from the game have ITM rates of 52%. that's in hypers and on another site where the rake allows profit with smaller win rates, but it goes to show just how much luck is involved over the short span on a hyper turno HUSNG.
i really hope you lads carry on playing HUSNG's they are a great variant of the game.
i've posted some strategy in this thread that might help you guys:
Good post J. To be fair I mainly carried on after 50 or so games as I didn't think 66.27% was gonna be enough and didn't want to come 17th and get knocked out without trying to improve. Instead I have found these games far me interesting and keep my concentration levels up for the hour or so I play a night. You say you beat the epic donkey but I lost 4 in a row to what I thought was one and he was hitting all the miracle river cards. Sheeez I must be a mega epic donkey. I just need to be abit more patient perhaps. Posted by ALFIE123
Hi Alfie,
Don't take this as criticism, but why didn't you wait until, let's say the morning of the 31st and see what position you were in then? You will be mega gutted if 66.2% gets in now as that is what you had! But I guess it is very hard whether to know to stick or twist - especially if you are like me and don't know what a normal/good win rate is.
With reference to your donkey Alfie, I believe that this is kind of what I was saying in that I would be confident you did the right plays for the long term, but your donkey just got short term luck, whereas with my donkey I made the right plays and the cards just stuck/fell right. This is kinda what I meant by the best players getting unlucky and a fish getting lucky - imagine if your guy had played you 20 times and continued to run like that, he would be in with a shot of this as that can happen over 50 games (which is why i think it should have been 100 absolute minimum, but too late now to change it - I also shouldn't complain as i'm sure my % would go down if I was forced to carry on).
Alfie, how many games of hu do you think you could play an hour, and at what in the money (ITM) %? - I am trying to do some calculations as to whether overall money would be more or less than DYM's, when you take into consideration that I can play 12 DYM's at the same time and thus earns me more C4P? - BUT, hu games take longer... I think I could only play 2 hu games at the same time though.
I would like to state though, that even though there is £5000 to play for, I have found myself waiting for a game of heads up for a looooooong time in the lobby, where is the traffic?
Also, admin guys, I played my games last night but my name isn't near the leaderboards? Are we due an update or has something gone wrong?
Thank you for that, I have also done some research and seen that the boys from 2 months 2 million are all trainers on deucescracked and then there is another website called husng i think, but both are subscription sites and not free.
So 19 in a row is your record? Can anyone beat that?
Teddy, do you think it is at all possible to get 45+ or higher in a 50 game sample?
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Cup : Hi Alfie, Don't take this as criticism, but why didn't you wait until, let's say the morning of the 31st and see what position you were in then? You will be mega gutted if 66.2% gets in now as that is what you had! But I guess it is very hard whether to know to stick or twist - especially if you are like me and don't know what a normal/good win rate is. Alfie, how many games of hu do you think you could play an hour, and at what in the money (ITM) %? - I am trying to do some calculations as to whether overall money would be more or less than DYM's, when you take into consideration that I can play 12 DYM's at the same time and thus earns me more C4P? - BUT, hu games take longer... I think I could only play 2 hu games at the same time though. I would like to state though, that even though there is £5000 to play for, I have found myself waiting for a game of heads up for a looooooong time in the lobby, where is the traffic? J x Posted by Jacquelyn
The waiting time is the big problem when trying to calculate win rates playing HU.
It's not uncommon to wait 30 minutes+ even at peak time for a £10.50 turbo/speed game.
You've experienced long waits even during a month where a lot more players than usual are playing the HU games, imagine it on a normal month. The much discussed rake here is almost double what it is elsewhere, which is a big contributing factor.
I think the action at £5.25 and below is reasonable though, as long as you're playing a turbo/speed/hyper format as opposed to the snoozefest 'regular speed' games, if 2 tabling I think you'd be able to get around 12-15 games an hour.
ROIs will vary from a max of 2/3% @ hypers up to a max of maybe 10/11% at micro stakes speed/turbo games.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Cup : The waiting time is the big problem when trying to calculate win rates playing HU. It's not uncommon to wait 30 minutes+ even at peak time for a £10.50 turbo/speed game. You've experienced long waits even during a month where a lot more players than usual are playing the HU games, imagine it on a normal month. The much discussed rake here is almost double what it is elsewhere, which is a big contributing factor. I think the action at £5.25 and below is reasonable though, as long as you're playing a turbo/speed/hyper format as opposed to the snoozefest 'regular speed' games, if 2 tabling I think you'd be able to get around 12-15 games an hour. ROIs will vary from a max of 2/3% @ hypers up to a max of maybe 10/11% at micro stakes speed/turbo games. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Thank you Dohhhhh (enough h's?!),
In essence then, DYM is still the best sit n go game to play at Skypoker as it has good traffic and easier opponents!
Branching away a little bit then - why is Skypoker's rake higher than other sites? - Why doesn't it have it the same and thus they would have more customers and more traffic?
Hi J. The reason i carried on playing as i was playing well and wanted to increase my % to above 68% but just as my sports betting is i started chasing my losses then it carried on from there. With £ 10.00 DYM i play 4 tables at a time and only play a max of 8 games a night. In the same time at the mo i am playing 2 tables of Turbo and Speed together. (Dont ask me why) and playing about 12 - 15 games in the same time. To be fair i only earn about £ 16.00 per month in C4P. As you can see its not about the money just the enjoyment. As Dohhhhhh says i am finding the tables are pretty constant at £ 5.00 Turbo and Speed HU and hopefully will stay like this after the promo.
I dont really care about Rakeback as i enjoy Sky Poker far more than the 3 other sites i have prevoiusly played so the amount of games i play this isnt a major factor to me.
It seems extremely suspicious that 1 guy has got himself back into the top 16 with an 11 game winning streak against the same player (this opponent has played no-one else in this promotion)
This coming after a 19/21 winning streak (inc. 12 in a row) vs a different player earlier on in the promotion. The guy he played on that streak is a long term winner at HU, whereas the guy in question, errr, isn't.
Are any suspicious games investigated immediately, it would be nice for everyones games to be investigated asap so we all roughly how the leaderboard is shaping up without the clear cheaters. For example i'm expecting to be on the cut/off or within a few places if i risk my winrate because a colluder is above me then they get taken out of the 16 post the conclusion of the promo and i get overtaken by someone with a winrate lower than my initial winrate before i risked it. I hope that makes sense not got alot of sleep..
It seems extremely suspicious that 1 guy has got himself back into the top 16 with an 11 game winning streak against the same player (this opponent has played no-one else in this promotion) This coming after a 19/21 winning streak (inc. 12 in a row) vs a different player earlier on in the promotion. The guy he played on that streak is a long term winner at HU, whereas the guy in question, errr, isn't. Posted by goldnballz
I'm sure any streaks like this will come under intense scrutiny before the top 16 is finalised.
It's reassuring in my opinion that a player was removed by Sky as early as a week ago. Neither he nor the well-known opponent against whom he had his 36/36 winning streak in £5.25 games have played on the site since, a sign that firm action is being taken where necessary.
Are any suspicious games investigated immediately, it would be nice for everyones games to be investigated asap so we all roughly how the leaderboard is shaping up without the clear cheaters. For example i'm expecting to be on the cut/off or within a few places if i risk my winrate because a colluder is above me then they get taken out of the 16 post the conclusion of the promo and i get overtaken by someone with a winrate lower than my initial winrate before i risked it. I hope that makes sense not got alot of sleep.. Posted by benc
Yeah that's fair - you will want to know where you stand before you decide to risk and attempt to improve your %.
I have been analysing some of the players in the leaderboard as I have a sharkscope subscription meaning i can see most played opponents and how often they beat them etc etc (its only open to subscribers).
To be honest most players look like they got in fairly, there is one up there that I am personally suspicious of, and it's not the leader.
From what I can see with Nosebleeds stats this guy is a decent overall player who then ran really well in the promo against numerous players - pretty insane win rate, but IMO a fair one, which shows that 78% is possible over such a small sample.
With the guy that played me towards the end of my 50 games, his stats are locked, so I have no info on him - I can only assume they are locked because he has lost a lot as he wasn't very good!
If anyone wants me to scope things for them or if they want to share concerns, just PM me.
Just finished my last game...........gonna stick with what I have got and hope it is enough!!!
I echo what others have said regarding stamping out collusion. Somebody having 11 game winning streaks against the same oppo really needs looking into. Yes it is possible but highly unlikely. Just hope sky look into situations like this and check each game accordingly.
Looks like it is going to be a VERY tight finish and best of luck to all!
A quick way of looking into anything suspicious is filtering the games from the start of the promo then clicking most frequent opponents, then just reporting anything suspicious to customer care. It's defo feasible you can heater vs someone over bunch of games, just with alot riding on this promo i think sky need to be extra vigilant and really dissect the games and pick up on anything irregular which i'm sure they are doing or planning to do very soon.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Cup : I would think not all stats are locked for this reason. I'm sure your run against this guy will be scrutinized by Sky for irregularities ...as should all the others. Posted by Redempt
Yeah I hope it does as I have nothing to hide, although I beat him a lot he did also beat me a couple of times. Sky also knows that I have played thousands upon thousands of games on their site too, I would like to think that they know a daily grinder from a 50 game newbie who has won nearly all 50.
For me, these are the more suspicious accounts - the ones that have only played 50 games in their sky poker careers - ie they have opened an account, and only played 50 games of heads up, and somehow won nearly all of them... if you look closely there are a couple of these accounts on the leaderboard and also a couple in the "best of the rest" leaderboard.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Cup : Yeah I hope it does as I have nothing to hide, although I beat him a lot he did also beat me a couple of times. Sky also knows that I have played thousands upon thousands of games on their site too, I would like to think that they know a daily grinder from a 50 game newbie who has won nearly all 50. For me, these are the more suspicious accounts - the ones that have only played 50 games in their sky poker careers - ie they have opened an account, and only played 50 games of heads up, and somehow won nearly all of them... if you look closely there are a couple of these accounts on the leaderboard and also a couple in the "best of the rest" leaderboard. Posted by Jacquelyn
If you suspect anyone, then just contact sky poker & let them know. Thats what I did, & glad to see that the guy in question has been removed from the leaderboard.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Cup : If you suspect anyone, then just contact sky poker & let them know. Thats what I did, & glad to see that the guy in question has been removed from the leaderboard. Posted by goldnballz
Have let the right people know, but their names are still there at the moment of writing
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Cup : Have let the right people know, but their names are still there at the moment of writing Posted by Jacquelyn
I would imagine that for a 20k promotion the checks are gonna be pretty thorough.
If someone was to say have a rediculous run of fortune against 1 player and that player hadnt played anyone else in the promo and that players statistics where blocked then I guess that would set alarm bells off.
Id like to add that I would guess skys data to be far more detailed than what a certain on line poker database contains.
Great Promotion by the way, I will deffo be doing the next one.
I think this a great promo and they will always be people trying to spoil it for others but i`m sure sky will keep on top of things but I don`t see any harm of others if have suspicions forward to sky just to be on safe side and make the right people dont lose out
One last thing I hope sky do this kinda thing in future maybe even instead of hu sngs possibly top 16 in 6max sng`s or mtts just for change but still do the hu knockout stage. Only ideas though and defo not saying it need changes just other ideas to use in future .
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Good post J.
To be fair I mainly carried on after 50 or so games as I didn't think 66.27% was gonna be enough and didn't want to come 17th and get knocked out without trying to improve. Instead I have found these games far me interesting and keep my concentration levels up for the hour or so I play a night.
You say you beat the epic donkey but I lost 4 in a row to what I thought was one and he was hitting all the miracle river cards. Sheeez I must be a mega epic donkey. I just need to be abit more patient perhaps.
the variance is huge, and i wouldnt be surprised if someone posted an 80% winrate
to note, the VERY best players in the format, and ones who have made MILLIONS from the game have ITM rates of 52%. that's in hypers and on another site where the rake allows profit with smaller win rates, but it goes to show just how much luck is involved over the short span on a hyper turno HUSNG.
i really hope you lads carry on playing HUSNG's they are a great variant of the game.
i've posted some strategy in this thread that might help you guys:
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a2e4f51cb-c64c-449f-a843-8db9c5fe7283Forum%3a596e7081-fff1-4103-8428-5d4d19736b09Discussion%3a214221db-3b07-41df-a2b3-d909c6821814&plckCurrentPage=0
It's not uncommon to wait 30 minutes+ even at peak time for a £10.50 turbo/speed game.
You've experienced long waits even during a month where a lot more players than usual are playing the HU games, imagine it on a normal month. The much discussed rake here is almost double what it is elsewhere, which is a big contributing factor.
I think the action at £5.25 and below is reasonable though, as long as you're playing a turbo/speed/hyper format as opposed to the snoozefest 'regular speed' games, if 2 tabling I think you'd be able to get around 12-15 games an hour.
ROIs will vary from a max of 2/3% @ hypers up to a max of maybe 10/11% at micro stakes speed/turbo games.
The reason i carried on playing as i was playing well and wanted to increase my % to above 68% but just as my sports betting is i started chasing my losses then it carried on from there.
With £ 10.00 DYM i play 4 tables at a time and only play a max of 8 games a night.
In the same time at the mo i am playing 2 tables of Turbo and Speed together. (Dont ask me why) and playing about 12 - 15 games in the same time. To be fair i only earn about £ 16.00 per month in C4P. As you can see its not about the money just the enjoyment.
As Dohhhhhh says i am finding the tables are pretty constant at £ 5.00 Turbo and Speed HU and hopefully will stay like this after the promo.
I dont really care about Rakeback as i enjoy Sky Poker far more than the 3 other sites i have prevoiusly played so the amount of games i play this isnt a major factor to me.
It's reassuring in my opinion that a player was removed by Sky as early as a week ago. Neither he nor the well-known opponent against whom he had his 36/36 winning streak in £5.25 games have played on the site since, a sign that firm action is being taken where necessary.
Some amazing results in this and looks like it's all set up for a photo finish in the last couple of days!
Fantastic promo sky, and would be great to see something like this running again in the future to promote HU games on the site.
I echo what others have said regarding stamping out collusion. Somebody having 11 game winning streaks against the same oppo really needs looking into. Yes it is possible but highly unlikely. Just hope sky look into situations like this and check each game accordingly.
Looks like it is going to be a VERY tight finish and best of luck to all!
I would imagine that for a 20k promotion the checks are gonna be pretty thorough.